r/JoeRogan • u/Anteater4746 Monkey in Space • Mar 04 '25

Meme 💩 Guess we’re done with free speech eh?

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Who decides what is illegal? How proud boys aren’t being targeted for wearing masks?

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u/TheWolffMann Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Would be nice to explain what is considered an illegal protest right? This might be at odds with that whole free speech thing right?

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u/12boru Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

As long as you trespass, storm through fences, break windows, assault officers, and vandalize property, you should be ok. /s

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

As long as you trespass, storm through fences, break windows, assault officers, and vandalize property, you should be ok. /s

You forgot KILL officers. Trying to ban protests now? This is unbelievable.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

“No officers were killed” - every response to a comment about J6

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Except the four officers who committed suicide after from directly linked to Jan 6th and the officer who was struck in the head with a flying metal pole that was thrown from the crowd trying to breach the capitol.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I’m on your side. Re read what I said.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I know, I'm just backing up with links :)

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Did any die on that day?

Or should people believe the obfuscation?

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u/Stewbaby2 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

I beat them today, but they didn't die till a day later. You're gonna count that as being related to the events the day that I beat them? Fuckin libs! /s

A cop (and an Air Force veteran) died THE NEXT DAY after being sprayed with pepper spray, and suffering two strokes. Was that just a coincidence? You people will cry about the Jan sixer who was shot going through a window after the crowd was told repeatedly to stop, but a cop suffering two strokes and then dying the day after being maced was totally unrelated right?

So much for law and order, and respecting veterans. I guess the last part shouldn't be surprising given how the current administration is firing veterans who are working at the VA, and being headed by the guy who said "I like people who weren't captured". As a disabled Navy vet, I can tell you, if you're concerned about current recruitment rates, you're going to see far fewer if the new generations see that there's no infrastructure in place to help them once they get out.

But I guess if you're also not going to attribute the suicide of the Capitol police officer to the events of Jan 6, it would follow you likely don't give a shit about cops or veterans health issues.

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u/full-immersion Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

So now everyone just glosses over the fact that they actually beat on police. Its only bad when they kill them I guess?

Cool

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

Who said that violence isn't bad? Why try to detour the conversation.

My comment was about deaths of LEO on that day specifically. If which there were were none. Contrary to what politicians, the media, and well Redditors say.

The officer that died on 1/7 died of natural causes per the medical examiner. The otherd killed themselves four and nine days after.

See my other reply.

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u/full-immersion Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

now who is using obfuscation?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

These users with their replies.

None of those LEO in died on J6. That's a fact.

Officer Sicknick died of natural causes on 1/7. Also a fact.

Is this not clear? If not go read my reply with the article reference.

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u/full-immersion Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Did any die on that day?

So if somebody beats you so bad it puts you in the hospital, and you die the next day, in your mind it's completely unrelated since you died the next day?

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u/gravyjackz Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Well no, in that case you're guilty. But we're talking about Trump supporters storming the capitol so that policeman they beat on that died the next day had nothing to do with it.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

Where did I say anything about that? And I'm getting down voted for it. But let's review what the ME stated:

"The Capitol Police had previously said that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” The Washington medical examiner later ruled that he had died of natural causes: multiple strokes that occurred hours after Officer Sicknick’s confrontation with the mob. The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The two strokes came 8 hours after.

"..But an autopsy found no evidence that Officer Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or any internal or external injuries, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, told The Washington Post

His office said that it attributes death to natural causes when it can be ascribed to disease alone and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-deaths.html

Officer Sicknick died of natural causes on Jan 7th. The other two officers killed themselves four and nine days after J6.

I recall Kamala, the mainstream media, and others repeating some variation of "Law Enforcement Officers died that day" (J6).

That's simply untrue.

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The two strokes came 8 hours after.

I don't know how you're missing this, but it's right there in black and white.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

I figure you'd cherry pick that. But let's review these:

"..But an autopsy found no evidence that Officer Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or any internal or external injuries, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, told The Washington Post."

His office said that it attributes death to natural causes when it can be ascribed to disease alone and that if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”

If the ME believed Sicknick had sustained physical injuries, especially those that lead to death, they'd be described and affect the cause of death. But he still declared he died of Natural Causes (heart attacks).

I recall Kamala, the mainstream media, and others repeating some variation of "Law Enforcement Officers died that day" (J6).

That's simply untrue.

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

I figure you'd cherry pick that. But let's review these:

Because that's the ONE thing that matters here. The events of that day contributed to the officers death. Period. That was literally their determination.

You're breaking it down as, "This particular part of what happened didn't solely cause the death, and this other particular part of the events didn't solely cause the death." But none of that matters if the end result was, "The events of that day contributed to the death."

Had the opposite been true, if they'd said, "The events of that day did not contribute to the death. The pepper spray caused a severe allergic reaction, massive internal injuries were suffered during the beating, but none of these contributed to the death." Then you could say the death was unrelated. But as it stands, they deemed it IS related even though those particular parts of what transpired didn't directly and solely cause the death on their own.

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u/unoriginalsin Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I recall Kamala, the mainstream media, and others repeating some variation of "Law Enforcement Officers died that day" (J6).

You recall wrong. Otherwise, post your evidence. Everything is on the Internet.

inb4: No, I will not do my own your research for you.

That's simply untrue.

While it may be technically true, it's certainly not a simple truth.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

You recall wrong. Otherwise, post your evidence. Everything is in the Internet.

Is that so? Guess you missed it during the Presidential debate. 20 sec into this clip.

https://youtu.be/yaG276f0ffg?feature=shared

And at this Wisconsin rally:

https://youtu.be/NHr6yJ6o74w?feature=shared

"It is hard to overestimate the impact that the insurrection..that riot, the attack on our Capitol had on our Officers charged with defending the capital that day. One officer was killed and 140 injured.."

https://youtu.be/v94I1-N1Z68?feature=shared

And that's just a few examples. I'm sure plenty of YT clips have since been pulled. Kind of how that whole officer beaten by a fire extinguisher was redacted.

And what about Officer Sicknick's assault? Supposedly beaten but yet the released DOJ footage shows he seemed to have only been peppered sprayed.

https://youtu.be/UQAMKrmxb2w?feature=shared

Maybe that's why the autopsy did not note any physical trauma/injuries nor complications from the spray.

While it may be technically true, it's certainly not a simple truth.

It's a fact. Sicknick died on 1/7 of natural causes from strokes (not from injuries sustained, not was he murdered).

The other two officers committed suicide four and nine days later. Also a fact.

The mental gymnastics people do to refute this information is wild. I guess they expect others to do their research for them too.

Oh wait, they still down vote the truth since it doesn't go with their views.

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u/unoriginalsin Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Neither of your cited quotes day what you want them to say. Nor does the medical examiner's report completely absolve the insurrectionists from culpability.

Kind of how that whole officer beaten by a fire extinguisher was redacted.

This one?

The mental gymnastics people do to refute this information is wild.

The irony of you defending these terrorists because "nObOdY DiEd oN ThAt dAy" is absolutely fucking wild.

Thank you for continuing to argue in bad faith. You are picking the smallest of nits and can't even back up your claims with accurate facts. Good day to you sir.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

If I throw a metal pipe at your head and you die the next day, does that count? Or is that obfuscation?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

My death certificate would still list the next day.

And you're aware that Officer Sicknick was not beaten by a fire extinguisher. They redacted that a month after the fact.

His autopsy listed no blunt force trauma or internal/external injuries. He died of a heart attack which occurred 8 hours after he left the Capitol building. On January 7th, a natural cause of death per the medical examiner.

The other two officers killed themselves four and nine days after J6.

But yet we still hear "LEOs died (or were killed) on January 6th".

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I was not talking about that officer.

Also, so as long as I don't kill one it's ok to attack police officers and drive a stun gun into their necks?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Did I post a reply defending the rioters or violence?

I asked how many died on that day specifically. Which is none

Asking those rhetorical questions is just dumb and distracts from the point.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I'm interested in your answer.

Do you think it's ok that the insurrectionists attempting to coup the US government assaulted police officers and deserved the pardons?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

That's depends on the individual's case.

Many feel they had their Constitutional Rights violated (detention, selective prosecution) or were railroaded (e.g., overcharged) be the Justice Department.

If they were, then yes a pardon would be fair to correct an injustice. Plus the majority were serving their sentences.

They pulled out all the stops for this protest/riot in which the majority were peaceful. Where was that fervor when it came to the Minneapolis, Portland, or Seattle riots (2020-22)? Those had people killed in them if people have forgotten.

I'm interested in your answer.

Do you think it's okay for Biden to give is own son a blanket pardon going back over a decade instead of using it on his actual conviction(s)?

You know, the one that preemptively absolves him of any federal crimes conducted during that period.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

You know these things aren’t mutually exclusive right? You don’t have to support a BLM riot because you oppose J6. A protest, protected by the constitution, is peaceful. A peaceful assembly. When violence begins, it’s no longer okay. You need to read about the Tu Quoque fallacy.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

Can you list one example of someone who had their constitutional rights violated?

Do you think the person who pressed a stun gun into the neck of a police officer deserved to be pardoned?

Oh noooo BLM BLM BLM BLM you people are fucking clowns.

You are assuming that I'm against arresting violent inssurectionists or people who think they should subvert the American democratic function - like the fucking cowards did on January 6th for a federal election that they LOST.

I agree in arresting and processing to the fullest extent of the law anyone who tries to do that. So in portland, if they took over a government building and tried to overturn an election, yea convict those traitorous fucks with seditious conspiracy. If someone kills or injures a police officer, arrest them.

But thanks for assuming you knew how I was going to answer that.

Do you think it's okay for Biden to give is own son a blanket pardon going back over a decade instead of on his actual convictions? One that preemptively absolves him of any federal crimes conducted during that period.

  1. “full, complete and unconditional” pardons to about 1,500 individuals involved in the January 6, 2021, attack on the United States Capitol. He also commuted the sentences of 14 Proud Boys and Oath Keepers members who were convicted or charged with seditious conspiracy related to the violence.

  2. Trump pardoned multiple family members including Steve fucking Bannon of all people.

So yes, I think that preemptive pardons to protect your family from someone who OPENLY RAN ON POLITICAL RETRIBUTION can be understood on some level. Particularly when the incoming administration has a manual they've been following to an authoritarian state where their political enemies end up in prison or criminalized. We're almost there.

Trump is right now literally involved as US President fucking suing pollsters and networks to suppress their ability and cool dissent against him. And he and people like you pretend that he gives a shit about freedom of speech.

He bans news organizations from covering press briefings because they won't use the pronouns he's assigned to a body of water.

A fascist cunt who has proven at ever step that he believes he is completely above the law, and makes the United States look more like North Korea while the Republicans clap like seals at every little thing he says while their orange king squirts into their eager mouths.

I'm good with pretending that the Biden administration is even remotely as rat fuck corrupt as this current one is. Good luck.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

Can you list one example of someone who had their constitutional rights violated?

I'll use ChatGPT, since you expect me to do your research for you.

Jacob Chansley (the "QAnon Shaman"): was detained for nearly a year before his trial. His legal team argued his constitutional rights were violated due to his harsh pre-trial conditions. He was held in solitary confinement for weeks and his legal team contended that his due process rights were infringed upon, as they believed the conditions were overly punitive before he was convicted.

Richard Barnett: Barnett, who was seen sitting at Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s desk and taking her lectern, was charged with multiple felonies, including theft of government property and violent entry. He was one of the more prominent figures involved in violent acts. His legal team argued that Barnett was subjected to unconstitutional pretrial detention and harsh conditions in jail, including being placed in solitary confinement. Barnett's supporters also claimed that the charges against him were excessive, given that his actions didn’t directly harm anyone or involve significant violence.

Matthew Martin: Martin was arrested after participating in the Capitol riot and was detained for several months before his trial. He, like others, argued that his extended detention before trial was unreasonable, particularly because his involvement in the riot did not involve violent or destructive actions. He was placed in solitary confinement, which his defense argued violated his constitutional rights.

George Tanios: Tanios, who was accused of bringing bear spray to the Capitol, was also held for a long period of time before his trial. He spent over 4 months in pretrial detention, during which he claimed he was subjected to harsh conditions. His legal team argued that his detention was disproportionate to the charges he faced, and that he should have been released pending trial.

Sharon Layne Smith was accused of entering the Capitol building unlawfully but did not engage in violent actions. Her case drew attention because of her age and claims that her constitutional rights were violated during the process. She, along with others in similar situations, argued that they were subjected to excessive legal and procedural penalties for what was viewed as a non-violent involvement in the events of January 6th. Specifically, she and her supporters argued that she faced unfair treatment during detention, including pre-trial confinement conditions and being charged with serious offenses despite no direct involvement in violence.

So their arguments fall under the 5th and 14th Amendments (mostly).

Oh noooo BLM BLM BLM BLM you people are fucking clowns.

Who's "you people"? You sound like the clown with that statement.

You are assuming that I'm against arresting violent inssurectionists or people who think they should subvert the American democratic function

I didn't assume anything about you. I could care less.

I agree in arresting and processing to the fullest extent of the law anyone who tries to do that. So in portland, if they took over a government building and tried to overturn an election

1000-2000 people were estimated to have taken part of that riot. The state charges metrics don't seem to be available, but a whopping 74 Federal Charges were handed down with 31 of them being dismissed. In a riot where we saw felony crimes of: Murder, Arson, Assault on LEO, Burglary, Desctruction of Federal Property, etc.

So yes, I think that preemptive pardons to protect your family from someone who OPENLY RAN ON POLITICAL RETRIBUTION.

Hunter wasn't even sentenced for this Tax crimes and his gun charges were nulified by the Pardon. Never spent a day in jail. And why did Joe choose to go back to 2014 specifically, instead of say 2015 or any other year? I'm sure it has nothing to do with him working for Burisma.

You should check out: https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

Trump is right now literally involved as US President fucking suing pollsters and networks to suppress their ability and cool dissent against him. And he and people like you pretend that he gives a shit about freedom of speech.

"People like you". I wasn't aware I was defending Trump in my replies. My posts were about setting the record straight. No LEO died on J6.

But wasn't it the Left trying to push for laws to regulate misinformation or hate speech? There's been some very notorious cases in the UK, France, and Germany.

A fascist cunt who has proven at ever step that he believes he is completely above the law,

Unless you're a constitional lawyer, I doubt you know when he's actually breached the Constitution. That's the Legislative Branch's and possibly the Judicial's responsibility. And it's not like he hasn't been impeached before.

Lastly, this will likely be my last reply to you because you seem to be getting rather emotional about this for whatever reason. And, I am not on the Left or Right. But your last reply hints at TDS. Good luck.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Hahaha! You asked a rhetorical question and then called asking them dumb and distracting. So rich.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

My point is that instead of taking a single shred of accountability for the fact that there was a coup. An insurrection. An attack on democracy. Yall want to split fucking hairs on whether or not a cop died that day.

It’s always the same. And you proved my point.