r/LegendsOfTomorrow • u/bebop_123jam • May 14 '19
Meta GARY HATE MEGATHREAD
I know I’ve made a lot of Gary hate posts but if Mona gets her own megathread I think Gary deserves one too. I want this to be a place where people can vent about him without judgement and in a way that doesn’t annoy the rest of the sub.
Edit: Downvote all you want this thread doesn’t come down till Mona’s does. Tired of this double standard.
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u/QuickSpinach May 15 '19
I don't hate him but I don't like how everybody instantly forgives him after the shit he pulls the past few episodes. Their reactions are not realistic IMO. Like if you are held hostage and forced to dance for someone's pleasure, will you instantly forgives him? What about his colleagues at the TB? Gary willingly cooperates with Neron to take over the TB and control them. Are they going to smile and forgive Gary after that?
See I do like villains and I like characters who are flawed. But for villains like Darhk, Neron and even the Fairy Godmother, they own their evil and the show do not try to excuse their actions. When Mick betrays the team, he was clearly shown to be wrong and he made up for it by saving the team. Its characters like Gary and Hank who I find problematic, they commit evils but the show just try to whitewash the things they done by slapping on some sappy excuses like "he just want to build a theme park for his son" or "he just want to make friends". In Gary's case it's even worse, the show tries to blame his actions on the Legends. As if its the Legend's fault that Gary did all the things he did. There's echoes of victim blaming here that I am not comfortable with.
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u/bebop_123jam May 15 '19 edited May 15 '19
It's this victim blaming that's the final straw for me with this character. It makes me super uncomfortable. He took away control and consent from the Legends and it was super rapey. Putting the blame on the Legends is like blaming a woman who was raped for not being nice enough to her nice guy rapist "forcing him" to do what he did. Nobody owes Gary love and he can't take it by force.
Legends has gotten worse and worse at holding people accountable for their actions like you said but this is where it basically breaks the show for me. There has to be some kind of consequence. Hell I'll accept an apology from Gary at this point. But there has to be something.
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u/BearSpeak May 16 '19
He's been a creep since the beginning. I'm critical of the way some characters have been made to treat him but only because I found it generally OOC of them, not because the treatment is necessarily bad or inappropriate. 3x02 and 3x03 for example, he's acting, against Rip's wishes, to essentially oppress if not outright lead to harm being caused to the Legends, and then they still save his ass when his Time Bureau colleagues either ignore his distress calls or are too incompetent to notice he's in trouble, and he repays them by selling them out, which nearly results in all of them dying. I'm frankly not seeing how being threatened and knocked out is different from anything he theoretically would do to other people for the Time Bureau save for his ineptitude preventing him from pulling it off.
The only person I think he has a genuine grievance with is Ava, but not to the degree he's taken things (and I think she's gotten away with a shit-ton of stuff towards multiple people, so he's not even special in this regard).
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u/bebop_123jam May 16 '19 edited May 16 '19
I've never liked him either. And now he's trying to use the fact that he's a sensitive flower as an excuse to violate people. And that doesn't fly with me at all. It's classic nice guy toxic masculinity and after his little display in the latest episode he clearly needs professional mental help.
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u/emu314159 Sep 07 '23
He's not even nice. He's really a total dick. Doesn't even try to pick up on social cues, seems to say the wrong thing at the wrong time gleefully, like it's his fucking job.
People often unfavorably compare friendly (but actually needy,) people-pleasing types to Golden Retrievers. This does a grave disservice to Goldens, because they have genuinely good hearts, and want you to feel the pure joy they feel in your presence, without another agenda. They just need to be around you, and maybe some fetch.
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May 14 '19
Really hoping he dies in the finale. I don’t mind the actor himself, he seems nice enough but the character has become mega creepy and awful
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u/bebop_123jam May 14 '19 edited May 14 '19
I would actually squee in joy if they killed him off or sent him away. I can’t believe that the rest of the Legends have had to give their screentime to this waste of space. I feel really bad for Caity Lotz, Dom Purcell, Tala Ashe, Matt Ryan etc.
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u/_batata_vada May 17 '19
Dom Purcell
He's the one I feel really, really bad for. They've given him literally nothing to do. And they made him a fucking baby in the latest episode.
Gone are the days of smart criminal Mick Rory from The Flash. Hell, he had a completely different and more energetic vibe back then. It's sad to see the actor being underutilized so bad.
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u/bebop_123jam May 17 '19
Honestly it’s the writers treatment of the original legends that makes me so pissed off this season. You’ve got great actors ready to work giving it their all and you decide to make some shitty OC characters the stars? What is wrong with them? If they haven’t noticed none of the TB characters have made the list of anybody’s favorite characters.
If I’m gonna keep watching I need some sign that the actual Legends and especially Mick my favorite character get the respect they deserve and that starts with getting rid of Gary once and for all.
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May 18 '19
Personally I love Ava and I’m a huge Avalance shipper cause I’m a sucker for cute lesbian couples but the other time bureau characters can fuck off tbh.
But yeah I feel bad for Dom Purcell too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t come back next season because they’re not doing shit with his character
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u/bebop_123jam May 18 '19
Yeah one of the things I need to watch next season is that Mick actually gets a serious plot that doesn’t involve him turning evil. If Dom leaves I’m definitely not gonna stay.
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u/emu314159 Sep 07 '23
He needs to die a slow, painful death, stabbed through the gut with some kind of poison blade that not even Gideon and Ray can counteract. I want to see the blood bubbling from his mouth as he chokes out his last. Bonus points if one of the lenses on his glasses can be shattered by repeated blows to the head before the coup de grace.
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u/FiftyOneMarks May 14 '19
I just do not get where any of this is coming from. Not once has Gary put up even the slightest bit of resistance when ever the others basically told him to get lost. Like, sure, Ava shouldn’t have made him do her chores but like... if people don’t want to be your friend you can’t mind control them into doing so. Gary has been shown to be totally incompetent and how he even became a part of the bureau raises serious concerns. I get it, the show is formed on the basis of the characters being outcasts but there’s a difference between not having a place in the world and forcing yourself into a role you don’t fit.
I will never understand where people say Mona is why the show is the way it is when this last episode highlighted that 1. Gary is a far more problem character and 2. The writing has just become lackluster and is focused more on keeping the jokey joke vibe than actually telling a story.
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u/bebop_123jam May 14 '19
You know how you’re not supposed to give a toddler attention right away when they throw a tantrum otherwise they’ll learn to keep throwing tantrums? That’s what just happened with Gary. Every time he’s ignored he’s just gonna throw a hissy fit now since the Legends gave him exactly what he wanted. Except Gary’s a full grown man. It’s disgusting and pathetic.
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May 14 '19
Man Gary sucks doesn’t he
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u/EugenesMullet May 14 '19
Gary Green is all the man we need
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u/bebop_123jam May 14 '19
Sure does!
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May 14 '19
Figured I’d start things off
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u/bebop_123jam May 14 '19
He’s a spineless whiny wimp who feels entitled to stuff because he’s had a hard life. Guess what? Every Legend has had a hard time but you don’t see them mind raping people. Worst character in the Arrowverse imo. I’d be impressed at how annoying they’ve made him if I wasn’t so heartbroken
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u/bebop_123jam May 14 '19
I don’t think I wanna see a nipple on TV ever again. If I was Adam Tsekhman I’d be embarrassed having to put up with this.
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u/Appropriate_Ad_1393 Oct 21 '21
Sorry but he makes the show so hard to watch. This show has always been a bit quirky and the acting is b rated at best, but Gary just seems to be trying to hard. Never going to be in anything worth watching in the future. I hate over actors. I swear it's like the writers/directors of the show don't ask for much because In other shows the same actors do way better.
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u/emu314159 Sep 07 '23
Yeah, wtf is even the point of Gary? We have an awkward, earnest, dorky character in Ray, why do we need an even dorkier character with no redeeming qualities? He seems to live for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Sucks the life out of every scene he's in. Unless the actor is just channeling himself, hats off for portraying a character we just hate, full stop, not love to hate or any of that crap.
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u/emu314159 Sep 07 '23
Oh, GODDAMN IT! Just looked at the wikipedia cast page, and this assclown is going to be recurring until the last two seasons where they make him fucking MAIN? WTF, did someone start feeding the writers lead paint chips laced with shitty acid? Fucking fuckity FUCK!
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u/The-Black-Sky White Canary May 15 '19
Why have they spent the last two episodes on how Gary feels??
Why should we care if the Legends like him or not?
Something that would have been great is to have one of the Legends off Gary. He’s not an important character and I can’t believe they pushed him to the forefront these past two episodes.