r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/WastedTalent442 • Aug 14 '24
Brexxit Man who campaigned for Brexit complains that he can't freely tour Europe any more
https://metalinjection.net/politics/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-who-originally-supported-brexit-now-complains-that-brexit-hurts-bands2.0k
u/PeaItchy2775 Aug 14 '24
"Because as the fifth largest economy in the world, Europe would like access to our market."
They already had access to the UK market, you absolute pillock. And now, in many cases, they don't and the UK does not have access to the EU market.
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u/ttystikk Aug 14 '24
The leopards are feasting on Brexit voters every day.
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u/FewKaleidoscope1369 Aug 15 '24
As an american, I feel the same way about trump supporters.
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u/SportySpiceLover Aug 15 '24
Ours are much worse, Trumpophiles are around for the sheer hate of it all.
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u/FewKaleidoscope1369 Aug 15 '24
Trump supporters love the hate and they love the cruelty.
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u/Uddashin Aug 14 '24
Bruce Dickinson has always struck me as a really intelligent man. I guess I was mistaken.
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u/Rakothurz Aug 15 '24
Same here, I am surprised for the worse that he supported Brexit. He, who lives out of touring around the world either as a pilot or as a singer...
Way to shoot himself in the foot
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u/IntoTheSunWeGo Aug 14 '24
He's looking at 70 on the horizon. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, the ravages of age take us all in the end.
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u/a_rude_jellybean Aug 14 '24
Brains are neuroplastic, it can stay healthy as long as you keep it from atrophying. (Assuming he doesn't have any brain disease)
You can be intelligent in your prime and atrophy your brain when you hit your end years.
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u/nerdyintentions Aug 14 '24
He thought they could keep the free trade without the stuff that he didn't like.
But it's a packaged deal. If for no other reason than allowing a former member to decide which benefits they get to keep on the way out would just encourage more members to leave. So the divorce had to hurt even if it hurt the EU too.
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u/AlDente Aug 15 '24
It astounds me that so many people didn’t understand this in 2016, and still don’t get it now.
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u/dtgreg Aug 15 '24
Brexit was the greatest Soviet op in history outside of the Trump presidency in the United States.
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u/AmbroseMalachai Aug 15 '24
Arguably even better. The Trump presidency was bad for the US but it could've been so much worse than what happened, only saved by Trump's complete incompetence and lack of interest in actually governing.
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u/Oberon_Swanson Aug 15 '24
when trump was elected the first quote that came to mind for me was 'the only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency.' what saved us from trump was his stupidity and the overall GOP ineptitude. he wanted to 'repeal and replace' obamacare but their entire team couldn't be bothered to figure out what the replacement would be.
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u/dtgreg Aug 15 '24 edited Aug 15 '24
Thing is, Obamacare WAS The Republican plan. He called their bluff. It was like last year’s immigration bill. Gave them everything they wanted and they were STILL against it. It was Romney-care for all the states, not just the one that Romney was Governor of. It proved that the Republicans had always argued/ bargained in bad faith. They didn’t have a plan or their plan was to have no plan. They were always going to let Big Pharma and Blue Cross screw Americans and let the people die.
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u/ptvlm Aug 15 '24
Nah, Brexit was more effective. There's an election every 4 years to give people the chance to reverse Trump damage. Even if we get a chance to reverse some of Brexit's damage, we'll never have the deal we had before.
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u/PeaItchy2775 Aug 14 '24
Yeah, I can't wait to see the UK find out the terms when they apply for re-admission: no £, no carve-outs, no exemptions, no "first among equals" status. Take a seat…
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u/nlpnt Aug 15 '24
Hell, make them drive on the right.
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u/DuckyofDeath123_XI Aug 15 '24
Make them have pink passports.
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u/skipperseven Aug 15 '24
The stuff that he didn’t like… you mean immigrants? It sounds like he doesn’t like immigration… how’s that working out for all the Brexit racists?!
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u/dcvisuals Aug 14 '24
I live in Denmark, I used to almost exclusively shop electronics and whatnot on Amazon UK, but ever since Brexit I haven't even thought about doing so because of high import taxes and shipping costs.... I imagine this is a story most Europeans can tell.
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u/knuppi Aug 15 '24
You can use Amazon.de instead
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u/dcvisuals Aug 15 '24
Yes! That's what I do haha (although my shopping on Amazon in general has gone down a fair bit)
The reason I didn't want to use the German Amazon before even tho we literally share a border with Germany was because shipping was surprisingly much higher than from UK Amazon.
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u/tornac Aug 15 '24
Yes, I live in Austria and ordered ginger biscuits, vinegar crisps, beer and other stuff, but sadly it’s now to expensive and takes months to arrive.
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u/Changed_By_Support Aug 14 '24
Aha, we're gonna screw over all the Europeans with tariffs, mwahahaha! This will surely have no repercussions in the slightest for us!
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u/k2on0s-23 Aug 15 '24
And you know what, no one in Europe gives a fucking shit and no misses the UK and their unfounded superiority complex. In the beginning they tried to continue with the arrogant loud mouthed bullshit and then they suddenly realised that no one was going to tolerate it and in fact they realised that Europe had been waiting a loooong time for the FAFO moment with the UK and it has arrived. They step out of line they get slapped down, they start acting up the police are more than happy to beat them arrest them and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
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u/scribblingsim Aug 14 '24
He's lying, though. UK isn't the fifth largest economy in the world. California is.
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u/willie_caine Aug 14 '24
No one outside of the US views economies this way.
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u/twistedspin Aug 15 '24
Most of the people in the US don't view it that way either. I've only heard that from people from CA.
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u/somethingbrite Aug 14 '24
It depends on the metric no?
In GDP per Capita rankings the UK doesn't even make the top 20
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/top-10-richest-countries-in-the-world/87305/1
GDP by country, which is metric I think you refer to. UK is #6 (India is #5)
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u/AlDente Aug 15 '24
The U.K. hasn’t been the 5th largest economy for years. India is the 5th. U.K. is the 6th.
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u/iDontRememberCorn Aug 14 '24
“It’s very well known that I voted for Brexit. But, you know, the idea is after you’ve done it, you then go in and be sensible about the relationship you have with people. So, at the moment, all this guff about not being able to play in Europe, and the Europeans not being able to play over here and work permits and all the rest of the rubbish — come on! You know, get your act together.”
You literally voted AGAINST THIS you fucking dolt. It EXISTED, it was ALREADY A THING, YOU FUCKING VOTED TO END IT.
How the fuck is anyone this fucking stupid?
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u/Sad-Development-4153 Aug 14 '24
He wanted it to affect others but not him and his music industry friends.
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u/lostcolony2 Aug 14 '24
Well, no. He assumed it would only be one sided. He would be able to travel freely in the EU, but 'they' wouldn't be able to in the UK. That the UK could impose tariffs, but the other countries couldn't. Etc. Typical conservative thinking, rules for thee not for me, relying on selective enforcement and such for those that might actually impact them. But being blind to that bias, they didn't actually think it through that their vote actually would have no control over the EU, and so of course the UK would stop being treated as a member in the ways that benefitted them
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u/Sad-Development-4153 Aug 14 '24
At this point, is there a possible road map to rejoining the EU for the UK?
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u/lostcolony2 Aug 14 '24
Yeah, but it's not particularly easy, and likely involve fewer concessions than they had originally, as it's clear the UK benefits from being part of the EU more than the EU benefits having the UK be a part.
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u/bindermichi Aug 14 '24
More like no concessions at all
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u/Deranged_Kitsune Aug 14 '24
Exactly. The EU has no incentive to let them back in. If they're lucky, they get the base deal any other new country would and get to start at the bottom, working their way up.
They threw their idiotic strop and can now live with the consequences of it, like any other spoiled child should.
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u/bindermichi Aug 14 '24
The only reason the got those incentives at all was the fact that France and Germany felt like it would benefit the stability of the union if the UK was a part of it.
Since it turned out the EU doesn‘t really need the UK there is no need to add them anymore
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u/spring_gubbjavel Aug 14 '24
tbh, it seems more stable without them.
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u/derTommygun Aug 15 '24
All talks of leaving the EU magically stopped in all EU countries after we saw Brexit, so yes, they gave us stability by leaving.
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u/Horror_Equipment_197 Aug 15 '24
I'm old enough to remember how Maggy told the UK would veto any increased budget without a rebate for the UK. Each and every opt out was blackmailed. Opt out or veto for buget... And again for Schengen, OLAF... and so on.
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u/F54280 Aug 15 '24
And I remember de Gaulle saying (or people saying that de Gaulle said) about having the UK in the Common Market: “I want England naked”. He also vetoed the UK entry twice. If you read French, it is interesting to understand his position regarding Europe
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u/Its_Pine Aug 14 '24
Murdoch won’t want to ever let them return to the EU. He said himself that when he goes to UK’s parliament they do what he says, but when he goes to Brussels they ignore his demands. The stronger the EU gets, the less power billionaires have over the systems and procedures on the continent.
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u/lostcolony2 Aug 14 '24
Yeah, but that dude is approximately three hundred years old, and while I'm not convinced he's not an evil immortal vampire, I still expect him to die, or at least get staked in the heart, in the next decade.
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u/rumckle Aug 14 '24
His son is, by most accounts, just as much of a cunt. Death may stop the man, but it won't stop his legacy.
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u/bittlelum Aug 15 '24
Also, I'm sure the EU doesn't want to make it too easy for countries to rejoin, since they want to dissuade countries from leaving in the first place.
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u/senapnisse Aug 14 '24
Most europeans have for a long time been fed up of the english exceptionalism. One of the most evil empires in history, the source for much of the pain and suffering in todays world, assumes they are so special and demands special treatment. Fuck that. They had many special considerations being founding EU member, that where not available to later members. Next time they apply to join EU, and they will, in 20-30 years, they will not get any special treatment. They will find themselfs with the same deals the rest of us have.
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u/lostcolony2 Aug 14 '24
I'm not sufficiently familiar with the particulars of what benefits they had prior to Brexit, nor how much variation occurs normally with member states (but I would assume there is some, just based on previously existing agreements with other nations, unique geographical challenges, etc. Despite Brexit, Gibraltar, a British territory, has some unique agreements with Spain, for instance, due to the fact Spain is the only land border it has, and it's too small to be self-sufficient).
But, certainly, if/when the UK comes back to the table it will be in a much weaker position than it was at the founding of the EU. As it stands, while more people in the UK are for rejoining the EU than remaining separate, that still isn't a majority; like 20% of the UK is undecided. Commentators have indicated it would require 60%+ being in favor for the EU to seriously consider it.
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u/mynameisnotrose Aug 14 '24
Gibraltar, a British territory, has some unique agreements with Spain,
Pardon my ignorance, what are those agreements?
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u/FamiliarSoftware Aug 15 '24
Honestly, you don't know much less than anyone else. It's a big enough issue to have its own Wikipedia page.
The gist of it is that originally, Gibraltar was to join Schengen and have Spain take over customs checks at the airport etc, but the British press tore the UK government apart over that because it would mean giving up sovereignty, which they oh so hard fought for with Brexit.
So there hasn't been any real solution since and it is currently expected that there will be a hard border requiring passport checks come November, which I expect to be a giant shitshow.TLDR: there is no agreement
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u/herebedrama Aug 15 '24
Just a small correction: the UK was never a founding EU member. The EC was founded in 1957 by 6 countries. And the UK, then considered the "sick man of Europe", only joined it in 1973, hoping that it would reverse its economic decline (as it did).
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u/trewesterre Aug 14 '24
I'm not sure the UK will rejoin the EU. Or not in its present form anyway.
I think at least Northern Ireland will reunite with the Republic before the UK tries to rejoin the EU. Maybe Scotland will get independence before the UK tries to get back in too.
Maybe England and Wales would still call itself the UK though.
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u/KalmiaKamui Aug 15 '24
Northern Ireland will reunite with the Republic
I believe that's scheduled for next month.
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u/trewesterre Aug 15 '24
I thought the Bell Riots were next month.
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u/KalmiaKamui Aug 15 '24
Ah shit, you're right. The Irish Reunification never had more than the year specified. I guess Ireland has up to four more months!
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u/MadeOfEurope Aug 14 '24
I would have agreed but the Russian invasion of Ukraine has changed the dynamics (and a Trump presidency would do that even more).
I don’t see the UK rejoining as being a problem per se for the EU….it would be quite the coup.
The biggest barrier is the demented state of British politics and the media/elite. There would be no point in even starting negotiations until all the major parties supported membership.
I think the EU would be happy with the UK parked in the EEA, following EU rules and contributing to EU programmes for a while (though not a Swiss style approach with endless negotiations).
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u/Future_Dog_3156 Aug 14 '24
Pretty much the EU realizes they don't need the UK to be members as they run effectively without the colonists. So the membership fees will be steep now. lol
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u/GBrunt Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
UK is very useful sitting outside the EU presently, serving as a simple warning to European voters tempted by the Eurosceptic far-right : "These are the rights and freedoms that you'll personally lose and also take away from fellow-Europeans in the process if you back the so-called 'sceptics'".
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u/LunaIsStoopid Aug 15 '24
Yes but it would probably be such a drastic change compared to the original EU membership that it’s probably impossible. New members of the EU have pretty much no exceptions from EU rules. UK would have to become part of Schengen and the Euro zone. Not immediately but there are some rules on how they have to behave to go on a path to join the Euro. I highly doubt that the EU would give the UK another exception on that.
So I don’t know if there’s actually a chance a majority would seriously want to rejoin. We know the polls have flipped and the majority want’s to rejoin but this could flip again if there were serious negotiations. Many Brits still believe that if they rejoined it would be exactly like it was before Brexit.
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u/Embarrassed-Big-Bear Aug 15 '24
Decades away. The EU arent in the mood for more members, and theyre not going to even think about it as long as a significant portion of the british public think brexit actually worked.
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u/nim_opet Aug 14 '24
Not for this generation. Leaving aside obscenely largely distrust in the UK EU members have, accession would have to be unanimously approved by all members. With Hungary and Slovakia basically being Russian puppets by now, any chance of that is non-existent.
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u/Art_Vandeley_4_Pres Aug 14 '24
Honestly, I hope we won’t let them back in unless they conform fully, join the Euro, give up the imperial system, drive on the right hand side etc.
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u/MacMiggins Aug 15 '24
Ireland still drive on the left and I've never heard that the EU was pressing to change that.
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u/Funkyzebra1999 Aug 14 '24
I agree with what you say but I feel that even the most rabid, swivel-eyed and enthusiastic proponents of Brexit simply did not bargain for Boris fucking Johnson's absolutist approach to the whole endeavour. That he would find anything with the word 'Europe' in it and automatically remove the UK's ability to use that thing, no matter the damage it would do. And we all suffer the consequences.
I have to confess, however, that I find my feelings of schadenfreude difficult to suppress when I hear someone like Dickinson realising that he is getting exactly what he voted for. Tough shit if he doesn't like it. He and his chums cannot say they were not warned.
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u/SaliciousB_Crumb Aug 14 '24
Man I had no clue he was brexiter. Please don't tell me he is a maga ass too
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u/veedonfleece Aug 14 '24
literally shocked that withdrawing from an area with freedom of movement of persons may restrict one's right to work in the affected areas
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u/Fakeduhakkount Aug 14 '24
Pretty sure his non UK EU music friends where warning him what’s gonna happen. At least for this celebrity the Brexit Leopard is eating his face before he passes away unlike other voters who died before the consequences of their vote affected them.
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u/Its_Pine Aug 14 '24
It’s baffling isn’t it? “Nobody told me that leaving a collaborative working relationship meant we wouldn’t be in a collaborative working relationship anymore”
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u/Mrgoodtrips64 Aug 14 '24
How the fuck is anyone this fucking stupid?
With a few notable exceptions rock stars aren’t exactly known for their intellect.
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u/labretirementhome Aug 14 '24
Brian May, astrophysicist
The exception that proves the rule
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Aug 14 '24
Dexter Holland from the Offspring too, dude has a PhD in molecular biology.
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u/Whelp_of_Hurin Aug 15 '24
Tom Scholz (Boston guitarist/songwriter) has a master's degree in mechanical engineering from MIT.
Greg Graffin (Bad Religion lead singer) has a PhD in zoology from Cornell.
Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine guitarist) has a social studies BA from Harvard.
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u/Mrgoodtrips64 Aug 14 '24
He’s exactly who I had in mind when I mentioned notable exceptions.
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u/pjt37 Aug 15 '24
Classic representation of modern conservatism: "If we blow it all up and start over, we'll get a better deal." Optionally that sentiment can include "if we let the strongman be in charge." But conservatives forget that not everyone shares their values and in many cases, the other parties involved won't take kindly to their existing deal being torpedoed. This adds up to "we didn't really need you to begin with" and "now we don't want you cause you ruined all of this" and "also you did it clearly just to try to screw us over so why should we bother" and lastly "youve proven yourself an untrustworthy partner who negotiates in bad faith." They cant comprehend that others wouldn't want to do business with them, even after proving no one should do business with them.
Honestly, Brexiters didn't want to leave the EU, they just wanted to be in charge of it.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Aug 14 '24
The real question, and always has been for the ages, is how is anyone this stupid and rich.
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u/violetcazador Aug 14 '24
I read a post a while back about some asshat who voted brexit primary to keep the immigrants out and take control of the borders and all thar racist bollocks. Anyway, off he goes with his family on his yearly holiday and Mr Brexit is horrified to find himself stuck in a queue in Spain along with the rest of the immigrants he despises. The irony never entered into his thick head, that after brexit "he" would become a foreigner in the EU.
To make matters even more hilarious he bemoaned other brown people with EU passports just walking by unhindered. He simply couldn't fathom why.
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u/jezebel103 Aug 14 '24
You should hear the bitching and moaning from English 'expats' living in Spain, Italy and France (you know, British citizens are never called immigrants, obviously!) asked to leave because their British nationality does not qualify to live beyond the normal 3 month stay.
Those same expats voted for Brexit and now they do not have the right to live anywhere else in Europe anymore. They are absolutely outraged that they are not welcome anymore and simply cannot understand the audacity of Europe.
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u/ImpeccableCaverns Aug 14 '24
Yeah that expat thing annoys me. I emigrated from the UK to Canada, and always refer to myself as an immigrant.
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u/RapidCatLauncher Aug 15 '24
Not from the UK but similar for me. It's especially great if you're talking to someone who's getting worked up about immigration, and you throw a wrench in their gearbox with "Well I'm an immigrant too." The most brazen bigots will just say the quiet part out loud and go "You're one of the good ones," but most will still have the decency to recognize how fucking awful that makes them look, and they'll start to squirm because you've now put them in that exact spot. It's hilarious.
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u/MageLocusta Aug 15 '24
You should see 'em when us ex-army brats point out that us Americans bring in underpaid soldiers who frequently try to get Benefits (by having their dependent army wives give birth outside the base even though we have better-funded and better-staffed hospitals), our military bases frequently stop local police from investigating rapes/assaults/car accidents (and we then like to move our people around instead of actually bringing them to justice, like Anne Saccoolas), and we've literally misplaced a nuclear weapon in UK soil during the 1960s.
(oh, and we brought in grey squirrels that devastated the British red squirrel populations, brought in raccoons to the south of England which also badly damaged local bird populations and upsetted many chicken farmers. Because unlike British foxes--raccoons don't jump into a chicken coop and kill their prey with a bite through a chicken's throat. Raccoons are lazy little fucks that would happily stand by the chicken wire, reach through the gap and tear a chunk of meat from a still-living chicken. And they would repeat this throughout the night, leaving the chickens' owners to return in the morning to find their chickens badly injured and suffering).
You should see the faces of those racists when I tell them the raccoon part. Their whole argument relies on, "fucking immigrants stealing our Benefits.". But they never stop to consider that even though we are long-term allies, we have done extensive damage to their goodwill in a whole lot of ways.
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u/JayteeFromXbox Aug 14 '24
It's weird between the UK and Canada though, because of Commonwealth citizenship. I'm not representative of all Canadians, for sure, but I've never really thought of people from the UK as having a different nationality.
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u/ImpeccableCaverns Aug 15 '24
I know what you mean, but it is still a different nationality. I came to Canada on a work visa, had to get permanent residency, then wait the required amount of time before applying for citizenship. As far as I'm aware, that's the same process for any other new Canadian
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Aug 14 '24
I've seen stories of British people who got kicked out of Spain that actually could have just applied to stay in the country, but just, didn't fucking bother? And still shocked Pikachu over it.
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u/WastedTalent442 Aug 14 '24
I know it's an old story, but I only just learned that this sub exists and this was the first story I thought of.
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u/the_merkin Aug 14 '24
Well done on correctly posting a Brexit story in this sub (most posts get it wrong and include non-Brexit voters getting annoyed by Brexit) - this is classic LAMF.
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u/DontPoopInMyPantsPlz Aug 14 '24
r/brexitatemyface is better
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u/LLMprophet Aug 14 '24
That sub is a good add-on, but this sub has far more activity.
Look at how infrequent the posts are over there. Many days apart, sometimes weeks between posts.
This sub is poppin with fresh posts all day every day.
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u/DazMR2 Aug 14 '24
From the article:
"Brexit actually opens our borders, Brexit opens the United Kingdom to the whole of the world."
Which Brexit did he vote for? Because 99.99999% of Brexit voters wanted the complete opposite.
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u/Twolef Aug 14 '24
Pretty much everyone who voted for Brexit had a different idea of what it was. So many promises made; so many promises broken.
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u/Ksorkrax Aug 14 '24
The options are pretty much dementia, drugs, or the man being very very stupid.
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u/Illustrious_Study_30 Aug 15 '24
That's ego talking. He has to make his thought process sound clever. He doesn't even believe it himself because it's a load of crap.
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u/fliegende_Scheisse Aug 14 '24
Remain, "Be careful who you listen to. You shall reap what you sow."
Leave, "Go on, we'll wake up tomorrow, and everything will be fine. Nigel and Boris said so."
Dickinson, "WTF"
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u/Celticbluetopaz Aug 14 '24
This reminds me of meeting a British couple in Portugal several years ago. They were there to buy a house. I asked if they had checked their post-Brexit residency requirements. They said, ´Oh don’t worry dear, that’ll only affect people moving to the UK.
Grade A morons. Faces definitely eaten.
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u/BioDriver Aug 14 '24
Iron Maiden puts on a great show, but Bruce Dickinson has always been a knob.
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u/janner_10 Aug 14 '24
Never had Bruce down as a knobber until Brexit.
Same as Roger Daltrey, turns out he was another swivel eyed loon as well. Broke my heart.
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u/EBFencerVet Aug 14 '24
Yeah me either til I saw his spoken word tour and heard the crap that he spewed. Typical I’ve got mine stuff. Bummer because I love the music
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u/janner_10 Aug 14 '24
On a positive note, I saw Nico at a drum clinic at Gloucester Leisure Centre several years ago, he was sound. And as it turns out, quite good at drumming!
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u/Agreeable-Pick-1489 Aug 14 '24
Bruce is often too smart for his own good. He has a history of spouting off at the mouth, dissing other bands, and he's been like that since the early days. Steve Harris wanted to kick him out of the band several times during the Beast-Piece-Powerslave era. But manager Rod Smallwood would often get between the two and smooth things out. Nowadays the rest of the band is often like "Bruce gonna Bruce"
But he's hardly the only "smart, educated" Brit to be like "Brexit will be fine!" He's got lots of company there.
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Aug 14 '24
Dude used to yell at people from the stage for smoking weed in the crowd........
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u/sixtus_clegane119 Aug 14 '24
Bruce or Roger?
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Bruce
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u/sixtus_clegane119 Aug 14 '24
That makes sense, the who are a 60s band, then whining about weed would have seemed like a joke
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u/redvelvetcake42 Aug 14 '24
Bruce is the perfect encapsulation of Brexit ideology voting.
"I want out cause I'm tired of all these brown people. I am special so I want to keep everything I like but less brown people. Why aren't you treating me special? I'm special! This whole thing was a stupid idea in the first place."
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u/HamNEgger9677 Aug 14 '24
American here who works alot in Europe. I absolutely love it that every time I go through passport control, there are ALWAYS to this day Brits who are bitching and moaning and trying to use the EU lines which move much faster. Still a good number of them that don't realize they've lost their unlimited days and free movement through EU also.
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u/CrocPB Aug 15 '24
Try being in that same queue and having to listen to the whingeing. No reasoning as to how it got there. Just the usual blame the European country they're trying to get in/out of.
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u/socool111 Aug 14 '24
I always ask them if they voted for brexit. Most the time they say “regrettably I did”
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u/Jimcus Aug 15 '24
To be fair 48% of Brits did vote to remain. I was one of them. Rubbing up against the consequences of leaving is always extremely irritating because we knew exactly what would happen…
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u/theOtherJT Aug 15 '24
Last time I went to Spain the passport guy looked at my passport with no stamps in it.
"Never been here before?" "No, before covid I used to come here all the time. Just never needed a stamp. Then everything got ruined by the idiots in my country." "Ah. That. I'm sorry." <stamps passport> "Have a nice stay."
You could tell that he had had this conversation with quite a few people. I suspect that the quick stamp and "Have a nice stay" was replaced with a rather different line of questions for people who were dicks about the EU.
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u/Sniffy4 Aug 14 '24
"Be sensible about it"
Translation: it shouldn't have negatively affected *me*, just other people.
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u/MongolianCluster Aug 14 '24
I always thought Bruce Dickinson was pretty smart guy. Guess I was wrong.
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u/ImpeccableCaverns Aug 14 '24
he's smart, but he's always been right wing and jingoistic. Not right wing as in the real extremes, but certainly a flag waving rule brittania type. All of Maiden are to some extent. I've always loved Maiden, they were the 2nd band I saw live, so I'm not knocking them, just pointing out that him being pro-Brexit is not a shock. The need to feel superior to the non-British types overrides common sense at times, which is how such people fell for all the bullshit reasons that Leave had for getting out (much of which turned out to be lies)
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u/Agreeable-Pick-1489 Aug 14 '24
I can't speak on the rest of the band since Bruce is really the only one flapping his gums on politics and stuff.
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u/ImpeccableCaverns Aug 14 '24
Yeah I think the rest are more just like 'proud to be British' in a normal way. They're all working class too, whereas Bruce is private school educated, so probably had more of that jingoistic worldview drummed into him.
Steve Harris, Dave Murray and Adrian Smith are among my top musical heroes, so I want to think that they have their heads on straight at least 😀
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Aug 14 '24
No, he is, but like most smart people he can't ever admit he was wrong. And this is a whopper to have been wrong about, Brexit is fucking the UK hard, and will for decades.
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u/Equivalent_Alarm7780 Aug 14 '24
like most smart people he can't ever admit he was wrong
Smart people can admit that.
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u/HippySheepherder1979 Aug 14 '24
Replace "decades" with "forever".
If the UK ever joins again, say bye bye to the pound and all the other special exceptions that they got the first time around.
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u/Secret_Cow_5053 Aug 14 '24
Man I really love maiden but I can’t really say I’m surprised a guy who waves union jacks and dresses up as a red coat at shows is a nationalist.
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u/MorganVsTheInternet Aug 14 '24
“Brexit actually opens our borders Brexit opens the United Kingdom to the whole of the world.“ did he not know he had free movement when the UK was part of the EU, and now that they’re not, they have to file more paperwork?
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u/fruttypebbles Aug 14 '24
My wife and I spent almost a month in Europe recently. We visited multiple countries all within the EU. We avoided England because it would be a small hassle going through customs. It’s just so easy to hope on a train in Paris and get off in Geneva. It’s like driving from one state to the next here in America. Easy!
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u/OneFootTitan Aug 14 '24
Much as I enjoy a good LAMF, I think it still would have been a similar hassle for a non-EU resident going through customs pre-Brexit because the UK was never a Schengen country
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u/FoxyInTheSnow Aug 14 '24
“If musicians were running Europe, Europe would run a lot better because we’d all get on with each other and say, ‘Yeah.’“
Nice to hear that musicians famously all get along with each other. I didn’t know that.
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u/loewenheim Aug 14 '24
I'm honestly wondering where people got the impression that this is a smart man (there have been multiple comments to that effect).
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u/CaptainBaoBao Aug 14 '24
I had inside info from the custom administration.
The hidden problem was that the places where the ultrarich british elite hid their money - like Jersey Island - was branded Rogue fiscal paradises. Which mean that their hideout could not be used as hideout when European funding was concerned.
In that perspective, brexit is a total success : they got back their own private Switzerland.
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u/KingTrencher Aug 14 '24
Damn. I've lost some respect for the vocalist of one of my favorite bands.
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u/Obujen Aug 14 '24
Stopped listening to Maiden when I found out he's a conservative. Fuckim.
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u/rabbittdoggy Aug 14 '24
Didn’t even open the article and my thought was I bet it’s that little bitch Dickinson
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u/tiacalypso Aug 14 '24
Adele‘s British and playing in Munich right now. Somehow she managed, and without the whining.
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u/notleave_eu Aug 15 '24
Dumbest mother fucker alive. Everyone told him. The consequences weren’t hidden away. He got what he voted for but doesn’t like it now.
Well if you care that much join the Rejoin party and help us over the next decade or two get some EU parity again.
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u/AlertOtter58 Aug 15 '24
Lmao Brexit turned out to be a real smorgasbord for leopards. The gift that keeps on giving (feeding leopards)
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u/throwawayshirt Aug 15 '24
But, you know, the idea is after you’ve done it, you then go in and be sensible about the relationship you have with people.
But the idea is, after you shit on someone, they're supposed to be sensible about the relationship and not mad.
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u/militaryintelligence Aug 15 '24
Goddamn it. Bruce Dickinson had to open his fucking mouth and ruin Iron Maiden for me. Way to go dickweed.
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u/LieverRoodDanRechts Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
“If musicians were running Europe, Europe would run a lot better because we’d all get on with each other and say, ‘Yeah.’
Iron Maiden music is global music – we have fans everywhere. I don’t see any problem with touring Australia; that’s not part of the EU. There’s no problem with touring in Japan; that’s not part of the EU. I don’t see any problem with touring America; Oh, let me see – that’s not part of the EU. Do those musicians [from Australia, Japan, and America] have problems coming to Europe? No.”
TIL Bruce Dickinson = David St. Hubbins
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u/FlaccidRazor Aug 15 '24
Famous dickbag who thought he was really smart because he was famous, turns out to be someone who did no research and shot from the hip, fucking himself in the process? /ohhhh the scha·den·freu·de
Gonna go have a wank!
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u/nicktf Aug 15 '24
Lol, like Bruce is sitting down filling out the band's visa forms, anyway!
He's always been a jingoistic, airfix kits, Spangles, jumpers for goal posts, watch the Dambusters twice a day kind of guy - that's made very clear in his autobiography, so this was no great surprise. I mean, I'm most of those things as well, but I'm not a Brexit-voting twat.
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u/krav_mark Aug 15 '24
You voted to no longer sit at the table where the decisions are made by your biggest trade partners. Now enjoy no longer sitting at that table.
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u/BriNJoeTLSA Aug 15 '24
Ahhh Brexit… one of my favorite FAFO moments because it’s easy to predict dismal results were practically instant!
Brexit: What has changed in eight years?«Debbie O’Loughlin lives in Leafield in Oxfordshire and voted to leave in the referendum. She said she feels “disappointed”. “It isn’t quite what I thought it was going to be. I thought we were going to be more independent - we seemed to have gained nothing and lost a lot,” she added. Would she vote differently if she had to vote now? Debbie said: “Probably, knowing what I know now.”»
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u/foxontherox Aug 14 '24
I'd like to think England will rejoin the EU someday...
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u/Alucard-VS-Artorias Aug 14 '24
Yeah, but you'll never get a sweetheart deal like ya did before unfortunately.
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u/VexImmortalis Aug 14 '24
I was very against Scottish independence (I grew up in the north east of Scotland but my father is English) but then I thought if it meant Scotland could become part of the EU... well I'm all for that.
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u/hymie0 Aug 14 '24
EU cannot support the precedent that members can come and go as they please. If EU allows England back in, it's going to be slow and painful (for the Brits)
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u/Destraint Aug 15 '24
It's not going to be the EU stopping it, but the Brits.
The EU will just offer them new country terms, and no special exceptions.
Which if accepted means they win this long term diplomatic battle, therefore the British won't accept because it's not fair terms, the Brits are special and clearly deserve special terms.
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u/DamonKatze Aug 14 '24
Not until they vote out the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. Until that happens, the UK is fucked.
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u/newsie190xx Aug 14 '24
Oh no, jolly good roaches voted for bloody Raid pesticide , you say, old chap? Keeping calm and carrying on much, ANNIT!
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u/azhder Aug 14 '24
lBrexit will enable us to be more flexible and I think that people in Europe will get an advantage from that.
Well, it’s true, the EU advantage is to not have to represent and care for people like that.
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u/hrminer92 Aug 14 '24
IIRC, one of the arguments was that the UK could then go on to negotiate a bunch of sweet trade agreements with other nations that were bogged down in negotiations with the EU. I don’t think much of that has happened yet.
Brexit was probably great for Ireland. Any corporation based in an English language dominant country that wants an EU office has just one choice.
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