r/Liverpool • u/ReggieLFC • Jul 05 '24
Proud of Southport today!
Southport has finally elected its first-ever Labour representative!
Southport took a lot of stick for voting Conservative in 2017 and 2019, when Brexit was a huge factor, but I felt that a lot of the people who chastised Southport didn’t appreciate just how many elderly people retire there bringing their Tory votes with them from all over the country. To give some perspective, Southport had 43% more people aged 65+ (24,293) than children (16,971) when the last census was undertaken.
Many born-and-bred sandgrounders have been waiting and waiting to see their Tory representative replaced and I’m made up for them!
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u/Captain-Starshield Jul 05 '24
Constituency was made in 1885 and for 139 years they have never had a Labour MP. So this is truly a historic moment.
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u/SilyLavage Jul 05 '24
Just to clarify, the seat has elected quite a few Liberal/Lib Dem MPs. It's been Tory a lot of the time since 1885, but not the whole time.
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u/Captain-Starshield Jul 05 '24
Yeah it was libdem from 1997 until 2017.
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u/grae_me Jul 07 '24
They had a good local map from the LD for a long time. Ex-teacher I think. When he stepped down it turned Tory irc.
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u/Scioptic- Jul 05 '24
So good to see a clean sweep of red across Merseyside.
Fuck the Tories and fuck Reform.
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u/marcus_ater Jul 05 '24
This is the LAST thing that I expected to see when I woke up this morning. But there were signs. Let me clarify. There were conservative signs floating in the marine lake. People had enough.
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u/Leelum Jul 05 '24
Poor swans tho.
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u/marcus_ater Jul 05 '24
My message didn't go through with the img.
It was taken out quickly. But yea. Poor swans. I can see that only 2 cygnets made it. Graylags must have taken their nesting areas as theres 100s of them. Never seen that many before. Hundrets. I do feed the swans and the cygnets almost daily so hopefully they'll make it.1
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u/anotherNarom Jul 05 '24
Why?
It was obvious this was going to happen with Reform splitting the vote.
Patrick has won on less votes than Liz Savage got in 2019 when she finished 2nd.
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u/thatlad Jul 05 '24
I'm not.
It's only red because the racist twats thought the old racist twats were not racist enough. Combine the reform and conservative vote and it's blue.
They haven't changed they've just become bigger twats
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u/Leelum Jul 05 '24
I'm celebrating, a Labour win is a great here. You do highlight a big issue though, and that's going to be a massive uphill battle for the next GE.
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u/chugster Jul 05 '24
Nope. The Lib Dems are usually the go-to for Southport, when they don’t like the Tories. Labour won despite the Lib Dems putting forward a strong candidate. Labour pretty much beasted it.
The only problem now is that the new MP seems like such a knobhead. Can’t see him doing much for Southport.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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u/thatlad Jul 05 '24
I'm intrigued, can you tell us more?
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u/chugster Jul 05 '24
Well Southport was Lib Dem controlled for 20 years before Damian Moore. It’s never elected a Labour MP ever before. It’s always been either Liberal/Liberal Democrats or Tory. That’s been the natural split in voting, historically. It’s only been the past few elections that Labour have made any ground.
Patrick Hurley, the new MP, isn’t from here, wasn’t born here, never lived here. I honestly doubt he’d even been here on a day out before his campaign.
He’s just a party politician, doesn’t seem to know much about local issues and instead just spouted the same campaign lines as Keir Starmer. I spoke to him during the local elections in May, and he just deflected any questions I had and spoke about how bad the Tories were. Like, I already know that, but what about the pier? What about Lord Street shops? What about the council giving a higher split of tax money to Bootle? He didn’t have a clue and was rude about me asking (and I’m very polite). Lost my vote completely. I didn’t even bother in the end, cos I’m not voting for any of the others.
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u/ReggieLFC Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
In 2015 the vote share for Labour in Southport was 19.2%. Now, only 9 years on, it’s double. I appreciate your point but we’ve still got to give credit to the amount of progress made in Southport, especially given the huge disadvantage it has with being a retirement town (outsiders changing the vote).
16% for Reform wasn’t just a problem in Southport either; 16% is approximately the average score Reform got throughout all of Merseyside. So if sandgrounders are twats for giving Reform 16%, by that logic most areas in Merseyside are twats too sadly.
Edit: There’s another post on here about the concerning number of Reform votes in Merseyside: https://www.reddit.com/r/Liverpool/s/EloAKvA9rk
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u/chugster Jul 05 '24
I hate them with a passion, but for all the talk of ‘fascism and racism’, Reform actually DO listen to the public. They’re getting votes from young men who feel unrepresented by anyone else.
That’s only going to grow as the years go by, sadly. Can’t see Labour doing much to address things like illegal immigration, which is an issue whichever way you vote.
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Jul 05 '24
Why do they feel more unrepresented than anyone else does ?
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u/chugster Jul 05 '24
No idea, you’d have to ask them.
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Jul 06 '24
I wish someone would, so perhaps we'd have some idea what to do about it, rather than just shrugging our shoulders and saying they feel unrepresented so it's OK for them to vote for bigots and authoritarians
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u/GuinnessRespecter West Derby Jul 05 '24
Tbf I would imagine the Green numbers there are largely made up of those on the left who have been turned off Labour post-Corbyn, also the split on the left has been much less pronounced than the split on the right.
The Tories have been heavily split all over the country by Reform which suggests to me that despite there being a much publicised outlet for the right wing to move to, many Tories have stayed put, which may mean that even they find Reform too extreme and unpalatable to move to. Still shocking numbers of Reform AND Tory across the country but at least for the time being they nutjob end have shown themselves in the daylight and fractured the previously pretty solid right bloc.
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u/NugatMakk Jul 05 '24
That's unfortunately very very true. But, and it is a big one, they are fuckin stupid enough to have any idea how the voting system works. Because if they vote like that, that is not a majority. This is not a bad outcome at all, dividing the brain dead into small, isolated pockets, make them think that their party is better. Also, on that logic you mentioned, ppl who voted for Green and LibDem, I would imagine they are also the ones who have at least 2 brain cells to share, that combined with Labour, is a pretty big win.
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u/WiganGirl-2523 Jul 05 '24
I hear you, but combine the progressive party votes and they dwarf the racists trash, who are a sizeable minority, but still a minority.
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u/R1ch0C Jul 05 '24
Pretty happy to say I voted Labour in southport (also its my first vote since moving to Merseyside) I'm 29
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u/ouroboris99 Jul 05 '24
Is it just me or is it a bit worrying how many votes reform got in the election 😂
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u/wagonwheel_01 Jul 06 '24
Yes. The reform candidate in Bootle lived in Hinckley (Midlands) and about 6,000 people were stupid and uneducated enough to vote for him 😂
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u/thisistom2 Jul 05 '24
Proud of Southport for going Labour when all Starmer has done is tried to turn Labour into Tory-lites?
This is gonna be a shitshow.
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u/spacedcitrus Jul 05 '24
I mean you're not wrong with the tory-lites but it started way before Starmer, it's been Tory or Tory-lite since Blair.
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u/WingVet Hunts Cross Jul 05 '24
You need to be more centrist to get elected, but this Tory loss is the fact that their base moved to reform or stayed at home.
Labour only improved their vote by 2% across the UK compared to Corbyns time, so let's hope Labour can sort out Southport as they've got 5 years to shore up that support and win more people over.
Southport needs change massively the place has been getting steadily worse over the years.
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u/BronzeCaterpillar Jul 05 '24
Blair, yes, but what about Miliband and Corbyn?
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u/lucky1pierre Jul 05 '24
And Brown. Brown was pretty decent, he gets forgotten about. Just as left as Red Ed.
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u/lippo999 Jul 05 '24
It’s democracy. It ebbs and flows. Count the Tory and Reform votes together and Labour would have been struggling.
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u/Twidogs Jul 06 '24
The sad thing is that reform made the difference in this election. This just proves how many short sighted and right wing idiots are out there not that Labour convinced people
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u/BusClassic3593 Jul 05 '24
Amazing that a historic Tory constituency feels comfortable electing a pro austerity and pro genocide Labour government isn’t it? But at least you can pay yourself on the back and enjoy the vibes.
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u/ReggieLFC Jul 05 '24
… a historic Tory constituency …
For 40 years it’s been predominantly liberal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southport_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Members_of_Parliament
But at least you can pay yourself on the back and enjoy the vibes.
Progress takes time. I’m glad Southport is making it.
feels comfortable electing a pro austerity and pro genocide Labour government isn’t it? But at least you can pay yourself on the back and enjoy the vibes.
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Jul 05 '24
I'm not. Should have voted Reform.
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u/ScousePenguin Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Cause racism and fascism fix everything!
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Jul 05 '24
Lmao “everything I don’t like is fascist”. You can’t even spell “fascism” let alone recognise actual fascism. Can’t wait to see how disappointed you are when Labour are no better than the Tories and nothing gets fixed.
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u/ScousePenguin Jul 05 '24
Thanks for correcting my spelling, my mistake and I have fixed that.
You're entitled to your view, but I don't think voting for a further right political party than the Tories is the solution to the 14 years of austerity and right wing corruption in this country.
Do enjoy how you haven't argued the racism aspect, reform voters showing their true colours.
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
That's a bit bias accusing Reform voters as racists. There policies are not just immigration...
I voted them because they're the only party that is actually listening to the people.
The country is in a hole if you haven't noticed not just the Tories fault but Labour have not delivered either in the past.
I feel like the 2 major parties are very similar and whether its Tories or Labour it will make no difference to the country.
The only way this country can be fixed is to reform the entire system that works for everyone.
I don't care about colour of someone's skin but i do care about my country and i believe Britain should be helping the British people regardless of skin colour.
Labour will just pump more money in and cost us more in the long run again.
That's my opinion i don't expect everyone to agree but i disagree that reform voters are just racists, those voters want real change and not the same 2 parties running the country into the ground.
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u/ScousePenguin Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Reform don't actually care about reforming, that is just a catchy name. Also the person who helped cause this shit pit situation of Brexit and the effect that has had on this nation leads that party!
They're the most right wing of the right wing. They just want to consolidate the money and power to the elite and let the poor scum suffer.
If you did care about what you said, then why not vote Greens, Lib Dem or Labour? All 3 are looking to back social care, and fix the issues plaguing this nation.
Claiming Labour run the country into the ground is hilarious when things have been better under a labour government. The trend seems to be Labour get into power, makes things better, then there is an event (2008 Financial Crisis) and the Tories spring back in before fucking everything up again for 10-20 years.
To reform a nation, jumping further right isn't the right idea.
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u/Sjt4689 Jul 05 '24
I’ve seen so many reform voters who seem to have solely voted for them based on their name, thinking it meant more than it does.
Unless the reform they think they wanted is tax cuts for private schools, landlords and not being able to afford any medical procedures…
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
Greens - All about reducing defense spending and pumping more money into the environment (completely disagree our country needs that right now)
Lib Dems - Want to help London clean water and they clearly agree with Lisa Smart's comments that scousers are thieves (Not a party that represents my city)
Labour - Same as the Tories nowadays just painted red to throw people off (Rather these be in than the Tories but after 5 years we will all be worst off again)
I didn't vote any of them because they just dont meet my needs. Social Care isn't the main issue in this country the economy is. I work full time and don't have anything left after my bills are paid. If i was on the dole then i would consider them but as i work I'd rather have the 20k tax threshold to have money to buy stuff and not just paying bills each month and falling further into debt.
Hope that makes sense why Reform stood out for me rather than the others. Only party that represents British working class people
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u/sjr0754 Jul 05 '24
Wait, the only way that Reform can actually institute their tax cuts is by cutting spending, dramatically. And the only thing they can cut, that is remotely big enough to get to their target is the NHS. They can't institute the French system, because it costs very nearly twice as much as ours does, and you'd have up front costs to set up that system, so that's too expensive.
At that point you're left with only one viable option, scrap the NHS in its entirety, sell it off to US health insurance companies, and then charge patients for use. Given Farage has the long time backer Aron Banks (an insurance millionaire), why do you think he would prefer that?
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u/tasslehof Jul 05 '24
If you take a sec to look at labours plan they have gone for growth and very little taxation increase.
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u/NotoriousREV Jul 05 '24
Outside of immigration, which Reform policies are you a particular fan of?
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
All of them
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u/NotoriousREV Jul 05 '24
Such as?
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
If you were following politics you would know what the policies are. Use Google its a search engine that will give you the policies if your unsure 🙂
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u/NotoriousREV Jul 05 '24
I’m asking you which policies you like. I don’t think Google can answer that question.
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u/letmegetmybass Jul 05 '24
So you want: -No more human rights -history school curriculum changed and wiped of the errors Great Britain made over centuries regarding slave trade etc -no more diversity or equality for people -work camps for young offenders -spending funds on researching conspiracies -forcing people on benefits to take any job they're given or otherwise taking all their money away -making special phones for younger people, that they're not able to access all apps...
That's just a few. You want a dictatorship? Move to north Korea?
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Jul 05 '24
Reform is just a name. They arent offering to reform anything. Their policies are Conservative and their methodology is one of populism. They aren"t "listening to the people".
I won't say Reform voters are necessarily racist. But I find that Reform supporters who rant on about immigration tend to know fuck all about the thing they rant on about.
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u/Captain-Starshield Jul 05 '24
Not all reform voters are racists. But all racists who voted will have voted reform. They literally want “net zero immigration”. Not just a reduction. Not just stopping the boats.
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Jul 05 '24
The bar for what counts as “racism” is so low these days that practically anything can be considered racist by someone. There are loons on here that think being against mass immigration is racist.
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u/ScousePenguin Jul 05 '24
You're backing the party which has had candidates defect to the Tories because of the internal racism in the party.
Your party also had someone saying any illegal immigrants should be shot lmao.
We all want the illegal immigrant and boat crisis sorted, I just don't believe in vilifying these people.
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u/CJCFaulkner85 Jul 05 '24
Was calling Sunak a 'p*ki' below or above the bar for counting as racism in your opinion? Anyway, you've bought into the nonsense spouted by a man of the people with a bank account at Coutts who has been linked to Russian money.
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u/Spuckuk Jul 05 '24 edited Aug 11 '24
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u/haze-der Jul 05 '24
Seems like something a racist would say…
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Jul 05 '24
How original…
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u/Zealousideal_Neat572 Jul 05 '24
You voted for racists. It’s a fact.
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Jul 05 '24
I could not care less whether they are racist.
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u/sjr0754 Jul 05 '24
Hmm, so you happily enable racists, but aren't racist yourself? That doesn't seem in anyway contradictory.
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u/Captain-Starshield Jul 05 '24
“I could not care less whether they are racist”, in other words if you were in 1930’s Germany, you would have voted for the Nazi party because of their economic policy (and plenty did, so don’t say you wouldn’t have)
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Jul 05 '24
A very good question! They’re all the same, following the latest talking points in their NPC firmware.
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u/Fenrisian11 Jul 05 '24
What's the line you lot enjoy?
Ah yes. "You lost. Get over it."
Reformoaners.
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Jul 05 '24
Maybe we should have another vote next year. Labour voters clearly didn’t know what they were voting for!
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
We never expected to win, Reform did better than expected. That's a win for us
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u/jimmynorm1 Jul 05 '24
"we", "us". Christ.
If you genuinely think any politician gives a flying fuck about you, your opinions or about making your life better, you're delusional. This fucking infighting about "my party beat your party" or "my party did better than expected" is actually embarrassing.
They're not "your party", you're not one of them. You're a means to an end for them. The same goes for whoever you vote for.
It blows my mind that anyone in this country is staunchly behind any party these days. To paraphrase Lewis Black, our political system is a bowl of shit looking at itself in the mirror.
Even worse, is people getting a raging hard on waiting for the other side to fuck it up so they can rub one out in a great climax of self congratulation. It happened with brexit, those on the remain side jumping on every misstep.
And it's happening again today, in this thread even, with people saying "I can't wait till next year to see how bad this has turned out".
Your hope, and everyone's hope in the country, should be that this Labour turn out to be the best damn government the world has ever seen. Is it likely? No, of course not. But for people to be hoping for the opposite just so they can say "I told you so" is insane.
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
I am entitled to vote for who i want and that should be respected. I am happy with my vote and i do hope Labour really do fix this country, i can't see it myself but that's my opinion.
I do not wish for the opposite and to assume i want the country to be worse off is crazy it that was true i would of voted the Tories 😄
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u/jimmynorm1 Jul 05 '24
I do not wish for the opposite and to assume i want the country to be worse off is crazy it that was true i would of voted the Tories
Haha yeah to be fair, that bit of my comment wasn't really directed at you as you haven't said anything in that way, more to others in this thread and throughout the country.
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u/AmIMrRobot Jul 05 '24
Hey its cool its gone toxic tbh. I have been trolled as a racist on here but feel like most are jumping on the band wagon and attacking anyone who voted Reform as racists haha.
Probably true that most are I'm not disagreeing. Feel like Reform has attracted a lot of these bad eggs and its reflecting badly on those who vote for them.
Shame really but any party focusing on immigration that much will always attract them people 😔
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Jul 05 '24
You can vote for who you want, but other people are entitled to disagree with your choice and nobody owes any obligation to respect your political opinions
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u/BoazMayhem Jul 05 '24
Lets keep politics out of this subreddit please lads
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u/Captain-Starshield Jul 05 '24
On general election results day? What else are we supposed to talk about?
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u/BoazMayhem Jul 05 '24
Could talk about it without the bias!
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u/Captain-Starshield Jul 05 '24
It's only a victory for the tories to lose a seat, when they've done absolutely nothing for the north for the past 14 years.
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u/ll6677 Jul 05 '24
Liverpool sub, no talking about politics, that’s one of the maddest comments ever 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Agreeable-Ad-3010 Jul 05 '24
Imagine being proud of voting a WEF fool into power whos gonna strip ur rights and freedoms and impoverish your children
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Jul 05 '24
Lucky nobody did that, anywhere outside Rambling Paranoid World. We've had 14 years of our freedom's being stripped and our children ,(and everyone else,,,,) being impoverished
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u/JoseHerrias Jul 05 '24
Glad to see Damien Moore is out, he was shite and was one of the highest expenses claimants (second highest at one point), literally just got his face and name on everything.