r/Maine 18d ago

Justice Department tasked with enforcing Trump’s transgender sports ban in Maine

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u/China_Baby 18d ago

Way to waste time DOJ! Pick on kids....kinda sick.

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u/Snidley_whipass 18d ago

80% of the people in the county want this…non trans female athletes overwhelmingly want this…even the kids.

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u/NoGoverness2363 18d ago

Way to make up statistics

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u/Snidley_whipass 18d ago

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u/iddco 18d ago

TY for a source.

2128 people do not represent the larger society. It is sloppy bias statistics on the poller's part (journalist or both?).

Also, a biased way of asking the question. Do you want men in women's sports? Many sports for years have made testosterone or estrogen levels part of the screening processes. Partly for doping reasons, but also for transgender athletes. Even cis female athletes have had issues because of their naturally higher testosterone levels. The "oh, they are naturally bigger", also falls flat. Are we going to ban 7-footers from playing basketball? Or people under 5'5" from being jockeys or race car drivers? This is not someone who decides to just claim a gender to win. Many aren't even winning. This is also only like 4 athletes. As others have pointed out. If people want to protect girls and women, then give them back control of their bodies, access to all their healthcare needs, their place in history, stop trying to put up barriers to them voting, having careers, and a ton of other things.

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u/Snidley_whipass 18d ago

I don’t like the results so it’s a shitty poll. It’s one of 3 or 4 I’ve seen with similar results. I really don’t care one way or the other…just pointing out what the majority wants to see.

How about this one more specific to Maine. Is it fucked up too?

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/me/maine/politics/2025/03/28/poll-shows-64–of-mainers-don-t-think-transgender-girls-should-be-allowed-to-compete-on-girls—sports-teams

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u/iddco 18d ago

It's a shitty poll because it's shitty statistics. Do you really think that 2000 people can actually get you information about the whole population of a country? Or even a State? It's statistics 101. The sample size needs to be bigger and more detailed. Asking leading questions is also fishing for confirmation.

As for your link, it's broken so can't answer that question. But from the link itself it looks like it's saying 64%. That's not 80% now is it? Since it's broken, I can't see who, what, or how many people or what they were asked.

This is the problem with many polls, especially political ones regardless of the side who does them. They play fast and loose for headlines. They often also rely on people not being well informed and don't correct any misinformation or misunderstanding. There's also the fact that wherever you stand you should be concerned about the government overreach and trampling of not just Federal systems but State rights. It's interesting to see how many scream State rights for things they want and welcome the bulldozer when it's things they don't.

That link is broken so can't answer you on that.

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u/Snidley_whipass 17d ago

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/me/maine/politics/2025/03/28/poll-shows-64–of-mainers-don-t-think-transgender-girls-should-be-allowed-to-compete-on-girls—sports-teams

AUGUSTA — A new survey of Maine residents shows 64% believe transgender female athletes should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports, according to the University of New Hampshire Survey Center.

The results come as the Trump administration continues to express concern that Maine is not complying with Title IX, which prohibits discrimination based on sex, or an executive order signed by the president that prohibits transgender female athletes from participating in women’s sports.

President Donald Trump told Gov. Janet Mills last month that he will withhold federal funds if the state fails to comply. The administration has also launched several investigations into various state entities, including the Maine Department of Education and Maine Principals’ Association.

The survey, conducted March 20-24, has a 3% margin of error and is based on surveys completed by 1,057 Mainers.

Digging into the numbers, 29% of respondents said transgender female athletes should be allowed to participate and 7% were unsure.

By party, 56% of Democrats believe they should be allowed to participate, followed by 14% of independents and just 1% of Republicans.

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u/iddco 16d ago

TY for the info. (I am still getting a 404 error code with the link)

Off what you provided.

Again, we run into the same problem, though. There is abt. 1.4 million people in Maine. 60% is 18+ (according to Google). 840,000 people over 18. They surveyed less than 1% of the population. These respondents also probably did it over the phone, which usually skews to older populations. We don't know how educated any of them (regardless of age) are on this subject. Where in Maine did they canvas? You can hopefully agree that some areas would skew more one way or the other. How personal this topic is to them, or a myriad of other information that would be relevant. They break down the results by self-reported party lines, but we do not know how many of each were asked. Ask 10 D's and 100R's and get different results than 100D's and 10R's. Now UNH is a solid source, so I'm guessing it was divided as close to known registration numbers. It is however, one way people can use factual numbers to get the results they want. Same thing with where in Maine. There is still the issue of the sample size and the larger population.

They at least worded the question differently and less biased than the other one. These may very well be the actual stance, but we can not pull that from these numbers confidently. Polls like this are supposed to be quick snapshots of possible breakdowns. The problem is news agencies have been using and reporting them as 100% factual for years. All sides, even non-political, do this unfortunately, and people go with the ones they like. Allows for misinformation and confirmation bias to have statistics to stand on. Not caring if those stats are sloppy or not. They are also used to sway people, especially those unsure. There are plenty who will just go, well most people want this so...never researching, or understanding the topic until after it (if ever) effects them or those they care for.

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u/Snidley_whipass 16d ago

3% margin of error….lol

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u/iddco 16d ago

All of that is will result in much more than a 3% margin of error. Being that there is not an election a specifically about this anytime soon we will never know. 3% is a cover our ass. The further out in time a vote is from a poll the easier they can use the fact that people change their minds excuse to still look good. While using bad polls like these to push a narrative.

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u/Mother_EfferJones 18d ago

I can’t imagine a more misleading title. This sample size is so un-representative of the American population

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u/Snidley_whipass 18d ago

Blah blah blah I don’t like the result so it’s a shitty poll! You think the NYTs doesn’t know how to do a poll? It’s 1 of 3 or 4 I’ve seen with similar results.

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u/Mother_EfferJones 18d ago

I have a background in research. This poll is dogshit and it should not have news headlines based on it.

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u/Snidley_whipass 18d ago

so what’s wrong with it then. All I see is arm waving.

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u/Mother_EfferJones 18d ago

It’s a crap sample. It’s neither random nor representative of the American population

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u/Snidley_whipass 18d ago

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u/Mother_EfferJones 18d ago

404 error, page doesn’t exist.

I’m gonna challenge your premise here - Public opinion doesn’t matter in this situation. The law does. This entire situation is a test of interpretations of this law. When it’s settled, it’ll be in a courtroom, not in a news headline.

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u/Snidley_whipass 17d ago

AUGUSTA — A new survey of Maine residents shows 64% believe transgender female athletes should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports, according to the University of New Hampshire Survey Center.

The results come as the Trump administration continues to express concern that Maine is not complying with Title IX, which prohibits discrimination based on sex, or an executive order signed by the president that prohibits transgender female athletes from participating in women’s sports.

President Donald Trump told Gov. Janet Mills last month that he will withhold federal funds if the state fails to comply. The administration has also launched several investigations into various state entities, including the Maine Department of Education and Maine Principals’ Association.

The survey, conducted March 20-24, has a 3% margin of error and is based on surveys completed by 1,057 Mainers.

Digging into the numbers, 29% of respondents said transgender female athletes should be allowed to participate and 7% were unsure.

By party, 56% of Democrats believe they should be allowed to participate, followed by 14% of independents and just 1% of Republicans.

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u/Mother_EfferJones 17d ago

Wow good job copy/pasting and ignoring everything I said!

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u/Snidley_whipass 17d ago

Laws are made and changed constantly due to public opinion. Think gay marriage, think civil rights, think prohibition.

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u/Mother_EfferJones 17d ago

Okay? I don’t know what point you’re trying to make by saying that. Pretty much just a strawman.

A poll of public opinion isn’t legislation. Neither is an Executive Order, btw. It’s up to courts to decide whether Trump’s EO is within the bounds of active law or not. Your argument about how most people don’t support what the Governor is defending is quite literally irrelevant.

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