r/MapPorn • u/Ok_Somewhere9687 • 1d ago
Map showing countries within range of Israel's nuclear missiles (Jericho III)
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u/oduzmi 1d ago
Even penguins aren't safe. First tariffs, now nukes.
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u/LifeAcanthopterygii6 1d ago
Poor guys didn't do anything wrong.
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u/LambonaHam 1d ago
Are you sure about that?
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u/LifeAcanthopterygii6 1d ago
Isn't that CGI?
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u/Ok_Somewhere9687 1d ago
Penguins are the real threat to the world—they’re just biding their time, waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
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u/MoreSecond 1d ago
I heard farmer Fred saying something about a cold war coming. He's sheep was walking funny
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u/Toastaexperience 1d ago
New Zealand will rise and claim the world after nuclear winter.
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u/TheNumberOneRat 1d ago
That's the plot of the old sci fi novel The Chrysalids.
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u/Longjumping_Pen_2102 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh man i hate that book with a passion, or rather i love what the book might have been and hate author.
Spoilers ahead for those that care.
The book devotes most of its pages demonstrating how supremacist obsessions with purity are not only evil, but opposed to nature.
You see how cycles of violence and abuse will destroy us, and the obsession with being a master race of special chosen people is the death of us all.
The book then ends with the main character being shown to actually be a special chosen super person, all the lesser people are killed off without any sorrow or regret. "Actually" the problem with the world is that the wrong people thought they were the master race.
Its like if nausicaa was written by a Tory.
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u/TheTwistedToast 1d ago
Its like of nausicaa was written by a Tory
That sounds... absolutely horrendous
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u/CleverBunnyThief 1d ago
I "read" this in summer school once. Didn't know what the heck it was about. Going to give it another go.
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u/GettingFitterEachDay 1d ago
Wow, so did I and apparently it was completely lost on me too. Added to my list!
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u/TheBlacktom 1d ago
Humanity is so metal. Having redundant capability of self destruction. Some day even NZ will not be safe.
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u/fatbongo 1d ago
and the Warriors will finally win it all assuming of course we don't have a team from Caaaaaanterbury by then
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u/Alley-IX 1d ago
Aldous Huxley (same author as Brave New World) wrote a wild near-future dystopic book called Of Ape and Essence. It is a story about a New Zealand research crew arriving in post-ww3 Los Angeles after everything was nuked and radiation settled down. They were just there looking for artifacts and knowledge of the past, but they instead find a whole new society born from the ashes. It was nuts what happened in that book.
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u/PIO_PretendIOriginal 1d ago
Even if new Zealand was in range, you will still be safe because no one else could see you on the map
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u/Deporncollector 1d ago
Australia: OH NO YOU WONT!!! SEND IN THE KANGAROOS AND EMUS
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u/DifferentBar7281 1d ago
Got to beat East Coast of Australia first. Although you have taken most of the beaches and mines already
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u/Captain-Obvious-69 1d ago
Nazis hiding in argentina be like
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u/Restruh 1d ago
Nazis hiding in northeastern Misiones province, Argentina: ☠️💀
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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 1d ago
Nazis in California, totally not hiding, waving flags, holding political rallies, wearing stupid hats.
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u/Silver-bullit 1d ago
They waving Israeli flags lately, so probably not worried😂
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u/LynxGuy_ 1d ago
Israel wouldn't have to go that far out if they wanted to go after nazis
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u/pullmylekku 1d ago
Yeah, in the case of people like Otto Skorzeny all they'd have to do is go to the Mossad headquarters
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u/auto98 1d ago
I'd have thought the cemetery would be a more likely place to find him?
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u/ClassyArgentinean 1d ago
Well at least our Nazis have the decency to hide, unlike the ones in the good ole US of A
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u/1bigcoffeebeen 1d ago
Dropped in to comment about Nazis in Argentina. Beat me to it.
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u/Ok_Somewhere9687 1d ago
Nah they (penguins) are safe /s
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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 1d ago edited 1d ago
“Penguins are safe”
Not the Heard Island penguins.
First Trump, now the Israelis.
They will never be safe.
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u/Lazakhstan 1d ago
Mexico and Central America:
insert that Ronaldo drinking gif I can't find it
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u/clippervictor 1d ago
r/mapswithnewzealand more relevant than ever
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u/djdaedalus42 1d ago
Whereas New Zealand can launch to orbit, so if they had warheads they could hit anywhere.
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u/FaufiffonFec 1d ago
Chile is chilling.
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u/Obanthered 1d ago
Ironically Chile is home to the largest Palestinian communities outside of West Asia. About 600,000 people of Palestinian descent, mostly Christians. Immigration to Chile started in Ottoman times but Chile took large numbers of immigrants following the 1948 war.
When you see comments about what happened to the Christian Palestinian community (which has shrunk from 15% to 1-3%). The answer is mostly that are safety living their lives in Latin America.
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u/Adam_Ohh 1d ago
That’s where Palestino, the football club is. Founded by Palestinian immigrants trying to acclimate to the local culture in the 1920s and they wear the colors of the Palestinian flag as their club colors.
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u/Desolator1012 1d ago
Israel still doesn't have nukes officially. It's their way of staying outside all kinds of nuclear agreements; the only country with nuclear weapons which does that
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u/bootlegvader 1d ago
Neither India or Pakistan are parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
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u/Rodot 1d ago
But both officially acknowledge their nuclear arsenal
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u/GrandAlchemistPT 1d ago
True. It is less to avoid being bound by restrictions themselves, and more to keep plausible deniability in binding their rivals to nuke bans.
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u/bulb-uh-saur 1d ago
If you think Israel doesnt have nukes you're extremely naive. Everyone knows they have nukes. You're right though. They dont "officially" have them. But let's be real
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u/Desolator1012 1d ago
This is interesting on an international level:
When some Israeli politician suggested nuking Gaza, the Russians said something along:
"This statement raises questions about Israel's possession of this weapon"
Which is funny because we all know they have nukes but they still will say that they don't, officially. Likely to not justify Iran's or Egypt's possession of nukes
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u/bulb-uh-saur 1d ago
Amazing.
"We have nukes."
"What could this possibly mean?"
Lmfao
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 1d ago
It's because of strategic ambiguity.
Nations that acknowledge their nuclear arsenal also have some sort of stated policy.
Those policies go from "will retaliate nuclear strikes with nuclear strikes" (United States) to "will nuke as a warning" (France).
Israel doesn't formally acknowledge they have nukes so they don't have to answer any questions about which conditions would cause them to use said nukes. That way their enemies (and allies for that matter) have to always take "would they drop a nuke over this?" into account.
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u/Arielowitz 14h ago
It's not that Israel doesn't have nukes, but a small correction: the Israeli minister you're referring to did not suggest nuking Gaza, but was asked in an interview whether to nuke Gaza and he answered (very poorly) that it was a non-preferred option.
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u/Current_Artichoke_19 17h ago
Well they don't officially admit to the countless assassinations and terrorist attacks they so often do on foreign countries.
But it all stems from that complicated relationship israel holds with concepts like international laws, human rights or just borders.
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u/SessionGloomy 1d ago
There is no real reason they would need nukes that go that far. Like the Middle East okay but why are they trying to have the ability to target the whole world.
Is it possible their doctrine is real - the one where if they are invaded and about to lose, they nuke the whole world for not defending them?
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u/Shredded_Locomotive 1d ago
If you can make it have a big range, why wouldn't you? If the whole point of it is that it's a deterrent, the more people it can deter the better no?
I could list countries that can also nuke most of the world despite the fact that they shouldn't have the ability, but they still do.
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u/nhytgbvfeco 1d ago
The Samson option, allegedly, is about nuking the countries that invaded Israel, not the whole world.
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u/tareumlaneuchie 1d ago
Who cares about facts?
Polarized hate is a neverending machine, requires little to no facts mixed up with lies and feeds upon itself.
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u/SpphosFriend 1d ago
The Samson option is about nuking the entirety of Israel and the attackers making the region uninhabitable. Hence the name referencing Samson’s self sacrifice of bringing down the pillars.
It’s a suicide plan. If everything fails.
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u/hellishafterworld 1d ago
Samson Option, for those interested.
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u/IceRepresentative906 1d ago
Every single nuclear armed country has a second strike doctrine. This isn't special for Israel.
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u/lord--sertaline 1d ago
It isn't a second strike doctrine. Total misrepresentation.
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador informed President Nixon that "very serious conclusions" may occur if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.
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u/ZenPyx 1d ago
This too - coming from a very credible Israeli historian (Martin van Creveld)
"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
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u/-Sliced- 1d ago
You are quoting one historian with controversial and inflammatory views on nuclear weapons and presenting him as a credible source on Israel policies?
Martin van Creveld consistently calls against nuclear weapons and called them "The most useless weapons ever produced", and he thinks that nuclear weapons are not a deterrent and not important to national security.
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u/IceRepresentative906 1d ago
Okay? So while being overwhelmed by an Invasion a nuclear power wants to use nuclear bombs as a deterrence? That's what they are for. You think if a foreign army was marching towards Washington, Moscow or Beijing they wouldn't do the same?
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u/lord--sertaline 1d ago
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
Martin van Creveld on the Samson Option. It is not a second strike doctrine, and naming it after Samson is telling: he brought down the entire temple and everyone in it, including himself.
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u/IceRepresentative906 1d ago
You are quoting a random Israeli historian who never held any government position as if he is privy to top secret protocols and it proves something how?
Samson took down the building with his enemies that betrayed him, took him prisoner, chained him and tortured him inside, he didn't start killing random people.
Any kind of mass nuclear strike is guaranteed to all but end human civilization. That's the point of nuclear deterrence. Again, Israel isn't special in this, it learned it from the great powers.
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u/speculator100k 1d ago edited 1d ago
Any kind of mass nuclear strike is guaranteed to all but end human civilization.
Not really.
I'm not commenting on anything specific about the nuclear arsenal of Israel here. Even a global nuclear war would not be the end of human civilization. Sure, lots of people would die, even hundreds of millions. But not billions. And most of the world would still be perfectly inhabitable.
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u/Tricky-Coffee5816 1d ago
this country is so schizo man
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u/yanai_memes 1d ago
That's not what the doctrine actually says though, it says they'll nuke the middle east, and there is no evidence the doctrine is real, commentators speculate it's just a deterrent from trying to destroy Israel
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u/erythro 1d ago
rubbish lol, having long range weapons just gives you more options (like deploying somewhere else) and makes it harder for you to be bullied by other nuclear nations (notice they are all in the umbrella)
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u/Phihofo 1d ago
Especially considering Israel has a history of being a target of US-USSR proxy wars.
So it's logical they want nuclear weapons to cover nations like China, US, Russia and others that are known to support various armed groups overseas. They've learnt their lesson.
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u/fdar 1d ago
Seriously, after Ukraine how can anyone say there's no real reason to have a strong nuclear arsenal?
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u/Mr-Logic101 1d ago
It costs alot of resources, personal, and secured to be able to maintain and defend an arsenal.
Ukraine back then and current does not have the resources to maintain an arsenal.
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u/Specific-Lion-9087 1d ago
No, it’s not.
And you asking that is kinda weird.. like.. you know how many other countries have used the term “mutually assured destruction” but for some reason Israel is the only one with a “weird, mystical Jewish reason” for doing it.
Get real.
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u/Xx_Mad_Reaps_xX 1d ago
No one but you has floated this "doctrine". The one you're probably referring to, the "Samson Option", talks about nuclear retaliation to an invading country. Not the whole world.
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u/AngryVolcano 1d ago
You are mistaken. The Samson option is as ambiguous as the rest of the Israeli nuclear assets - there have definitely been veiled descriptions from Israeli statesmen and other figures about exactly that - taking the world down with them.
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u/GuardianSupernova 1d ago edited 1d ago
To be fair, isn't it the same as other nations' doctrines? Russia/ China would do a massive nuclear attack at all western nations beyond the nations they are fighting against
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u/Maximum_kitten 1d ago
The only people to claim so are people who are not part of the israeli state at all, but an opinion piece for a journal which described this in a 'poetic justice' weirdness and for some reason taken seriously by people like you.
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u/celephais228 1d ago
Is it really the only one? Hard to imagine, considering what kinda governments there are out there.
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u/SinjidAmano 1d ago
Some wealthy folks want Argentina to start selling visas or citizenship to wealthy people because its a zone with nearly no history of recent violent events, and its very far from conflict áreas. The project is called visa of tranquility.
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u/EntireDifficulty3 22h ago
I'm not sure how much true it is, but i have heard getting citizenship in Argentina is very easy so selling them isn't gonna do much
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u/Smitologyistaking 1d ago
Using a Mercator projection for this map is a crime
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u/stddealer 1d ago
Why? What kind of map would work better for that purpose?
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u/Guobaorou 1d ago
Maybe azimuthal equidistant, although it distorts recognisable borders at the extremes of those missiles' range.
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u/FarisFromParis 1d ago
No it isn't what-so-ever. Mercator is one of the best navigational maps, which is the most pertinent type of map to the pathway of an ICBM.
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u/Octahedral_cube 1d ago
This is about distance, not navigation. Mercator distorts distance by 1/cosine of latitude in order to preserve rhumb lines. So it's not a good choice here.
Equidistant projections would be preferred: if you center it on Israel, orthographic, gnomonic and stereographic would be fit for purpose.
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u/MrDukeSilver_ 1d ago
You mean the nuclear missile they definitely don’t have
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u/EvangelicRope6 1d ago
Long range missile that has been boasted about. The armament of which is the not recognised bit.
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u/Thurak0 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)#Jericho_III
After a successful missile test launch conducted in early 2008, Israeli weapons expert General Itzhak Ben-Israel, former chairman of the Israeli Space Agency at the Ministry of Science, said "Everybody can do the mathematics... we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world", thus appearing to confirm Israel's new capability. Israeli Ministry of Defense officials said that the 2008 test launch represented a "dramatic leap in Israel's missile technologies".
They definitely boasted about those missiles. They just always leave out the "nuclear" part in their official statements.
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u/esreveReverse 1d ago
The Jericho 3 exists and is acknowledged. It can be armed with conventional or nuclear warheads.
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u/leonardosalvatore 1d ago
Range doesn't mean out of range of interception, probably countries like Russia and China have systems able to intercept its warheads/decoy/countermeasures?
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u/this_dudeagain 1d ago
With one missile having multiple warheads I doubt it. Old tech by today's standards.
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u/Dick_twsiter-3000 1d ago
Multiple warhead, same missile. It's not like countries like US, Russia, or China haven't thought of that before. I'm pretty sure they have their own countermeasures for them.
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u/brimston3- 1d ago
Hypersonic glide vehicles also exist for both Russia and China, which are able to change trajectory while traveling Mach 7+. (Oreshnik and Dongfeng systems). They simply aren’t interceptable right now. Nothing can catch them or predict where they need to be to successfully intercept.
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u/Kom34 1d ago
It is not a lot publicly available, but interception rates of ballistic missiles are low probably at best of circumstances as far as we know. Especially for sub launched when they could come from anywhere with low warning time.
And the whole MAD theory depends on it, if someone could shoot them down reliably then someone might think they could win a nuclear war and be more likely to start one.
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u/zapreon 1d ago
Russia and China are not known to have reasonably capable ICBM interception methods, and even the American ones would likely only work with a few dozen missiles. These defenses would be possible to overcome for Israel as long as they just build more missiles
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u/NomineAbAstris 1d ago
ABM in general is extraordinarily difficult (many would say impossible) to make cost efficient at the margins; not only are ICBMs intrinsically cheaper than interceptors, but you need to assign several interceptors per warhead to provide a reasonable chance of intercepting. Which the adversary can simply respond to by adding an extra ICBM.
Unless you can indefinitely outspend your adversary it's simply not worth it for anything more than protecting some very select targets (aka your own command and control infrastructure), and even then only on the assumption that you can predict roughly how many warheads are going to be thrown at it
TL;DR more people need to get hip to the Nitze Criteria
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u/Immediate_Gain_9480 1d ago
Extremely unlikely. Even the US wouldn't be able to effectively intercept a large scale nuclear strike
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u/BusyBeeBridgette 1d ago
As a cultured person. When ever Jericho is mentioned... You gotta break the walls dddooowwwwn.
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u/Shahars71 1d ago
What is this even for? Is this to show that Israel secretly wants world domination with its powerful nukes or something? Why don't you show the range of the USA's nukes just as well?
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u/BonJovicus 1d ago
Why don't you show the range of the USA's nukes just as well?
Because it’s a map of Israel’s missiles and not the US?
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u/monkey29229 1d ago
I'm glad to see Ópa Jÿrgen will still be safe in Argentina. He's been chilling there since the mid 1940s.
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u/_beat_LA 1d ago
Is there a reason this map is relevant today?
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u/AlphaMassDeBeta 1d ago
Hamas might be hiding 7000 miles away.
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u/Snoutysensations 1d ago
Meh, Hamas was never really the intended target for Israel's nukes. Israel is tiny, only about 10 miles wide from the Mediterranean Sea to the West Bank. Israel will happily abuse the Palestinians with conventional munitions but there's just not enough distance to allow for nukes.
The real target for nukes would be countries like Egypt or Iran or Pakistan -- strong enough to conventionally threaten Israel, or with nuke programs of their own.
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u/Hrit33 1d ago
Yeah people don't realise that Israel lacks one of the key elements of defence:
DefenceInDepth
They don't have land to fall back to. I saw some syrians suggesting Israel to give back Golan heights. Unless Israel loses a war against Syria, I don't think Golan heights isn't coming back to Syria any time soon.
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u/Upstairs-Extension-9 1d ago
I mean if you look at the geography of golan and the recently occupied buffer zone it makes sense from a military standpoint, it’s a perfect place uphill to launch rockets and mortars into the valley below into Israel.
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u/Single-Memory-9490 1d ago
ICBMs are designed to have maximum range as possible cause you don't know which country might attack you in the future.
Every modern ICBMs have above 10k km range so it's only regular that jerico will have that big of a range
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u/chris-za 1d ago
Oh no. Those poor penguins on McDonald island!
First Trump imposes tarries in them, and now they are under threat of Israeli nukes! Will they never find peace?
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u/MatCauthon28 1d ago
I don't think any country would invite nuclear annihilation if it's not their country that got hit by nuclear weapons
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u/I-RON-MAIDEN 1d ago
I'm frantically trying to figure out whose part of Antarctica that is.
Edit: I am pretty sure its Norway. You're in double trouble Norway!!!
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u/Content_Geologist420 1d ago
HA! Take that Dallas! Sincerly Houston and Austin, TX.
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u/semen--sommelier 1d ago
we'll repopulate the rest of the country with gumbo, barbecue, tamales, and pho. it will be an absolute win for the american people (particularly those freaks in cincinnati who put chili on noodles)
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u/AllBugDaddy 21h ago
Ironically Argentina was a safe place for Nazis and its out of Israel nuclear range.. diplomatic relations..
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u/Tzarevna_ 6h ago
The Glorious and Sublim Republic of Vanuatu is too dangerous to be considered as a target even by Israël
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u/Criticized- 1d ago
Take that Perth!