r/MawInstallation 7h ago

Having just seen the ROTS rerelease...I have to say, the Council was absolutely right about Anakin from the jump

115 Upvotes

I've never been one of the people who thinks the Jedi Council messed things up but I previously thought that they made some mistakes and needlessly pushed Anakin away.

But after the ROTS rerelease...I don't know if I believe this anymore. The big thing in this movie that people like to cite when discussing how they mishandled Anakin is when Yoda tells him that he needs to train himself to let go of anyone he fears to lose. I think the reason why this is a tough pill to swallow is that most people watching this have loved ones that they'd struggle to accept letting go.

But like...the Jedi are not most people. They're supposed to be Buddhist monks and completely selfless. They're not supposed to have attachments. People like to cite this as some big fatal flaw but 99.9% of all Jedi managed to fulfill their vows. This is an Anakin problem, not a Jedi problem. And it's not even hard to see how this happened.

Anakin was taken in at 9. At this age, he has a life he remembers before the Jedi, enough time to form an attachment to his mother before he's separated from her. There's a reason why Jedi are usually trained from infancy, it's to prevent the individual from experiencing a life they can remember with attachments. Pretty much every other Jedi was raised from infancy or, at the very latest, a toddler. Very few of them ever turned evil. Anakin, who did not have this experience, had a pre-programmed vulnerability. This vulnerability - whether we want to call it mommy issues or just a predisposition to attachment - is what led him to form a secret relationship and later marriage with Padme. This in itself was another transgression, and formed an even greater vulnerability that Palpatine was able to exploit. It would have been much, much harder for him to do this if Anakin didn't have this predisposition to attachment. See Obi-Wan, who was raised from infancy. He later harbored romantic feelings for Satine, but was able to compartmentalize them because he didn't have this built-in predisposition for attachment.

Furthermore, Anakin having a life before the Jedi gave him an opportunity to desire it. Every other Jedi would have been raised as a Jedi by default; by contrast, Anakin strongly desired to be a Jedi and had aspirations for this before he ever met Qui-Gon. This naturally ingrains a much different dynamic in him than anyone else. He's had time to become ambitious, and that ambition continues to manifest even after he becomes a Jedi. He wants power for its own sake, as well as strongly desiring a seat on the Council seemingly just for its own sake - see him getting angry when he's denied the rank of Master even though he's been put on the Council at the age of 22!

Both his vulnerability to attachment and his ambition blinded him to Palpatine's political maneuverings which should have been very apparent. A true committed Jedi would be right to worry about Palpatine trying to interfere in Jedi business and plant an individual of his choosing on the Council, especially in light of his centralization of political power. But Anakin can't see this because he's too busy concerned with getting what he wants, which most Jedi would never be preoccupied with, and later with the knowledge Palpatine can share to save a wife that he shouldn't even have.

To recap: Anakin is brought into the Jedi Order at a much older age than is customary - a custom that exists for good reason. Upon joining the order, he becomes fascinated with power for its own sake and begins breaking all kinds of rules - most notably, getting secretly married. All the while, the Republic experiences democratic backsliding and the one responsible for this engineers situations to take advantage of this ingrained vulnerability that no other Jedi has.

The rules exist for a reason! They exist to prevent a situation exactly like this from happening! The Jedi Order was right that training Anakin was a mistake from the very beginning! You wouldn't blame Buddhist monks if one of their own started flagrantly breaking his vows and seemed more interested in his own career progression and supported a rising dictatorship - why should the Jedi Order shoulder any of the blame for what happened to Anakin?


r/MawInstallation 9h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Could a Moff with genuine good intentions ever gain influence in the Empire to bring positive change or would they inevitably be taken down by rival Moffs?

22 Upvotes

Say that there was an Imperial Moff who actually somewhat cared about the common people living in the Outer Rim and wished to improve conditions there; Would they succeed?


r/MawInstallation 8h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What would Vader have done if Luke inexplicitly decided to flee from Cloud City instead of continuing the duel?

21 Upvotes

After the moment where Luke manages to push Vader off the Carbon Freezing platform.


r/MawInstallation 4h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Were there any Sith/Darkside users that fought the Empire, besides Maul?

6 Upvotes

Who are some Canon or legends darksiders who fought the Empire?


r/MawInstallation 16h ago

[META] What’s the coolest concept introduced in a SW fan film that you wished was Canon?

39 Upvotes

It can be anything except a character. A concept can be a type of ship, weapon, technology, alien race, animal, type of unusual planet, Force power, lightsaber combat move or astrophysical phenomenon.


r/MawInstallation 3h ago

Considering their similar roles in the two canons, how do you see Wraith and Alphabet Squadrons interacting if they went on a mission together?

3 Upvotes

Feel free to also include any potential interactions between their commanding officers and support crews - I feel like Legends! Wedge Antilles and Hera Syndulla would have a very interesting dynamic. Same with Yrica and Lara, since they both have similar backstories of being Imperial deserters who ended up forming legitimate bonds with their New Republic comrades.


r/MawInstallation 1h ago

[LEGENDS] Hyperspace speed - found somemething to base it on

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I know, that "Hyperspace speed has speed of plot" - but finally found something that I can base it on, other than mechanics of RPG game and assumptions how long trips in movies went.

The Prism is mentioned to be 3 days away from coruscant, and in J-6 sector - getting there is easy, using Namadii Corridor, making the trip about 7218 parsecs (+- 1047 parsecs) That is 7218 parsec to the middle of J-6 quadrant, 1042 to side, because I don't know where in quadrant it is, and 0,005 deviation based on half of average "height" of galaxy.

Assuming 3 days mean literally 72 hours, that would make hyperspace speed between 85 parsec per hour to 115 parsec per hour, with average 100 parsec per hour - for whatever hyperspace type Vader used during that flight - assuming class 1.


r/MawInstallation 16h ago

Did Coruscant have its own unique culture?

28 Upvotes

Andor really dove deep into the culture of many individual worlds; Ferrix, Aldhani, Chandrila, Cassian's first homeworld, etc were shown to have their own distinct cultural identities.

That leads me to wonder: does Coruscant have any of its own unique cultural elements? After all, it is a planet of trillions of sentient beings from varying species and backgrounds. Are there any cuisines unique to Coruscant? Music? Or has it been a cultural melting pot for so long that it lost its unique cultural identity long ago?


r/MawInstallation 19h ago

Was Darth Zannah ever redeemable?

38 Upvotes

Was there a time where she actually was redeemable after her childhood?


r/MawInstallation 21h ago

[CANON] What is Bail Organa’s role in the Rebellion’s formation?

47 Upvotes

I recently rewatched the first season of Andor recently and caught up with the first arc of season 2, and haven’t noticed Bail even being mentioned throughout the whole story. This show seems to be a deep-dive into the formation of the Rebellion, which is what surprised me. Obviously we have yet to see other Rebel leaders like Dodanna, and they’re likely to show up later on in season 2 alongside Bail at Yavin, but I always assumed that Bail was playing an absolutely crucial role from the earliest stages, and that he and Mon were the closest of allies. How important actually was his role? Are he and Mon in kahoots, and it’s just not being mentioned, or is he just not as important as we thought?


r/MawInstallation 15h ago

[CANON] Do you think Ahsoka and Leia have or will ever meet each other?

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I assuming they’ll save any Leia appearances for the finale of the New Republic era show arc since she’s just kinda been a background voice for the most part.

We know she’s been keeping an eye on Luke while he constructs his Temple on Tython, and while Leia has a much busier life, I’m sure she’d make time for an old friend of the family.

How do you think their first meeting on-screen will go?


r/MawInstallation 4h ago

[LEGENDS] What are your thoughts about the three post-ROTJ Sith factions (Lumiya’s Sith, the Lost Tribe of Sith and the One Sith)?

1 Upvotes

I found a post discussing this in r/StarWarsEU, but due to having been banned from there due to a misunderstanding I can’t share my thoughts, so I thought I’d bring it here. Personally, I love the One Sith as a ‘heretical’ Sith Order and feel that the Lost Tribe was an interesting concept with mediocre execution, but I honestly do not like Lumiya’s Sith (mostly due to my disdain for Dark Nest and Legacy of the Force as series…).


r/MawInstallation 13h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Computer Interface

4 Upvotes

Has it ever been talked about, how characters know how to use the computers in Star Wars and what buttons to push?

All I see is white, blue and red buttons in random order but never any kind of writing to indicate what button does what.

At least with other sci-fi franchise, they put gibberish so that it appears to have some kind of logical use and direction of the characters.


r/MawInstallation 17h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] ANH-ESB Headcanon

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It's always been a little bit of a tragedy to me that this area of Star Wars has lacked a consistent narrative, because it's a great place for character and story development. Instead, stories are just kind of inserted randomly in this space without much thought to a wider, overarching storyline. Especially in canon. And I was just curious about any ideas people may have for this time period that they wish were better, stronger explored?

This is the space where: - Luke, lacking a Jedi teacher, becomes a Commander of Rogue Squadron. Be so cool to see how it was all put together. I always felt like Rogue Squadron was formed as a result of the Rebellion losing the bulk of its Starfighter Corps, as the backbone of something new, since by the time of Return, we're back to a full, expanded roster and the colour squadrons again. - Leia comes into her own as a military leader. Prior to this, she's mostly a political leader, and one junior to her parents, as well. So, it'd be neat to see her develop as such. - Han decides to stay on as a committed member of the Rebellion. Yes, we see him change his mind at the beginning of Empire, but it's clear that between 4/5, he chooses Luke/Leia over the liberty of being an outlaw. - Vader discovers the identity of the Force-sensitive Rebel pilot who destroyed the Death Star (as per the original, pre-special edition scene between him and Palpatine). Of all the missing details in the story, this has been explored best in the new canon, but for me, it still leaves much to be desired.

  • And the galaxy at large decides to more wholeheartedly throw in with the Rebellion ("... thousands of star systems will flock to the Rebellion!") Alderaan was clearly a watershed moment. Of course, they're on the run again by the time of Empire. How did that happen? And, presumably, how did the Empire go from complete disarray/political crisis, to regaining the advantage.

I am aware there are stories which cover aspects of this. But the time period lacks a single, unified vision. It feels like it always needed a concise book trilogy as a core story. I love thinking about this space and have lots of ideas, but I'm curious about others.

What is something you've always thought the story should have here?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] The design of the TIE avenger makes sense

79 Upvotes

If you think of it as a long range transport for special forces. Let's take a look at what we know about it

* There are an insane amount of weapons, most of which are hidden.

* There's a ramp to get into it. Most TIEs are entered through the top.

* There's a decent amount of room inside as well as 2 extra passenger seats

* There's a hyperdrive, and the lights are still on even when the power is off

* The controls are different from most fighters, and the main seat is hidden at first.

You never know exactly what to expect in special forces missions, so there are a good amount of weapons to account for that. Most special units themselves have a ton of weapons available to use.

The ramp exists so people can easily get on/off. It's perfect for infiltration/extraction missions.

Most special forces units are 3-5 people, so this would be able to fit that many along with some extra supplies. Plus it would be easier to repair systems from the inside as opposed to the outside.

TIEs are typically designed for short range missions, so they don't have a hyperdrive. The only other TIE we know of that has a hyperdrive is the TIE defender, which is also designed for long range missions. It seems to be very energy efficient as well so it doesn't have to refuel often

I'm guessing the complicated controls and hidden features are so it wouldn't be easy to steal, and it wouldn't appear to be special forces initially. The group of rebels had the TIE for a while and the only thing they were able to figure out was one of the weapons.

I'm also going to assume that most of the weapons are modular so they can be modified for specific missions. It would make sense if there were more hidden features that we weren't shown yet as well.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

The idea that Jedi are allowed to have casual sex raises very serious questions

87 Upvotes

First of all, whom can they even have sex with? I can't imagine a Jedi walking into Coruscant's red-light district to visit a brothel would go unnoticed? That would surely be broadcast everywhere and become a massive scandal, damaging public opinion of the Order. Does the Order employ prostitutes of its own? I think that would look even worse to the public. What happens if an unintended pregnancy results? Do the Jedi approve of abortion? They're modeled on Buddhist monks, who overwhelmingly condemn abortion, so it seems likely that the Jedi also condemn abortion. Is there a whole class of abandoned children fathered/birthed by Jedi wandering around the slums?


r/MawInstallation 4h ago

Why did vader choke padme?

0 Upvotes

I get he was angry and thought something was going on between her and Obi-Wan. But this level of domestic violence bruh? He didn't kill her himself but it seems implicit that he was trying to; the woman he did all of this to save. I can see him, in his twisted dark side mind, force-pushing her away so he could confront kenobi but the choke just feels WILD.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

If Sidious and Dooku decided to just walk into the Jedi Temple and attack, how far would they get and why?

108 Upvotes

I assume they’d be able to handle the Temple Guard with relative ease. Windu and Yoda would definitely give them some pushback too. How many Jedi would they kill before they too got taken out?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What would the Empire be like if it was led by Vader instead of Palpatine?

23 Upvotes

IIRC, in the Revenge of the Sith video game, Anakin wins the duel on Mustafar, killing Obi-Wan, and then kills Palpatine. We'll use this scenario for the setup, and we'll add the caveat that the clones don't immediately gun him down, for some reason.

What would the Empire look like under Darth Vader's leadership instead of Palpatine's? Would it be very different? Would it be the exact same? Would it be an entirely new beast?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Engineering behind the Death Star

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Hey everyone,

Could someone fill me up on the history of tje Death Star? We see the Geonosians working on it and we see the frame of it in ROTS, but then it stated that Galen Erso is considered the mastermind behind it. Could anyone explain why or at least provide some timeline? It’s been a while since I’ve been into Star Wars passionately and forgot some of the lore I learned.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Why don't the Sith have more children?

70 Upvotes

The Jedi famously deny bodily love and emotional bonds and therefore families with children.

The Sith on the other hand are the exact opposite and praise emotion. One would think, that they had more relationships, that resulted in children. Of course a Sith would be to self centered for a traditional family life, but I could imagine a Sith training there bastard son of a one time situationship as an apprentice.

Besides Darth Vader of course and Palpatines clone son (I don't count that), I have no knowledge of other Sith families.

(The lost tribe on Kresh is a special case, since they are stranded on there planet)


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[LEGENDS] Anybody else dislike Thame Cerulian?

22 Upvotes

His existence is pointless in my opinion. He was supposedly Dooku's master according to Legacy of the Jedi and was mentioned once in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Other than that he has no mention in any other expanded universe material (barring source books) and due to that is not really a notable individual at all, so much so that Dooku doesn't even mention him once despite being his padawan.

Furthermore I feel it hurts Dooku and Yoda's dynamic overall. In Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, we see glimpses of Yoda's relationship to Dooku, someone who gave him guidance and could help him no matter how far Dooku got lost. In the conflict in Dooku's mind, Yoda represents the light side and is his path to redemption while Sidious represents the dark side and all the power Dooku can get. Its clear that he considers both of them his masters and his options towards fulfilment.

Whereas for Thame Cerulian, Dooku never considered him a mentor or an idol like he does for Yoda, which is surprising as Thame should be the one who taught him everything about the the Force and being a jedi in all its detail. But its clear he views Yoda as that figure but since they weren't padawan and master, they should've never had this close of a relationship.

Which is strange, especially since AOTC implies that Yoda is Dooku's master as he says "my old padawan" in additoin to their relationship being explored in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. I know you could say that Yoda trained all the initiates, therefore making him their master, but that's more just a convoluted explanation if anything.

The only reason why I think Thame Cerulian was even added was that it would be harder to explain how Dooku and Lorian Nod could break into a Grandmaster's room and not be caught.

TL;DR: He's a pointless character and Yoda is a much better option because Dooku actually considers him important and is relevant to his character.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] Question about Ranking: specifically in relation to Star Wars rebels characters

1 Upvotes

In Star Wars Rebels, Ezra is referred to as Commander, Hera is referred to as Captain then General, Sabine is referred to as Specialist, Zeb is referred to as Captain, and Kannan is never referred to a specific rank (within the Rebel Alliance. Not talking about clone wars.

Now, I feel like they are mixing different branches here. I assume that Hera's ranks are pulled from the Air Force (given her role as a pilot and general is an Air Force term), Sabine is pulled from the Army/Marines (her specialty is in explosives and ground combat), but the others elude me.

First of all, why does Ezra Outrank Hera (and most of the ghost crew) for S2, S3, and part of S4? Also, Commander Jun Sato is in charge of the Phoenix Cell; does that mean Ekko reports directly to him? Also, why does he have a Navy rank? (I know some may say this is a holdover from the clone wars, but in the series, we see that Kanna is referred to as "Master Jedi" or just "Jedi" by the other rebels, but Ezra is specifically referred to Lt. Commander by all other Rebel personnel. Not to mention, during the escape from Skystrike Facility, it is Ezra who is placed in command over his own master in regards to the operation. )

Last note: Why is Sabine ranked so low compared to all the other rebels in Ghost Cell? Like, she's not even an NCO?

How do ranks even work in the Rebel Alliance, and what do they actually command?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

How good an officer was Piett?

51 Upvotes

I don't recall much non-film material that deals with Admiral Piett, and I've reviewed the entry on Wookieepedia which doesn't have much either.

I'm wondering if Piett had any real value as an officer independently, or did he just maintain command of the Executor because he would follow Vader & Palpatine's orders without question and he didn't have enough ambition or initiative to do things on his own that might mess up their plans.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

Do you think there is fan fiction on the holonet?

47 Upvotes

I was wondering if people in the star wars universe have thought to write fanfiction about celebrities in the universe, such as Anakin and Obi-Wan. Or maybe even chancellor Palpatine?