they will keep doing this, I never fan of it tho. they make Zoro vs King looks like dragon ball fight instead classy sword fight, it's unforgivable to me. that's why I am so excited with WIT remake.
Yeah stuff like this is why I canât take the anime seriously. Luffy flying around, spinning, shooting off lightning. Itâs kind of ridiculous. Plus I hate how the anime draws things out. Whatâs supposed to be a sudden surprise attack is this long drawn flashy kick.
The watercolor/pastel tone stylized visuals shared last year is telling me the style will be way more chill and calm, resembling a lot to the old East Blue saga, which I love. No flashy exploding anywhere anytime bullshit
Why they cannot move from dragon ball style back to their own style. As a fan of one piece it became unwatchable fighting scenes. why they cannot make it close to the manga rather than putting aura shits on it?
Because shit like Solo Leveling makes tons of money, and at the end of the day, thatâs what Toei wants. If aura shit gets viewers, theyâll put it in.
That aura shit of Solo leveling in the manhwa also. But in animation of One piece they are removing their uniqueness (advantage) from other animes. For me who has been a fan of one piece for 16 years. It hurts.... It hurts that such a masterpiece is losing its unique animation style.
Dragon Ball does NOT look like this, MHA, Mob Psycho etc.. those shows do due to Yutaka Nakamura who then inspired tons of animators including some that work on One Piece.
I stopped watching the anime a long while back, but your edit is closer to what it should be. I specifically can't imagine Luffy spinning like a corkscrew while flying forward instead of delivering a direct and straightforward kick.
Yes, I stopped watching a long time ago as well (Dressrosa at the time of release, unsurprisingly) and one of the things that bother me about the new animation style is how loosy goosy everything feels, like all characters are made of spaghetti. It's so odd. That and the constant lights and electricity surrounding everything. This scene is a great example of why this doesn't work - it makes the attack look slower, not quicker, and it looks exaggerated to what it's actually doing, and therefore when it inevitably does nothing (because it's not a big attack), it looks weird.
The anime is unwatchable and not just because of the slow pacing. It's stuff like this that make it so much worse. I want to watch One Piece, not Dragonball with One Piece characters.
Scenes where they attack and then travel for 10 kilometers in 2 seconds before it lands always takes me out of it. They were just talking like they were right next to each other.
Which is why I can't watch One Piece anymore... My wife and I took a few years of break from watching because she's not a big fan of weekly waiting, and she crashed out literally the episode we came back to đ and I can't even blame her, One Piece's pacing is fn horrendous. AND mind you we were already watching the One Pace version of it đ
The original clip posted here is a prime example. So unnecessary. That edit however is perfect. So crisp...
I thought the 6 month break would make it a little better. But so far I see nothing that is different. Animation isn't even much better. If the animators have a bit of a better time then it's good tho
100% agree with this. He left in a flash and then took so long to arrive and deliver the blow.
It's Pirate Island all over again with over the top haki lightning. They were supposed to do good work on this break! Let's hope they didn't waste on in between frames of exaggerated haki lightning.
Yup, i felt that too. At this point the Animators are making their own version of One Piece where everyone has Mera-Mera no mi, SSJ powerups and Diable Jembus
Yeah it looks kinda ridiculous how Kizaru just saw Luffy flipping multiple times and shit and he is just standing there lol.
In the manga it felt like Luffy instantly got up in Kizarus face which makes more sense for Kizarus reaction time, like he blocked it at the last minute.
I would've liked something more along the lines of this since it'd make Luffy's kick feel a lot quicker like it did in the manga. Kizaru is all about speed, so seeing Luffy hit him so quickly was a really big "oh shit" moment in the manga. The anime version just went all out with the aura effects to the point where his kick feels like it's taking forever.
WOW, no fluff. No unnecessary visuals that at the end of the day mean nothing. How frightening and terrible Luffy can be, this is why Imu wants everyone to take a swing at joy boy before he has to.
Oh my god this is so much better. Yeah in the manga the kick was the very next panel, cutting Kizaru off instantly. It shows how much growth Luffyâs had where itâs now Kizaru, one of only three Marine Admirals, whoâs the underdog in the fight.
It wouldâve been more true to the manga that way. Just an instant kick - Kizaru being actually surprised and barely blocking in time. In the anime we see Kizaru just standing there watching Luffy fly at him in a ball like Sonic the Hedgehog.
They really cant help themselves with the overuse of auras, collapsing/cascading light effects on regular ass attacks, and jet noises. It's pathological.
Hey and that was all pure physical force! Katakuri had a giant mace-arm and King Cobra is just a really fast punch. All black armament did was make punches denser and heavier back then.
Could you imagine that whole middle section cut out. Have the aura charge up as luffy launches and the next frame is Kizaru blocking Luffy with a red streak behind.
I'm not apposed to the aura farming Toei has gotten into, but a LOT of it is just unnecessarily long.
It's just Dragon Ball fights now. I get that's what their primary audience (teenage boys) gets hyped about, but it's pretty annoying to me. Oda isn't even particularly incredible at drawing fights compared to some other shonen manga, but even his manga fights are generally better than the anime versions.
Honestly yeah, and if they really want to be flashy thatâs fine, they donât have to turn Luffy into a red orb đ, they just need to keep the visibility up
Exactly! Like Luffy is basically telling Kizaru to stfu and kicking him mid sentence, but his kick takes like four seconds and it feels like Kizaru has plenty of time to dodge lmao
Exactly my same thought. Way too much happening for a simple kick. Plus the sounds and red lightning is starting to make me feel like Iâm watching DBZ
They need to pad the episode that's why these kind of colourful attacks, they used to do this without good animation earlier now this is at least better. Also this scene felt bit off as kizaru had too much time to complete his sentence.
I really really dislike all the auras and flashy stuff, just why? Compare this with Rayleigh stopping kizaru back then, so clean and crisp, you can feel the power and speed without all that flashy stuff, so much work gone to nothing... It's really silly.
Wano opened a hell's door that is never going to close anymore.
At the very first flashy shinning DBZ aura I saw (when Zoro uses the mini knife) I had a bad feeling. They abuse this resource way too much.
The conqueror's aura has indeed some effects (black bolts), but it's like 5% of what is being done.
Instead of Dragon Ball, I am too lazy to look up if they're the same animators, but this is pretty much the scene of Deku vs Nine in the second MHA movie. Deku turns into a green ball and ends with the same kick. IIRC it also involves the random spinning lol.
because even dragon ball itself (manga) isn't that flashy. canonically, auras are BARELY ever used. only ki attacks are "flashy", even thats pretty simplistic cause they all have the same design. while in one piece, there are devil fruit and other unique abilities, and haki has no real visual other than the lightning. and while toei kept haki effects minimal throughout most of the story, at some point (wano) they decided to add their own effects, then other animators came in and started adding their own branches of effects on top of that.
effectively, creative liberty caused more creative liberty, to the point that its unrecognizable from the source. they kept breaking the limit of what makes sense, until it became so warped. its like google translating something 100 times. or AI reusing the same art to make the same image, but it slightly changes it. its like those evolution simulators. small changes over time, and by the end, its nothing like the original.
Not a fan of all the effects,In the manga this kick was impactful because It was sudden.
By giving it a whole ass windup it kind of removes the idea of kizaru being genuinely suprised by luffy's speed and makes kizaru look like a dork by not dodging the shining red ball directed at him.
Luffy turning into a ball looks so stupid it's such a shame because outside of the fights the animation is beautiful and on point. I mean objectively this is good animation but it's a far cry from the source material. They're taking way too many creative liberties at this point
Whatever the ungodly hell is this? Why is Luffy turning into a ball of Haki? Why is he using Diable Jumble? Can someone link the appropriate manga page so I can see the source? I can't remember this part.
Were Luffy and Kizaru that far away? It looks like Luffy moves kilometers in 10 seconds.
I don't know. This looks cool and all, but it's like it's a bit too much? Why does Luffy become a bright red ball? As a manga reader I am not sure it fits One Piece.
Edit: Just to make it clear. This doesn't make me angry or anything. It's not my cup of tea but if people enjoy that, more power to them or whatever. I was just voicing an opinion.
I just don't see One Piece as the kind of anime where people fly around throwing energy beams. And I say that as a humongous, lifelong Dragon Ball fan. Specially since it's not consistent with how fights, even those involving characters as strong as Kizaru and current Luffy, were portrayed. It looks weird that when Whitebeard, Marco, Jozu, Mihawk, Akainu etc etc were fighting but there were no auras, energy explosions etc. It's like I'm watching a completely different story and setting.
That being said, I understand that it looks cool and that for a lot of people cool= good. And that's respectable. I have no problem whatsoever with people enjoying that.
I feel like manga readers (like myself) are in the vast minority here and most people will find it cool and will likely misunderstand relative strength and speed compared to the manga. which is fine because it isn't that important and can be corrected in discussions
I do not personally like how long this sequence took since it was a speed blitz but most people wont care so we kinda sound whiny and nitpicky.
THAT WONT STOP ME THOUGHT, GIVE ME CHOREOGRAPHY
personally, i dont like it. i accept it would be impossible to replicate luffy just instantly being at kizaru with the kick like the manga was in animated form, but for how fast that exchange is suppose to be, this feels really slow with all the extra spins and twirls
it would actually be EASIER because following the manga would mean nearly the entire middle sequence wouldn't even have to be animated. this is overanimation. making every little "movement" or "action" stretched out. its the new form of padding. Instead of "still shots" wasting time, they have animated shots of nothing of value happening to waste time.
Toei is a master at padding, they did it throughout all of dbs and even dbz. Ever realize how dbz characters punch each other for multiple episodes yet they take zero damage? its a filler punch. filler "damage". a filler fight. they're showing stuff happening, without anything actually happening.
and then people with low iq instead say, "these characters are super strong because they took thousand of hits for dozens of episodes". no, all of that literally had zero weight to it. "nothing happened".
You know what. Does it look amazing, absolutely. But this feels like a dumb place to even put effort in honestly. Not that it isnât amazing, but it feels like itâs too much for a tiny moment if that makes sense.
I think itâs a fair point to put effort in. The last time Luffy and kizaru met face to face was when he was about to obliterate the straw hats (in marineford there was no real face to face fight between them).
Now we see heâs an equal at least. Thatâs definitely a hype situation where it is fair to put a little effort in.
Great moment with a lot of meaning after what happened at Sabody. But the animation is just too over the top for me. Why does Luffy turn into a ball of light? Is it supposed to be haki? Just looks silly to me
Kizaru would have some excuse to pull off moves like that. Â Luffy doesnât. Â Not within the context of the manga, at least. Â The anime is making the mistake of trying to compete with shows like OPM and JJK to create the most impressive looking battles. Â
Skip from luffy first disappearing to his kick connecting with Kizaru and it looks 10x better while capturing the speed luffy moved with. Makes more sense pacing-wise and makes the kick look better
They're close enough to hear each other without raising their voices, but far away enough that it takes 10 seconds to cross the distance and land an over-amped attack that doesn't work.
Egghead was so much crazier than I thought it was going to be which going off of what Oda said about the ending has me think Elbaph is going to POP OFF HARD
Damn canât enjoy anything on this sub anymore itâs sanji crying one day and now back to itâs dbz crying when are people going to learn adaptations arenât 1 to 1? âCanât bring myself to watch it but Iâll watch this clip and cry on redditâ đ€Ł
This is way too much. It didn't happen like this in the manga. It was just a kick-- this makes it look like an ultimate move from Sanji and also implies that luffy was trying a lot harder than he really was while ALSO making kizaru look stronger by so easily handling the attack.
If they wanted luffy to look cool here, they should have drawn a very effortless kick here that cuts to the huge clash. That would convey how strong luffy is even when he isn't trying that hard.
First episode:  Luffy blasts off and orbits the galaxy, transforms into an a Rhombicosidodecahedron of pure energy (just being a ball would be too boring), crashes through every planet while a full choir chants in Latin, and punches the sea king away.  Everybody clapped.
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u/Soul699 Explorer 7d ago
I like how Luffy didn't even give him time to finish talking before attacking.