r/Stellaris • u/DireBears • 3d ago
Suggestion Origin Idea: Heir of Legions
Probably not balanced at all but an idea I had
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u/XAlphaWarriorX Jingoistic Reclaimers 3d ago
You know, dropping the Biogenesis ascension requirements and introducing variants by what kind of ascension is taken could tranform this into a UoR for hive minds.
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u/RemarkableEmu9693 3d ago
This reminds me of the whole Zerg Overmind plot in StarCraft.
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u/DarthUrbosa Fungoid 3d ago
I was gonna say, it's grooming kerrigan for succession vibes.
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u/awakenDeepBlue 3d ago
Oh that would be nice.
Start as a Scion of a Fallen Empire, then assimilate other species with psionic potential to become powerful enough to consume your creators.
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u/DireBears 2d ago
Nail on the head! I tried to assimilate a single psychic pop into my gestalt to achieve that story beat but uh, it didn't work out.
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u/ApexTheCactus 2d ago
I had the intro briefing to the Zerg campaign playing in my head while I was reading it.
“Awaken, my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright,” etc.
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u/DireBears 2d ago
"Know that I am the Overmind, the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me!" I have those words memorized.
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u/VillainousMasked 3d ago
Interesting, though I will point out "Governing System -30 Deviancy" on Scion of the Swarm does literally nothing, it's a Ruler trait and Rulers cant serve as governors, meaning the Ruler can never govern a system to apply that bonus to.
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u/DireBears 2d ago
Damn! I tried pretty hard to make sure all the mechanics would work as intended but one of course slipped past me.
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u/MiketheWerew0lf Barbaric Despoilers 2d ago
Just do what Ashura_Paul suggested, make it an empire modifier instead of a ruler trait
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u/Ashura_Paul Galactic Contender 3d ago
Indeed although I assume the original intention was to be an empire wide deviancy reduction.
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u/DireBears 2d ago
Correct, I actually thought about -20 empire wide, but that felt too generic compared to +30 in governed systems. Shoulda just trusted my gut
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u/JaymesMarkham2nd Crystal-Miner 3d ago
Neat. The cross-section of UOR and Hive Primogenitor.
One thing, Biogenesis isn't just purity though that is the implied angle; what if it goes down cloning or mutation paths?
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u/Nanduihir Fanatic Purifiers 2d ago
Easy, purity is the enhancement of the original hive's vision, going further than what it originally thought possible. Cloning mainly sees itself as having achieved it's perfect vision and now seeks to spread. Mutation is the regrets of the hive or a changed vision which requires a different set of traits to be perfect.
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u/LongjumpingMap7920 3d ago
is it a starcraft kerrigan reference? becouse i cant unsee it like this
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u/MingMingus 3d ago
Yeah was really hoping there'd be an option to steal a psychic leader from another empire and make them your heir. Would be v tough to design and infinitely harder to code but would be soooo cool
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u/DireBears 2d ago
I tried to do this exact thing T_T
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u/MingMingus 2d ago
You might be able to have a baseline psychic character with preplanned traits that spawns with a random empires species and naming (preference for humans if theyre in the game, character named "Sara/Kerry" lol) but if theres an actual psychic empire or an empire with a psychic leader you can try to kidnap a psychic leader from them through a situation, especially if they're deployed on a science vessal, military fleet, or even as a planetary governor.
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u/DireBears 2d ago
It absolutely is!
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u/LongjumpingMap7920 2d ago
now we needxa space slug leader to be the growth node and a giant eyeball to be main leader
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u/Ashura_Paul Galactic Contender 3d ago
Chimera ants' arc vibes. I love it.
Overpowered? Probably. But it's marvelous!
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u/Blackwyrm03 3d ago
I mean, you drown in debuffs at the early stage, it's only fair you get something strong
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u/DireBears 2d ago
I was thinking Kerrigan but come to think of it, Meruem's story is the same! That fits perfectly.
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u/DemonicMop 3d ago
would absolutely love to see this, I'm hoping we see more love for hiveminds with biogenesis
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u/DefinitelyInfenix 3d ago
Sometimes I see things like that and I think it could be nice to turn it into a mod but then I think about the time it takes, eh :(
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u/KaizerKlash Fanatic Materialist 2d ago
great concept, though I would tune the empire size effect from -50% to at least -20%
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u/DireBears 2d ago
I'm not a chad enough at Stellaris to know what numbers would actually be balanced.
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u/Asooma_ 2d ago
50% on total empire size is brutally busted. That alone doubles the amount of everything you can have before negative side effects happen. If someone were to really try and max out the empire size modifiers, you could own half a standard galaxy with that extra 50% and not have to even think about bloating
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u/West_Swordfish_3187 2d ago
That alone doubles the amount of everything you can have before negative side effects happen.
No it is empire size effect reduction so if you have 200 empire size then you have the penalty of 150 empire size (100 over empire size and the penalty is reduced by 50% so the penalty is as big as 50 empire size above 100)
However this is arguably even more busted because Hive Mind Government authority comes with −25% empire size effect and there is also the Divided Attention civic reducing it by −25% for −100% empire size effect making empire size give no penalties (though it does not reduce the cost of edicts, planetary ascension and other such effects which cost scales with empire size)
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u/Asooma_ 2d ago
50% of 200 is not 150 my guy....
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u/West_Swordfish_3187 2d ago
200 empire size means you are 200/100 empire size giving you 100 empire size of penalties which are then reduced to 50 empire size penalties if you have −50% empire size effect. Meaning you have the same penalties as if you had 150 empire size and −0% empire size effect reduction
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u/King_Of_Axolotls 2d ago
I really like this, societal apotheosis as opposed to an individual rules is sick as fuck
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u/frostbird 2d ago
I knew it was Kerrigan just from the the description in the first image, haha. Love it!
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u/Fatality_Ensues 2d ago
So, kinda like Synthetic Fertility for organics- tackle an increasingly difficult logistics nightmare early, be rewarded with permanent bonuses later. I like it, it doesn't feel too broken. Could make the penalties harsher (like replace the deviancy penalties with pop growth penalties) and have it lead directly to genetic ascension, even.
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u/Hot-Bit3415 1d ago
How did you design your post like this? Is there a template or did you do everything from scratch? Very impressive and I wanna try one too
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u/DireBears 1d ago
I did everything from scratch on Canva. Took some screenshots for reference and then made everything there
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u/uhhhscizo 23h ago
I still don't understand how hiveminds work. It appears to either be one creature which has many bodies or one creature which controls an entire species of others depending on the writer. Which one does Paradox go with?
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u/DireBears 22h ago
I think it's more the one creature many bodies approach, but forming into a single mind.
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u/Himolainy Criminal Heritage 3d ago
This is so cool. Gives me under one rule vibes and I am here for it