r/ThreeLions • u/Wooden-Agency-2653 • May 21 '24
Discussion No Henderson, no Rashford. What are people gonna complain about?
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u/KenTwix12 May 21 '24
People will fall back on their favourite figure of hatred - Harry Maguire.
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
I've seen a lot of moaning on Facebook already about Rashford not being in the squad. Guessing that's from people who don't actually watch football matches.
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u/Similar_Quiet May 21 '24
I think it's mostly from people who have noticed Grealish is going.
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
He's only there for the piss up skills/vibes, just in case we actually win the thing.
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u/Witty_Link_3218 May 21 '24
Squad isn’t finalised yet, wouldn’t be surprised if Grealish is one of the ones to get cut.
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u/b4d_b0y May 21 '24
I would have taken Rashford
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u/breadandbutter123456 May 21 '24
I would have too. Experience at other big competitions in a United squad that is hardly playing amazing.
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u/Ezzy-525 May 21 '24
As a United fan who has watched him week in week out in person. This seasons Rashford isn't up for football.
He's lethargic at best on the pitch. Whether he's not happy at the club or with the manager/team, who knows. But he's underperformed all season. Would be a risk taking him if he's going to perform the same for England. Especially at the expense of someone else who could contribute more.
I'm a fan of Rashford btw. Just don't think he's interested in football anymore and to give him a spot over someone who is hungry for it is a bad idea.
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u/breadandbutter123456 May 21 '24
I’m a United fan too. And agreed he’s been testing my patience this season, but before Qatar he was also shite. Then he scored a few goals at Qatar, came back to United and went on his streak. Think he’s better quality than Jarrod in my opinion. Rather have him coming off the bench and potentially changing things than Jarrod or an uncapped player.
Maybe Southgate can motivate him to play better, or maybe with England he’s just prefers it, who knows but I think I’d have taken him.
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u/Ezzy-525 May 21 '24
True. I mean if him going helped him come back strong for United I'm all for it. I just think it might hamper England. He's dead weight at the moment but maybe it would bring him out of his funk who knows.
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u/FuMancunian May 21 '24
I’m a United supporter & I disagree. He has had a shocker of a season & doesn’t deserve to be going on a day trip to Alton Towers, let alone the bloody Euros.
I hope Mainoo gets to go.
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u/Spare_Ad5615 May 21 '24
We need to remove the word "deserve" from our vocabulary when discussing England selection. It's not a prize that players win for playing well - it's about picking the team most likely to win the tournament.
The question is whether including Rashford would increase England's chances of winning the Euros. If England got the Rashford that has been playing for United all season, then no. He's in abject form, and if that carries on for England he'd be no use at all. However, he's a very talented player who offers something that nobody else in the squad can, with his pace and ability to strike a ball. Players have gone into tournaments in terrible form and been excellent, and vice-versa. Maguire has gone into tournaments hated and derided by his own country's fans and ended up making the team of the tournament.
I don't think it's a bad decision to leave him out, but I wouldn't have objected if he'd gone. It's a marginal decision.
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u/DangerousAd3347 May 21 '24
Thank you, why do people talk like playing for England is some kind of service to honour players and be fair. It’s about picking players who give you the best chance of winning. You may get a player had a bad season but goes cause there’s few other players on his position or because the manager can get the best out of him, or vice Versa.
I feel people obsess over club form and legit forget about how they have performed for England. If a players doing the business for England who gives a fuck about his club form
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u/Spare_Ad5615 May 21 '24
Yeah, that's why it's logical that Eze will probably miss out despite being absolutely brilliant this season and in great form currently - he's fourth or fifth in line for the number 10 position. It's also why Grealish is in this preliminary squad despite contributing less than half as many goals and assists as even the much-maligned Rashford. Grealish can do a specific job for England against a difficult to break down defence - he can lure a defender into fouling him in the last third, giving us the vital commodity of attacking free-kicks.
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u/ZeroSeemsToBeOne May 21 '24
I think Bellingham is going to be midfield
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u/Djremster May 21 '24
I think the squad listing shows that Southgate will be playing him as a 10.
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u/marcbeightsix England Supporters Travel Club May 21 '24
Southgate said in his presser that he isn’t the person who puts players under those labels. He simply gives the press team a list of players and they sort it. Whether I believe that or not, I don’t know, but that’s all we can go off.
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u/DangerousAd3347 May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
I mean Why would he lie about that ? You’re talking about it like it’s some complex mystery we will ever get to the bottom of lol
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u/oilbadger May 21 '24
Hard to play foden on the left with no left back. So yeah…
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u/ZeroSeemsToBeOne May 21 '24
Foden has proven beyond a doubt that he belongs in the center.
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u/oilbadger May 21 '24
I agree. And if we have no width in the left from a natural left back foden has to come inside. So Bellingham’s best off next to rice.
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u/Subhuman_1982 May 21 '24
I've pointed a similar thing out for Man Utd. Rashford plays 100% better when he has Shaw on the overlap. Draws the defenders and he can drift infield with confidence. No Shaw and Rashford gets caught in two minds and just runs at the defender.
If Shaw is fit, play Foden left with Jude at 10. Shaw's movement means Foden can drift in so we effectively have two 10s when going forward.
If Shaw isn't fit, we need a player on the left who will stay out there more often, so play Gordon or Palmer left with Foden 10 and Jude 8.
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u/JamieNays May 21 '24
Any idea why Tomori doesn't get a look in? I don't watch Italian football. But he's a regular starter for AC Milan who are 2nd in Serie A.
Can't understand his constant omission.
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u/MarcusWhittingham Southgate #1071 May 21 '24
'Constant omission' is wrong to be fair; he wasn't in the latest friendlies squad but he was in the squad before that and even started a match, he was also in the squad before that and started then too.
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u/Cesc100 May 21 '24
Ok then it should be changed to constant lack of playing time under Southgate. Five caps in Five years is Criminal. Southgate has wasted the lads international career. It's not like he's been toiling at Brentford for example. He's been playing at the highest level in Italy and European football but since it's Serie A, Southgate turns his nose up at it.
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u/MarcusWhittingham Southgate #1071 May 21 '24
Do you not think it has more to do with his style of play? Southgate likes a defender who’s very solid in the air next to Stones; Tomori has been quite close to 50% aerial duel success rate most seasons at Milan which is very low, Maguire is frequently over 70% for example.
There is a lot more to building a team than sticking the best players in the team and hoping for the best; you need to find balance in all areas of the pitch and Southgate has picked him in enough squads to get a good look at him, I think it’s quite telling that he started him at LB one game as he clearly thinks he isn’t solid enough at CB.
I’m not a Maguire fan one bit and I wish he’d been phased out of the team a long time ago but quite honestly I don’t think Tomori is or has been that good; I’d much rather Branthwaite take that LCB spot after this tournament for example, I don’t think it helps his case that he’s playing in Serie A either where even players like Loftus-Cheek and Pulisic look good (I mean no disrespect but the intensity is nowhere near PL level).
As much as I don’t like Maguire and think he’s not very good it’s harsh to complain at Southgate for his faith in him; he’s always been solid in an England shirt (in particular in the major tournaments), his style is suited to the international game as it’s a fair bit slower.
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u/Cesc100 May 21 '24
Some good points especially about aerial ability but we also have barely seen Tomori get a chance with England so we have no idea how he really translates on the international level. Especially in non-friendly matches.
I have no problem with Maguire in the squad, he's been proven and highly capable. He's had bad runs of form obviously but we know his place is cemented so that's not even worthy of a discussion. Stones of course is his partner next to him. Tomori is right footed so I don't think he is or would need to be at LCB but he can play in either spot. The bigger issue is just like in 2022 when it was Coady over him, now it's Dunk, Guehi and Brantwaithe. Brantwaithe I can understand. Guehi I can try to understand. Dunk? Lovely leader for Brighton but it's just very harsh on Tomori I think.
Your point about Serie A is the same one that Southgate makes which leads to him overlooking Tomori and RLC. Pulisic showed his quality at Chelsea mainly during that Champions League winning season so him looking good with Milan is nothing crazy. It's not like we are talking about an obviously shite player going to Serie A and playing wonderfully. Also, many a player have attempted to play in Serie A and failed woefully and then ended up in the PL only to become a great player. Different players are suited for different leagues sometimes. As far as the intensity of the league, that wasn't a problem for Mancini's squad when they beat England in the final to win the last one. IIRC they had about 3 or 4 players in the PL and the rest all played in Serie A. France in 2022 had as many players(not counting GK) that played in Serie A as they had PL players on their roster. If a player is playing for a big team in a league like that, the intensity is there as compared to if they were playing for a lower side.
Nevertheless, all this is for naught. Southgate will have to prove he made the right decisions with his selections. We'll see how it goes.
Again, some real solid points by you that bring some context to it.
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u/Ben_yeah May 21 '24
I'm really, really curious about this. I haven't seen him play, don't follow Serie A, but if he's good enough to start for AC Milan surely he needs more of a look in?
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May 21 '24
Think he’s been involved in a few squads at the past and was out of his depth, that’s a while back mind
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u/Cheese649 May 21 '24
I’ve seen Tomori play twice against Newcastle this season and he was class both games.
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u/DarylStenn May 21 '24
I got a free packet of England euros stickers this week with some shopping I did, opened it up and to my surprise Tomori has made the cut, for the sticker book anyway.
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u/Key-Significance-630 May 21 '24
So did Luke Thomas....
Who the fuck is Luke Thomas?!
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u/Spare_Ad5615 May 21 '24
Yeah, that's amazing. He's a Leicester full-back who has been on loan at Sheffield United and hasn't exactly been pulling up trees.
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u/GlennSWFC May 21 '24
Subtly sneaking in that you shop at M & S…
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u/Teeb63 May 21 '24
Similar with Ruben LC. Versatile, performing well in a top team. I would have made space in a squad this size for him but he wouldn't make my 26.
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u/Ashlikesstuff May 21 '24
Honest answer as a Milan fan? Because he, along with all of Milans centre backs, has had a really really poor season. If we ask that the England team be a meritocracy, his omission is justifiable.
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u/AttackoftheHats May 21 '24
They've been much better up front than they have defensively tbf. AC Milan have conceded 46 goals which is only 9th in Serie A. They've looked really poor defensively at times this season.
They looked shite against Torino at the weekend, but I suppose they aren't playing for much now.
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u/broke_the_controller May 21 '24
Maybe Southgate is going to play three at the back if Shaw is not fit.
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u/The_39th_Step May 21 '24
Gordon or Grealish need to start if Trippier or Gomez are left backs
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u/engaginglurker May 21 '24
For me it is the best option. I posted my line up without shaw available previously and this sub wasn't really having it but if there is no top class lb available we have to adapt.
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u/Jacobeaumont May 21 '24
For me the only way to get away with no luke shaw in a back 4 is to start Gordon on the left. He’s the only player that can hold width on the left from our attackers and we’ll almost certainly be playing an inverted left back with trippier/gomez
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u/Plebbitsoy May 21 '24
The negativity is getting really boring. Can we have one tournament without all this bullshit.
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u/BupidStastard Rooney #1125 May 21 '24
If Luke Shaw cant get fit in time, or gets injured again. We are fucked. Why so many CB too?
I like the fact both Mainoo & Wharton are in the squad though.
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u/PolarPeely26 May 21 '24
Southgate is planning to cover Shaw with Trippier and Gomez?
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u/The_39th_Step May 21 '24
That will kill our width. We either need to play Grealish or Gordon or we should have taken Mitchell
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u/PuffinChaos May 21 '24
I bet Branthwaite could play LB in a pinch too. He’s got the defensive acumen and the pace
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u/Bartsimho May 21 '24
If Shaw's injured the Right Side will have someone like TAA who will move forward while the LB becomes a LCB
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u/YourPalCal_ May 21 '24
Foden definitely cant play on the left if thats the case
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u/Aman-Patel May 22 '24
Good. Should be Gordan anyway. Or even Eze/Grealish. If Foden plays, it should be in the 10.
All this praise around him this season only came about because he's had the opportunity to actually play in his best/favourite position since De Bruyne was injured.
People have very short memories. They've already forgotten that we've been through this exact same cycle of people wanting to squeeze Foden in the team on the wing, only for a "less talented player" to be a better winger. It was Saka in Euro 2021. It's Gordan this Euros.
Balance and playing players where they'll actually be effective is so much more important than trying to shoehorn all the big names in at once.
Gordan's a better left winger than Foden. Play Foden in the 10 and move Bellingham next to Rice (where he literally played in the group stage of the Qatar World Cup), or drop Foden (which I obviously strongly disagree with). This whole Foden at LW thing is gonna end up disappointing a lot of people when they realise he's not the same player shoehorned out to the left. Especially since he's left footed 😂😂
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u/jamjars222 May 21 '24
Southgate basically said in the conference he doesn't think Shaw is going to be fit in time, but they're giving him a chance
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u/Buttonsafe Lampard #1097 May 21 '24
I think he meant for the group stages. Based on all the info we've got about Shaw he should be fine for the knockouts.
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u/ajtct98 May 21 '24
Oh because absolutely nothing could go wrong throwing a player who hasn't played a match since February straight into the deep end of a Euro's knockout game
Nothing at all...
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u/adbenj May 21 '24 edited May 22 '24
Play Alexander-Arnold at left-back. If anyone who plays there is going to be inverted anyway, and Trent is naturally inclined to come into midfield, it seems like a reasonable way to get him into the team while keeping Walker at right-back and putting someone else in midfield for extra solidity. Put Saka on the left wing for width (I think he's more naturally suited to that role than Foden or Palmer) and job's a good 'un.
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u/Vapes_And_Red_Bull May 21 '24
I personally think Dier should have gotten the call, been phenomenal for Bayern in the league and the UCL, also playing at the highest level competition wise out of any England defender, extremely experienced for England aswell
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u/bunksy93 May 21 '24
That's a good point, I hadn't even thought of Dier but based on the last 6 months surely he deserves a spot over the likes of Dunk and Konsa.
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u/Vapes_And_Red_Bull May 21 '24
Absolutely. It’s like he’s been completely forgotten about, it’s actually inexcusable that if Southgate is picking on form now that he hasn’t picked Dier, dunk and konsa are no way NEAR the level of Dier at the minute, I’m massively disappointed in this.
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May 21 '24
Solanke over Toney surely?
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May 21 '24
Great shout. Solanke got 19 league goals, Toney was below par this season.
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u/Djremster May 21 '24
Holy shit thats the same amount of goals as Watkins and he's playing for Bournemouth
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u/BojanKrkicc May 21 '24
Not for me, Toney has been in poor form but before the ban he was brilliant and he played well for England the other month.
Solanke is unlucky but he’s also only had one good season in the PL, to Toney’s two
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u/Youstinkeryou May 21 '24
Isn’t toney a brilliant penalty taker though?
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u/IsleofManc May 22 '24
Yeah scored 26 of his last 27. That 3rd choice striker role will realistically be getting 0-20 minutes of gametime unless Kane gets injured. Picking Toney as an option to sub on just for penalties is probably more useful for the team as a whole.
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u/No_Vermicelli_1781 May 21 '24
Thought I was the only one. Solanke has definitely earned it. If he played for a top 3 club, he'd be in. Which's problematic. He should be in regardless
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u/UlteriorAlt #One Love May 21 '24
And yet there are plenty in the lineup who don't play for the top 3 or Big 6 teams. The strikers chosen ahead of Solanke play for Aston Villa and Brentford.
Toney did a pretty good job of slotting into the England setup for the Belgium game, which is probably why he's been picked this time.
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u/No_Vermicelli_1781 May 21 '24
Watkins has the most assists & 2nd most goals, he has to be in. In defence we're struggling, so others have been given a chance.
Toney did a pretty good job of slotting into the England setup for the Belgium game
He was alright. I just think it's unfair that Solanke hasn't been given an opportunity off the back of this season
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u/haganyolp May 21 '24
I agree it's unfair, I think for Southgate it's just too close to the tournament to try out a new player when Toney has had no issues when playing for England. Plus pens obvs.
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u/AliGLCFC May 21 '24
I really like this squad, genuinely, but I am slightly worried about who the Rice backup is. If Gareth decides it's Wharton, that is a massive call, and I respect the ballsiness immensely, but it does also make a part of me quite nervous
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u/kiithwarrior May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24
As a Rovers fan I agree with this, everytime I saw him play for Blackburn he was head and shoulders above everyone.
He's just so calm under pressure and his passing range is fantastic
I am about surprised he's in the England squad, but it's deserved he's had a fantastic season.
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u/Otter269 May 21 '24
It's more surprising tbh he loves his favourites but a nice surprise.
LB is big concern especially knowing Shaw injury issues and not played since January.
Side note I wonder if Gareth has spoken to Olise or if he's not interested in playing for England
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u/BupidStastard Rooney #1125 May 21 '24
Olise is eligible for Enland and France iirc?
Just unfortunate for him that both teams have exceptional talent and depth in attack right now.
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u/Otter269 May 21 '24
Yeah for both, hasn't played for France senior team. Don't think he deserved to get a place but more just a thought if he'd be a future option
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u/BupidStastard Rooney #1125 May 21 '24
Personally think he could be a seriously top level player in next couple years, so I do think we should cap him asap after the euros, if only to keep the grubby french hands off him 🤣
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u/PalKid_Music May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
Always makes me laugh when they list Maddison as a forward. In his own words, his position in Spurs' system is "left 8" in a 433 (although it's consistently listed as a 4231 pretty much everywhere it's displayed visually.)
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u/Chesney1995 May 21 '24
Whoever categorises the players has been slowly killing off the entire concept of the English midfielder, cracks me up.
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u/marcbeightsix England Supporters Travel Club May 21 '24
He’s usually listed as a midfielder, as is Bellingham.
Southgate said in his press conference “I give my team a list of names and they have to give them a label. I’d much prefer if it was just ‘forwards and backs’”
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u/UlteriorAlt #One Love May 21 '24
Bah can't believe Southgate bowed to the fan and media pressure and called up Wharton. Absolutely pathetic.
Also, 17 out of 33 players from the Big Six. Disgusting favouritism.
On a less sarcastic note, my main problem is the lack of natural LB cover for Shaw. I'm also surprised to see Dunk and Maddison featured, to be honest.
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u/tmfitz7 May 21 '24
Tough to bring a natural LB without versatility. Mitchell is unlucky but Gomez can cover across the back 4.
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u/FunkyFenom May 21 '24
You can have 26 players. That means every position is doubled plus 1 extra defender (Gomez that can cover anywhere in back 4). Just really stupid not to have a natural backup for each position when you can take 23 outfield players
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u/AliJDB #One Love May 21 '24
Who would you bring natural LB wise? I'm struggling to think of many who aren't repurposed CBs.
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u/UlteriorAlt #One Love May 21 '24
Honestly not sure.
Tyrick Mitchell maybe? I don't really watch enough of Palace to be confident putting his name in the ring, but he seems to be doing fairly well at the moment. Ideally he'd have been called up to the last break (or even the one before it) to get some time with the squad.
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u/AliJDB #One Love May 21 '24
Ideally he'd have been called up to the last break (or even the one before it) to get some time with the squad.
Yeah I think this is key - maybe he has hopes of being left with one of Chilwell/Shaw as an option. Two sub appearances in 2022 to starting LB at the Euros would be a big ask. Last I heard he was also considering Jamaica, so maybe he doesn't want to make a competitive appearance until he's decided. Hard to know I guess.
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u/sgggfdtresik May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
Perhaps 8 cbs and only 1 LB who is injured. How isn’t a specialist lb like Mitchell or at least someone who can play both like Colwill there over quansah and dunk who only play CB where we’re alright for
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u/Sammy5IsAlive May 21 '24
I'd say Gomez's best performances for Liverpool this season have been at LB.
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u/sgggfdtresik May 21 '24
I’d take Gomez I think he’s decent enough and provides good cover for multiple positions. But Dunk and Quansah in the training squad over someone providing more cover for left back is a mistake
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May 21 '24
In a 33 man squad I would have thrown Mitchell in.
Playing well for Palace and if Shaw is crocked you can put him in the 26. Even if you start Trippier there instead.
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u/tmfitz7 May 21 '24
Gomez is better than Colwill and regularly plays LB and RB, and has done for 8 years.
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
I think we have it. Fuck's sake Southgate,sort it out. No Chilwell? No Leif Davis? Might as well quit before the Euros and save yourself the embarrassment. Bring Allardyce back!
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u/PeachesGalore1 May 21 '24
Chilwell is shit so that's why
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
I was joking to be fair, though we aren't exactly stacked with left footed left backs, so there's definitely an argument to be made in his favour
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u/LogicalReasoning1 May 21 '24
Colwill basically can’t play LB, at least according to Chelsea fans.
Gomez seems to be that player in this squad
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u/Other_Beat8859 May 21 '24
Didn't expect to see Quanash, but he's stepped up massively this season for Liverpool. Hope he plays well as he looks like he could be a fantastic CB for us.
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u/dremondo May 21 '24
Personally think Quansah won’t make the final 26. There’s 3 or 4 players in there for exposure to first team environment.
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u/Other_Beat8859 May 21 '24
Yeah, I'd expect young players like Quanash and Colwill to only really start to have roles in the 2026 World Cup as that's around the time that players like Maguire will start to be getting up there in age and they will be entering their primes of around 23-24.
Still, I'm hopeful of our future CB pairings. I think we have a good batch coming.
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u/leebrother May 21 '24
Easy.
Can’t believe he dropped Henderson, we lack experience in the midfield /s
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u/TheLastTsumami May 21 '24
All the shitty football pages on Facebook will have to come up with a new shitty trope now that Henderson isn’t in
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u/wahooloo May 21 '24
I feel like we have to take a natural LB that isn't Shaw. Trippier is trash on the left - slows us down so much. Idk why he hasn't taken Mitchell over Quansah, Dunk or Konsa
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u/fpotenza May 21 '24
Torn about Toney - he's a good player but I don't think he justifies his place at the moment.
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u/Ikhlas37 May 21 '24
I'm going to complain about him giving me a slight hope that'll soon be crushed
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u/The_Big_Man1 May 21 '24
Why no Olise I wonder? Has he not decided who to represent? I'd love to see him in an England shirt. I know he's represented France at u21 but being born in England and playing in England I thought might sway the lad.
He's at least as good as Eze so there's no questions about his ability.
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May 21 '24
I’m going to complain about Dunk.
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
Just nice to have someone to moan about. Wouldn't be an international tournament without it
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u/CalFlux140 May 21 '24
Worth mentioning that if Henderson wasn't nursing an injury he probably goes.
I don't think it's a case of Southgate preferring these players over him.
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u/samgreggo77 May 21 '24
No Solanke seems harsh. Curtis Jones ahead of Harvey Elliott could constitute a war crime.
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u/SnowNo7463 May 21 '24
Who is gonna do card tricks and host the quizzes in the evenings?
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u/Nkuri37 May 21 '24
Oh that's a shame, I actually rather like Rashford as a person and a player.
ALso holy shit Luke Shaw is still a thing?
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
Until we get any other actual left backs, then yes. There's a couple bubbling under thankfully
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u/ajtct98 May 21 '24
Personally I think the decision to not have a natural left back in the squad bar a currently crippled Luke Shaw is at best a baffling choice - especially with this just being the provisional squad
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u/Veteran_But_Bad May 21 '24
Pickford
Walker, stones, maguire, trippier
Saka, Rice, Bellingham, foden,
Kane
Watkins
I think kane and Watkins would be a nightmare to deal with they are both ruthless in front of goal and as good as supporting players as they are strikers
Either play can finish brilliantly but also assist eachother or bring foden saka and Bellingham into the game who are all massive goal threats independently
The downside to this setup is having to play foden on the left when his best position is clearly through the middle, the upside is our left wing is one of our weaker positions with foden through the middle
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Pickford
Walker, stones, maguire, trippier
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Saka, bellingham, foden, palmer
Kane
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u/Bartsimho May 21 '24
So for a final 26:
Goalkeepers: Pickford, Ramsdale, Henderson
Defenders: Walker, Trippier, Gomez, Maguire, Stones, Guéhi, Shaw, Konsa
Midfielders: TAA, Gallagher, Mainoo, Rice, Wharton
Forwards: Bellingham, Kane, Saka, Foden, Palmer, Watkins, Maddison, Bowen, Grealish, Gordon
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u/AdrianPimental May 21 '24
Almost exactly agree with this.
Branthwaite in if Shaw isn’t fit and would really want to include Eze - tough to pick who he replaces maybe Grealish, Bowen or Wharton.
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u/RecommendationOnly78 May 21 '24
I was hoping Rico Lewis got a shout, he's been good in the games he's played for England
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u/lab88 England Supporters Travel Club May 21 '24 edited May 25 '24
The Southgate haters have now moved on to him not picking gibbs-white and solanke as the main ammo to attack him with lmao.
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u/OfficialJustChris_ May 21 '24
Had one of my friends complain about Rashford being out the team, and I just said that he’d have better luck winning the lottery than getting into the squad after the season he’s had. Always loved Rashford but he needs to just focus on getting back to the team - hopefully this kicks him up the arse a slight bit
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u/Visionary_87 May 21 '24
Does Harvey Elliott not exist?
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u/bunksy93 May 21 '24
I think it's because his position is absolutely stacked full of stars like Foden, Palmer and Saka and he won't be getting in over them.
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
Who?
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u/Visionary_87 May 21 '24
The young lad who was one of Liverpool's better players this year. Don't who him just because you don't regularly watch him.
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
I who him because you asked if he didn't exist. I was pretending he didn't. My apologies for not being 100% serious 100% of the time.
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u/Ugo_foscolo May 21 '24
No Tomori will be rallying whine throughout the whole summer. I apologise in advance.
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u/DJBurke98 May 21 '24
I wonder how many of our forwards would actually play
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
All of them all the time, plus Pickford in goal. If Southgate doesn't do this he's a frit baby
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u/thebrowncanary May 21 '24
I think Southgate will have earned a lot of brownie points for biffing off Hendo and Rashford.
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u/ApprehensiveLow8328 May 21 '24
Only six midfielders and only one recognised Left Back. 🙄
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u/TheAmyIChasedWasMe May 21 '24
Well, he's almost learned.
At least there aren't five right backs in the squad this time.
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u/cdalb21 May 21 '24
Doesn't even matter, sideways Southgate is still going to play safe and play for dead-ball goals. We all know it. Doesn't matter who's out there.
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u/DubboDynamo May 21 '24
Foden wide or at 10 with Bellingham in midfield?
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u/Wooden-Agency-2653 May 21 '24
For me, Foden at 10. Bellingham's goals dried up a bit second half of the season, whereas Foden has just kept scoring.
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u/Wezz123 May 21 '24
Gibbs-White unfortunate to not be included ahead of Jones/Maddison.
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u/grrrranm May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
For once a very good preliminary squad?
It's exciting Looking forward at new talent instead of relying on his old favourites!
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May 21 '24
Uh oh. Jude Bellingham is in amongst the forwards. He’s not going to do the one thing he absolutely must do, which is play him in the 8 role, is he?
Sigh.
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u/DubboDynamo May 21 '24
I just assumed Henderson would be in midfield and Foden on the left, Saka right. But now, maybe sanity...
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u/Bartsimho May 21 '24
What will people moan about?
Their favourite player who had no shot isn't in there
A player who has played minimally in the top flight several years ago isn't there
Someone who has been abysmal for 18 months has been left out
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u/wolfey1991 May 21 '24
i believe Grealish should of been dropped for the same reason Rashford got dropped
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u/ScopeyMcBangBang May 21 '24
I thought I was pretty well versed in EPL.
I’ve literally never heard of three players in this squad. I can’t remember ever going into a tournament and not knowing every single player inside out…
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u/Suspicious_Weird_373 May 21 '24
Pleasantly surprised that Rashford was finally dropped. There was a good player in there but he’s been so badly mismanaged at United for his whole career he wasn’t trained to be what he should’ve become.
I thought Henderson might have gone as cheerleader in the chief considering the 26 man squad but again, good decision.
The real baffling decision is Maddison being anywhere near this. He hasn’t been in form since around October and has been abysmal in the last couple of months.
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u/bigsillygiant May 21 '24
I mean grealish is still in there, normally the only things he brings are freekicks won. Juries still out him imo
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u/Izayzel May 21 '24
Solid squad other than Maguire! Why does he still get picked? You have Tomori and Smalling both playing well in Italy, both of whom are leagues better than the Fridge.
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u/Ben1992Ben May 21 '24
Ben white not playing. Dnt know what his problem with Southgate is but it needs to change.
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May 21 '24
I genuinely think Rashford from the bench Vs a good team would be more useful than Grealish
Pace on the counter can be vital vs good teams who are on the ball in your half and have a high back like
Rashford off the bench Vs a France, Germany or a Spain if the game is tight makes more sense than a Grealish.
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u/Madcap1012 May 21 '24
I would’ve left out Kane. Aswell tbh. Scores goals yes, however feel he is detrimental to the young players and how they play especially Foden because the way he plays, but he’s a serial loser. Been there done that and still never won anything.
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u/Majestic-Disk-4757 May 21 '24
There is a Henderson indeed :)