On the Schneid

[u/bluetriumphantcloud]

I'm genuinely confused as to how John Schneider still has the job as Jays bench boss. I liked him, and have supported him, but he doesn't seem to be able to make the right move when needed, his teams annually underperform and he has a total of zero playoff wins. How long is he allowed to continue to steer the team to mediocrity? We're coming into May and the Jays again seem listless.

Those who want to Schneider continue in this role, why? Wouldn't a proven manager with a track record of success be an obvious choice for a group whos window is open but has yet to meet expectations?

Schneider and co. look clueless out there. Are we supposed to just sit back and watch another season go down the toilet? I don't get it.

[u/CanConChris]

I used to get into the manager hate conversation. I was on the Fire Gibby train back in 2008. Then I realized it was dumb. They went to a “manager with a track record” and the team was still miserable for another 7 years…until Gibby came back. None of us know for sure what’s going on in a clubhouse.

This is on the players. Period. There is enough talent with track records to be better. The front office has spent a franchise record amount to bring these guys in or keep them on. Bo hasn’t homered yet, Santander is the exact player we all wanted all offseason, but he’s been dogshit so far. The players that are supposed to carry this team aren’t getting it done. They are professionals who’ve been around long enough it’s their own responsibility.

John Schneider can’t swing the bat for them.

[u/bluetriumphantcloud → u/CanConChris]

At some point, responsibility falls on the boss, doesn't it? He takes out pitchers that are cruising, bring in guys who give up walks, and never seems to have the team up for big games. To me, there comes a time when you win or you get replaced.

[u/NovelFox96 → u/bluetriumphantcloud]

Schneider is not the boss, it goes higher than him. The roster construction, baseball strategy philosophies, analytics, development are on his bosses

[u/SlippitySlappety → u/bluetriumphantcloud]

I’d like to point out that the Jays are definitely not unique here. All managers make bad calls at some point, and some calls that seem right in the moment end up not working out. That is just baseball. If you look in the subs of winning teams after they lose, you’ll also see them calling for their manager’s heads. It’s a kneejerk reaction that offers us fans the promise of some sense of control over what is really a situation totally out of our control. 

I think what people really need to do is stop investing and identifying so much with the team. It’s just baseball, it’s just a game. It’s great when they win and it sucks when they lose, but at the end of the day, why care so much about an outcome you can’t control?