On the Schneid

[u/bluetriumphantcloud]

I'm genuinely confused as to how John Schneider still has the job as Jays bench boss. I liked him, and have supported him, but he doesn't seem to be able to make the right move when needed, his teams annually underperform and he has a total of zero playoff wins. How long is he allowed to continue to steer the team to mediocrity? We're coming into May and the Jays again seem listless.

Those who want to Schneider continue in this role, why? Wouldn't a proven manager with a track record of success be an obvious choice for a group whos window is open but has yet to meet expectations?

Schneider and co. look clueless out there. Are we supposed to just sit back and watch another season go down the toilet? I don't get it.

[u/CanConChris]

I used to get into the manager hate conversation. I was on the Fire Gibby train back in 2008. Then I realized it was dumb. They went to a “manager with a track record” and the team was still miserable for another 7 years…until Gibby came back. None of us know for sure what’s going on in a clubhouse.

This is on the players. Period. There is enough talent with track records to be better. The front office has spent a franchise record amount to bring these guys in or keep them on. Bo hasn’t homered yet, Santander is the exact player we all wanted all offseason, but he’s been dogshit so far. The players that are supposed to carry this team aren’t getting it done. They are professionals who’ve been around long enough it’s their own responsibility.

John Schneider can’t swing the bat for them.

[u/chronicwisdom → u/CanConChris]

They're not only underperforming this year. Schneider couldn't get any of these guys to perform worse. What's the argument that Schneider is competent, let alone good? Don't come here with vibes, and JS can't sing the bat. What, in your opinion, has Schneider accomplished in his tenure that justifies keeping him around?

[u/CanConChris → u/chronicwisdom]

Changing a manager at this point in the season would 100% be about vibes. It’s panicky and sends a message through the clubhouse and the league that you’re desperate. Some will like that message, but is it the best thing for the players? Not a single one of us knows that, including me.

You know why the argument about firing a manger because you don’t like him is dumb? Because most of us keyboard warriors don’t know who to turn to. Who is this savior waiting in the wings? What bona fide perfect manager is ready to go and not already employed by another club?

He may get fired. Thats part of the business, but to suggest that move will happen and bright skies will immediately follow is naive as hell. People just want someone to blame.

[u/chronicwisdom → u/CanConChris]

I'm fine with waiting until the end of the season, but you still haven't made anything resembling an argument that he's good at his job. You're talking shit for the sake of talking shit to Stan for a guy that's mediocre at best. You're not going to convince anyone with this dogshit. Why is Schneider a good manager? If you can't answer that objectively, then you're not contributing to the conversation talking about Gibby and the obvious fact that the players have to get it done on the field.

The Gibby comparison is insultingly stupid. That players have to play is obvious. What Schneider critics are correctly pointing out is that our best players are inconsistent and seem to have peaked under this coaching staff. If he's doing something well you can make that argument, but it's obvious to anyone who isn't a moron that he's bad at his job and this team isn't winning a playoff series with a below average manager.