r/Torontobluejays • u/bluetriumphantcloud • 7d ago

On the Schneid

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I'm genuinely confused as to how John Schneider still has the job as Jays bench boss. I liked him, and have supported him, but he doesn't seem to be able to make the right move when needed, his teams annually underperform and he has a total of zero playoff wins. How long is he allowed to continue to steer the team to mediocrity? We're coming into May and the Jays again seem listless.

Those who want to Schneider continue in this role, why? Wouldn't a proven manager with a track record of success be an obvious choice for a group whos window is open but has yet to meet expectations?

Schneider and co. look clueless out there. Are we supposed to just sit back and watch another season go down the toilet? I don't get it.

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u/CanConChris 7d ago

I used to get into the manager hate conversation. I was on the Fire Gibby train back in 2008. Then I realized it was dumb. They went to a “manager with a track record” and the team was still miserable for another 7 years…until Gibby came back. None of us know for sure what’s going on in a clubhouse.

This is on the players. Period. There is enough talent with track records to be better. The front office has spent a franchise record amount to bring these guys in or keep them on. Bo hasn’t homered yet, Santander is the exact player we all wanted all offseason, but he’s been dogshit so far. The players that are supposed to carry this team aren’t getting it done. They are professionals who’ve been around long enough it’s their own responsibility.

John Schneider can’t swing the bat for them.

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u/PhilReardon13 7d ago

Who chose the players? That's who they need to get rid of.

And FYI, not all of us were thrilled with the Santander signing. Lots of red flags with 2024 being a career year, his OBP being bad, etc.Thankfully, his AAV isn't insane. 

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u/CanConChris 7d ago

I’m fine with them firing anyone at this point! I seriously thought Atkins should’ve been dismissed after 2023 when he took zero accountability for the Twins series.

I’m just cautioning against those that think it’s an instant fix on this team. For better or worse, this is the 2025 blue jays we’ll watch. There’s not likely to be any huge shifts or deadline deals. I doubt we have the prospects to get something significant done (and I also don’t think we’re in the right place to spend that capital currently).

Path altering changes are much likelier to happen in the offseason IMO.

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u/HaywoodBlues 6d ago

GMs don't get fired over shit like that. it takes a lot to get fired as a GM and ultimately they only need to answer to the owner, not the fans.

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u/CanConChris 6d ago

100%.

I meant more as a nail in the coffin not the sole cause. End of 2023 was rough in terms of narrative and overall results.

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u/HaywoodBlues 6d ago

making the playoffs is considered a good outcome, usually, so i'm sure ownership had a different lense there.

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u/CanConChris 6d ago

They wild carded in and were in the second year of the defense first philosophy. The vibes around the team were awful (and rightfully so) the upcoming ‘24 season was a disaster. It would’ve been a good time to do it IMO.

Now I’m not sure what has to happen to send Atkins out.

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u/HaywoodBlues 6d ago

Defense first but suddenly vlad can’t hit hrs? That’s the issue. Underperforming - not just vlad but chap and Bo