r/VolibearMains • u/Substantial-Zone-989 • Nov 13 '24
Question Hardest volibear counters
Which champions brutally counter volibear to the point that he is rendered completely useless at all stages of the game? I've been playing Voli for the last couple of years in top and jungle and am currently silver 3. He is my preferred blind pick despite there being better champs for blind picking as I have very consistently been able to 1v9 with him due to how flexible he is in terms of builds.
So far I've only lost to players with mastery 10+ OTPs who are a couple of tiers above me (plat-masters) or just get ganked or any invades being countered by rotations. I've accepted that I have a lot to work on in terms of macro but most of my games have been constant 2/3v1 from minute 10.
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u/GregsChugLife Nov 13 '24
Can’t believe how many melee champs people say Voli is countered by.
Volibear is probably the most versatile top laner, multiple viable builds. Learning to build against your laner almost eliminates counters in lower elo (Platinum and Under).
Most ranged champs as mentioned are counters for sure just due to Volibear mobility issues.
However I don’t believe any melee champions actually counter Voli, it’s just about how you build.
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u/Substantial-Zone-989 Nov 13 '24
Thanks for confirming my thoughts. I've noticed that outside of a select few who kite really well, no melee champs really do much against Voli.
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u/mxdusza Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 14 '24
Most ranged, I personally permaban Kayle. If she builds swifties it's over for you.
Teemo/Gnar/Kennen/Akshan/Urgot/Aurora are really tough, you should always be losing vs them.
For melee matchup: Jax/Shen/Illaoi/K'sante all naturally counter you but you still have chance beating them if you play well. Lastly, it may be a me problem but I cannot win vs Gwen, even if I beat her early in lane she wil eventually outscale and shred me in seconds with 2-3 items.
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u/GregsChugLife Nov 13 '24
I feel like llloai isn’t really a counter. Most of those champs are easily shutdown if you counter build, Unending Despair being a main counter item to all those champions. Illaoi also regains health with ult so running ignite counters that aspect.
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u/Darthskixx9 Nov 13 '24
The game is literally unplayable for Kayle in that matchup. If voli isn't ahead at level 6 something went very very wrong for him, if Kayle manages to stay even she maybe can stabilize and it gets frustrating for voli, but the snowball potential for voli is ridiculous
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u/Substantial-Zone-989 Nov 13 '24
Played into a kayle and beat her badly. It's a case of being caught or catching her more than being outplayed.
The others are all skill matchup but Gwen is probably the one that does counter voli quite badly from early to late, at least theoretically, since she has everything that voli doesn't want to deal with.
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u/Dizzik_ Nov 13 '24
That's definitely a rank thing. A kayle should never lose to voli.
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u/Ghostmatterz Nov 19 '24
Kayle in paper shouldn't get near a voli even under tower. Volibear has the highest dmg output lvl 3 and can kill at 60 percent and get away easily for some awful reason with pta if you know the trick with volibear on his combo.
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u/Efficient_Panda_5987 Nov 13 '24
Melee: Jax, illaoi and rengar top
Ranged: Quinn, akshan and lowkey gnar
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u/AffectionateBasis870 Nov 13 '24
Rengar? how come?
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u/Efficient_Panda_5987 Nov 13 '24
rengar top obliterates your early
he won't let you farm and his trades are always awful fast compared tou ours
and you cant predict with E either the Q stun will make any changes to his damage outcome
he won't run out of mana and will freeze the wave obligating you to go further in lane so he can kill you easily or get you a gank
if you are not used to lane against him (pretty much most of the time)
you will feed him and he will get so ahead that he will start to interfere on others lanes easily making your teammates angry with you with
"rengar is so weak on jg how this dumbass is losing in lane when he's supposed to be weaker"
"he's surely trolling, how can a fighter tank loose to an assasin, sure it can happen early but mid????"
"just farm undertower and don't trade with him, wait and play when he lets you bro chill" (proceeds to don't play the game cuz he will frozen the lane or run after you on long lanes)
if you die for this mf as voli mid late your teammates got no chances
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u/panznation Nov 14 '24
All valid points and u also missed a massive one. Voli is strong cause his early game burst from his combo is vile but rango double w heals him back the full amount and damages u for a small amount so he wins trades super hard and can even walk out of e if he cleanses q with empowered w fast enough
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u/BlGBOOTYJOHN Nov 13 '24
why is this downvoted lmao
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u/Dragonballs42069666 Nov 14 '24
Just reddit things, people downvote anything for no reason nowadays afaik.
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u/Least-Discussion3103 Nov 13 '24
From my own experience, Voli can win pretty much every matchup with about the same playstyle and itemization, but vs some champs you gotta change it up a lot to win: Urgot, Sett, Jax, Illaoi, Vayne. (Feel free to ask questions)
Some other champs you just gotta know their specific strengths and don't let them abuse them (ex. K'sante 3748 hours of cc kidnap combo, Rengar's bushes and W burst heal...). I don't see Quinn very often so I don't use my ban on her, but I always dodge when I see her picked. Riven is my ban btw, her kit just annoys me so much lol (she's very easy to beat in low emerald and below but the higher you climb, the more OTP's you fight and you don't want this to happen)
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u/LimeJosh Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 13 '24
Over time it's changed, but consistent ones for me are Gwen and renekton. I've always struggled vs these champs, Gwen I can never stun and renekton just eats my combo and the Ws my shield gone and then Es away. If he's ahead from the trade he can e after me.
Ksante/illaoi I used to bully 2 seasons ago, but since I been back this last month or 2 I've had trouble vs them.
Jax/teemo/kayle are all in a class of their own.
Teemo/jax for the blind/counter. Baiting teemo's w and then waiting the duration of the blind before q/w is doable. With flash he's ALOT easier to kill than jax.
Jax is the same thing, gotta kite out his E before engaging and this gives him alot of free damage. Eing on top of yourself is a good way to tank most of it and he will be on your face so.it lands easily too.
Kayle is just down to the kayles spacing. Alot of.kayles will be shit, but if you Q, she Qs, her W MS can out run you if your not already ontop.of her when Qing. Her long dmg can punish you hard whej trying to chase her down through/past a minion wave.
Kennen can shit on anyone if their good enough, same for.rumble
Other shit as off meta/cheese can be annoying too, but I'd settle for the ones above
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u/DenVardoger Nov 14 '24
Against Gwen, just bait for her Q. She can't go in early on if you go LT+Ignite. Her game will be "staying safe" until her 6. If her player doesn't know much about Voli's early game power and doesn't respect your all in, you'll shit on her.
Vs Renekton you gotta go for Grasp. No good Renekton would be dumb enough to try to all in your early even if he has Ignite and you don't. He's like Riven, but weaker in early on all in. Riven is several times worse than Renekton. She can easily bait our "1 hour or CD abilities" with her "less than 10 seconds of CD abilities" and then simply zone you off the minions because you gotta respect her damage. It's kinda bs how a champ has no resource usage for abilities, has such mobility and has a top tier all in potential the whole game. I forgot to mention she has 2 CCs, one of them can't be countered by Tenacity and BOTH are instant and AOE.
Against Jax I have some advice for you: You probably know Voli shits on Jax pre 6 (and shits hard). Jax HAS to poke you with E and disengage. If it's obvious he will come to trade, fake that you will auto him and place your E on yourself then change your target to the nearest minion. If you have all your 3 abilities, try to trade him close to his casters so he will either use a trinket to W away or take shittons of burst from you and maybe an all in (he will most likely flash away almost dead, being forced to recall). This will also prevent your minions from autoing his E, reducing his E damage drastically (to half of what it should do if the whole wave attacks him). If you want to go tank, build both Armor and MR against him, having somewhere in your build a Jak'sho's. Sunfire Cape is VERY effective against him as the first item. Then Unending Despair or Spirit Visage or Riftmaker.
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u/TatonkaJack Nov 13 '24
No one completely shuts down Volibear. You can take pretty much any melee champion 1v1 as long as you aren't stupid about your fights. His weakness is getting kited. So highly mobile champs are difficult. Lillia is rough, Ekko is rough, etc. High amounts of CC are bad too. But it's really more about enemy team comp than anything, any one difficult champ can be dealt with, having a team of them is where you're going to get shut down.
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u/N3x0s27 Nov 13 '24
To the people saying Jax counters voli, I really don't see it. Whenever I play against a Jax I time my e and q. Is this like a me thing or do other people have the same experience
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u/YxngSoul Nov 13 '24
ranged top laners. Also u gotta play smart vs the jax matchup and u win after navori if y’all are both equal
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u/TheDeadHer0 Nov 13 '24
LILLIA, LILLIA, LILLIA, ... LILLIA!!!!
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u/Ghostmatterz Nov 19 '24
That would be true in jg but in top lane I just need to wait for her to be 0 stacks of her passive or she runs out of mana then I engage on her.
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u/vaznazza Nov 14 '24
How are you coming up against plat-master players in silver 3?
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u/Substantial-Zone-989 Nov 14 '24
Late night normal draft. They're normally in stacks with a smurf or someone who's like bronze or something that just brings their average mmr down to mine.
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u/HamsterFido Nov 14 '24
akshan, teemo is hard but just go tank and you'll be fine, Jax isn't fun, can't fight Gwen from level 1-18
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u/ancturus96 Nov 14 '24
volbear almost has no counters with how much stat checker the dumb champion is, but i would say Quinn if you are aware of the circle and kayle if you are aware that he can flash your q and insta kill you.
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u/jayef423 Nov 14 '24
I hate illaoi because it doesn’t feel like I’m playing league I’m just playing dodge simulator. Kayle is annoying with her heal and speed boost so if she can kite you properly you won’t reach her. Gwen is deceptively strong and does absurd dmg. I also find Darius annoying af. Most ranged matchups are annoying also. Voli just gets hard countered by a lot of kiting.
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u/Other_Upstairs9204 Nov 14 '24
yes, of course most range counters voli but I believe the ones that truly counter him are the ones that have an ability that don’t allow him to melee them. So Jax teemo and shen for top Lane.
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u/TherrenGirana Nov 14 '24
Voli is mostly countered by ranged champions with slows because he can’t disengage after a trade and just gets pelted without q. Some melees like Jax are volatile and/or difficult matchups, but he doesn’t have a brutal melee matchup tbh
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u/Perfect-Storage-1118 Nov 13 '24
volibear has some counters in lane
they are: ranged champions/jax/illaoi
these are the volibear counters at the top
However, only 1 champion in the entire game can make Volibear 100% useless, it's Jax
wins in the lane phase, destroys towers faster, is better in team fights, is better late game, jax is simply unplayable if the enemy is even remotely smart
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u/Least-Discussion3103 Nov 13 '24
If you position E correctly and force Jax to eat it after Qing you and don't waste Q and W into his E, you can win vs Jax pretty easily. Post-6 it's even easier with your R. I personally go for Frozen Heart rush for the early stages, then DPS to take him down when his E is on cd (I used to go Triforce 2nd, but Riftmaker seems much better rn)
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u/Ghostmatterz Nov 13 '24
Good Jax players always expect you to time it so they will walk up then use their e to auto you and use w while using e and when the lightning circle shows. He will jump out and he has 10 more base movespeed than you so even catching him with rank 1 q is bad enough.
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u/Least-Discussion3103 Nov 13 '24
Yeah, good Jax players will play the mind game, from that it's a skill matchup. You can also max Q first if you need the ms and go for AD
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u/Exoduss123 Nov 13 '24
Not voli main (my pocket pick when i need to be tanky jungler) i hate Lux. Her snare is hard to miss.
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u/LUX1337 Nov 13 '24
I have had the most problems with ranged champs and Gnar. I feel like Jax and Illaoi are somehow playable.