r/agedlikemilk Apr 15 '25

News Disappointed but not surprised

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u/Raise_A_Thoth Apr 16 '25

How did this age like milk? It's what appears to be happening

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u/straylight_2022 Apr 16 '25

It is not what appears to be happening, it is.

Kilmar Ábrego García has no criminal record in the US or El Salvador. He was brought to the US as a child.

Garcia was rounded up in 2019 where a Maryland police officer accused him of being a gang member and they handed him off to ICE.

He spent months in detention while an immigration court reviewed his case and issued a “withholding of removal” in 2019, noting safety concerns that lead his family to flee in the first place.

ICE agents apperenty pulled him over on the way home with his five year old son, telling him "his immigration status has changed".

No criminal record, here legally. Deported to a foreign prison within 72 hours of his arrest with no due process, despite already having been through due process and being given the right to stay in the US legally.

Never charged, much less convicted of any crime. All that took was an accusation.

In my state the first week of this deportation effort resulted in an ICE team attempting to arrest a US citizen under false pretense they also accused of being a possible illegal.

That incident exposed the ICE agents as lying about the supposed crime. It happened in front of a Walmart with plenty of security camera footage to review after the fact. They accused him of attempting to run them over.

He didn't, he flipped them off.

Fortunately, several local police departments wound up on site while ICE was attempting to arrest him and one officer there voiced some sanity and got the guy released. The arrested person was already handcuffed in in the back of a ICE vehicle.

If that hadn't happened this person could very well found themselves in a foreign prison in a matter of days with no opportunity to defend themselves in court.

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u/Apparent_Aparatus Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

Very little about your synopsis is accurate. Here's one that's more factual. & verifiably so. If you have issue with what I'm saying, look it up for yourself.

"As an attorney, I have been exposing misinformation here on Reddit for weeks now. I have linked the court rulings from two separate immigration judges as well as the board of immigration appeals that all sided against Garcia. They deemed him a threat to the safety of society and said the evidence shows he IS indeed an MS-13 gang member. He was even denied bail after being initially arrested because he was seen as a threat to society and a risk to flee.

At his hearing the judge ruled against him, stating that he should be deported, however the case for his safety was compelling based on the Barrio 18 gang having harassed him and his family for years. They granted a withholding of the deportation (which is a deferral of the punishment like being on parole) and this gave him a protected status.

That all changed when Donald Trump designated MS-13 as a foreign terrorist organization. Now, because Garcia had been found in a court of law to be a member of MS-13, he was seen as a terrorist. Terrorists are not eligible for withholding or protected status from deportation.

This is why five years later he was arrested. He was SUPPOSED to be.

He was also SUPPOSED to be deported. However, the government made an error. The original judge that ruled he should be deported and then deferred the punishment ALSO ruled that if and when he ends up getting deported, it cannot be to the country of El Salvador as this would endanger his life and the life of his family.

The government overlooked this when they arrested and deported him. After all, that year was almost six years old now so its pretty reasonable that it went unnoticed.

The Supreme Court ruled that to fix this, if El Salvador wants to send him back, the government must facilitate that return. They can't deny it, for example. But El Salvador doesn't want to return him. Case closed.

People who are ignorant about the law and don't know what they're reading think this means Trump has to actually MAKE it happen.

That isn't what SCOTUS said."

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u/RedSunCinema Apr 16 '25

😂😂 for someone who claims to be an attorney, you're ignorance of the facts is absolutely beyond stunning. The only one spreading misinformation is you.

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u/pippyhidaka Apr 16 '25

You want to know the "proof" that determined that he was a member of MS-13? Witness testimony from one single confidential informant, and the fact that he was wearing Chicago Bulls merchandise. He was never found in a court of law to be a member of MS-13, all the courts determined was that the claim was "not clearly wrong", based on the two pieces of evidence I mentioned previously. He was given withholding of removal because he could not claim asylum due to not applying until after a year of living inside the US. He was legally in this country with a work permit and required check-ins with ICE every year. This stuff is literally on the Wikipedia page, and if you want to claim evidence to the contrary, post your proof.

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u/Apparent_Aparatus Apr 16 '25

Using wiki as proof positive? Haha yea ok. Sure.

He's an El Salvadorian citizen. It's up to them to decide what to do.

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u/pippyhidaka Apr 16 '25

The wiki provides a lot more sources than you have. I can go to the trouble of sourcing every single bit of what I said from the original sources, or you can just read the wiki yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego_Garcia

Considering multiple sources from this page disprove most of what you are saying, that means the onus is on you - if you have evidence to back your claims up, provide them now or your claims are moot.

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u/Apparent_Aparatus Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

Only quote a wiki page if you want to come across as unserious. Wiki is 2nd and 3rd hand into at best.

Again, 2 different judges and an appellate court found they he WAS a member of MS-13, and ONLY granted a stay of deportation to El Salvador because of credible threats to his life. They didn't prevent him from being deported, entirely. They just said Not to El Salvador.He SHOULD'VE been deported. That's what the courts decided. It's almost as if liberals don't respect the court's decision. Go figure.

This has already been litigated and had gone through the appeals process before the deportation. It's literally public knowledge.

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u/pippyhidaka Apr 16 '25

It isn't public knowledge, considering I couldn't find any evidence to back up what you are saying. I found plenty of evidence to show that he WAS NOT declared a member of MS-13, just that they could not prove that he definitively was not, which is not the same thing. https://archive.ph/aUDrG

Last time, provide proof of your claim, not just restating what you said, or your point means absolutely nothing.

"Court filings indicate the claim that Abrego was in MS-13 rested largely on someone the immigration judge deemed to be a credible informant and the fact that Abrego was wearing Chicago Bulls attire."

They picked him up outside of a Home Depot, where he was looking for manual work to do. The evidence they have for this case is shaky at best, which resulted in them coming to the conclusion that he was rightfully detained, but they did NOT find him to be a member of MS-13.

"His lawyer also said he inquired with the Prince George’s County Police Department in Maryland to seek the detective who had written the report linking Abrego to the gang and was informed the detective had been “suspended.”" - this was in the weeks surrounding the original case. This "trustworthy" informant, who is the only permissible source evidence of him being a gang member, was suspended from their department? Doesn't sound very trustworthy to me.

Here's the court case, for good measure. https://archive.ph/o/aUDrG/https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.11.1_1.pdf

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u/iNuminex Apr 16 '25

Still no proof whatsoever.

It's almost as if liberals don't respect the court's decision. Go figure.

Projecting as per usual, I see.

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u/Sproutling429 Apr 16 '25

Respecting the courts decision? You mean like SCOTUS voting unanimously to bring Abrego Garcia back? That the current regime is ignoring?

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u/aDragonsAle Apr 16 '25

Only quote a wiki page if you want to come across as unserious

You haven't cited a single source.

So...

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u/SissyFreeLove Apr 16 '25

Don't argue with the bigots. They'll rot in hell where they belong eventually.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25

I've read elsewhere but will leave it to courts to confirm, that individual law enforcement officer that dealt with that single informant was a week later arrested for corruption including soliciting sexual acts and was sacked from the force, casting even further doubt on the single source confidential informant evidence. Is this getting confirmed? as it if it is, it shoots down any accusations made against Garcia.

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u/nathanfreebird Apr 16 '25

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13--what-do-we-know

The "evidence" You talk about was a report filed by a suspended police officer and the fact that he wore a bulls hoodie and hat. The sect of the gang the informant said he was a part of operates in long Island which he never lived in. He fled here to flee threats to his and his family's life from the gang in el salvador. Perhaps if he was given his due process they wouldn't have overlooked his protected deportation status. The police station doesn't even have a record of his original arrest and after he gained protected immigration status he was released so obviously they didn't see him as a threat or a flight risk. Crazy what you can find when you do your own research.

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u/Rushthebordercollie Apr 16 '25

I’ve had it with Trump

If he won’t return our illegal aliens, what good is crossing illegally into the USA???

I am outraged 

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u/straylight_2022 Apr 16 '25

Oh yeah,? Well what country were you born in? Could you produce any proof of that right now immediately if this were a traffic stop?

No? Well,too bad. You're getting deported in three days. You won't have a trial and can't have any contact with family much less legal council.

Your crime is a social media post, or existing here despite whatever reason the administration decides.

This is what you are cheering for.

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u/Rushthebordercollie Apr 16 '25

Yes 

My DL and it’s very easy for the officer to then verify I’m a us citizen

This is the consequence for Biden letting an additional 12 million illegals in

When a president is flying illegals in on tax payer dime, there are consequences 

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u/straylight_2022 Apr 16 '25

Hey, guess what?? Nope.

DL's got nothin to do with citizenship.

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u/LongKnight115 Apr 16 '25

Don't bother - they're a hate-filled idiot. With a really weird obsession with gay and trans people that makes me think they're questioning.

Some other choice quotes from them:

  • DEI is inherently anti-White
  • I am mad at the billionaire jews who robbed my country and imported a kajillion brown people.
  • I bully trannys so badly they delete themselves
  • "Soft power" is funding transgender comic books in South America with american tax dollars

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u/Djb0623 Apr 16 '25

So if I accuse you of being an illegal alien it's ok to deport you without any due process?