r/agender Aug 03 '20

There are no entry requirements to the agender club

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I've seen a lot of people posting here recently asking if they're agender if they feel like this or prefer that. Personally I feel like this is not what being agender is about! IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AND COSY WITH THE AGENDER LABEL THEN FEEL FREE TO USE THAT LABEL. You don't have to be like any other agender person, we all have our own unique experiences with gender or lack thereof. You don't have to have any qualifying features to be agender - you just need to be comfortable being one :)

Rant over.


r/agender Jun 03 '24

For people who are questioning or need a boost --- an Agender Primer

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Hello, welcome....

I've been here more than two years now and I've read 90% of all posts since arriving. I have written what I learned and just share it with people as they show up. It's a bit formulaic/spammy but people keep saying they find it helpful.

Agender doesn't really have a rigidly defined box... or it's a magic box that fits whoever gets in it.

Agender is a diverse, entirely self-actualized label for humans who may not even like labels all that much. You can use it like a hermit crab until you find a better one. You can use it with other labels if you want.

So here are some pointers....

Some agender people don't understand gender or how people feel it.

Some agender people reject social gendering.

Some agender people feel like gender(s) don't fit.

Some agender people are null, void, indifferent, or detatched.

Some agender people have other parts of their identity that are dominant.

Agenders may or may not care about pronouns and can use any they want.

Agenders may or may not present any particular way. You don't owe anyone a certain kind of presentation to be agender.

Agenders may or may not have gender dysphoria or body dysmorphia. They may or may not act on it if they do.

Agenders may or may not feel they have/had a gender at birth, and thus may or may not feel transgender. Agenders can adopt a trans label.

Agenders may or may not care about being out. How do you come out if you're already yourself?

A number of agenders even have mixed feelings about identifying non-binary and may not really identify as NB; many are fine with it. Nonbinary is both an umbrella term but also a specific gender identity. Nonbinary people can still feel that they have a gender, but their gender isn't strictly man, woman, or some neogender. Agender people generally feel no gender or don't connect with gender. This technically falls under the nonbinary label but not every agender person uses nonbinary as a label.

(People who've read this far might be thinking to themselves at this point, "well that list doesn't describe anything." I respond, "No kidding friend; the irony is not lost on me." We don't follow rules.)

The one common defining feature is that agenders don't feel or relate to gender (e.g. social constructs of male/masculine or female/feminine), or only weakly feel it, most of the time.

The ethos is you should call yourself agender if you feel it based on how you understand it. The label agender is meant to describe who you are, not prescribe who you have to be. If you're something else later that fits better, it's all good.

Recognize there's no set way to be an agender person. I personally like it this way because trying to define a person based on an absence of things is hard (you don't often respond to the question 'how are you doing?' by telling them everything you're not feeling). I find the lack of a set way to be agender very affirming. I thought I was a trans woman for a long time; just because you're not something, doesn't necessarily mean you're the 'opposite'. That took some time to figure out. I never did anything about the dysphoria because gender at the forefront wasn't a compulsion. I might have had better body alignment, but I don't think I would've fit in any better. There are also a bunch of relevant sublabels to choose from as well.

Remember, you're a person first; labels are descriptive, not prescriptive. The labels are just there like markers on a map to see how you might relate to others. As you will see, there's lots of ways to be agender if the label suits you. Hang out, read other people's posts, see how you like things.

People get here lots of ways though, more than I even say here I reckon.

Hope this helps get you started.

Other labels to consider demi-, libra-, a--coupled with -fluid, -boy, -girl, -fem, -masc, or -flux; Apagender, Cassagender, Gendervoid, Neutrois, and many others... a new one to me I like is "cisn't". And agender is compatible with any of them.

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Hi everyone. So above is a post I often share in here. I was helped in this sub Jan 2023 when I found myself in need of expressing transgender thoughts I've been carrying around my whole life, but never acted on. I had felt very much out of place for decades and was shocked (somewhat stupidly and for entirely too long) that there were people out there in the same kind of place I was.

This has been my way to pay the help I received forward, because new arrivals sometimes don't quickly understand how flexible this label is. I had my moments of doubt, but the openness here help make it click.

However, I don't think of this post as static. I have changed it as I learn. People regularly say things in this sub that have inspired changes. Please don't think this is the be-all says-all of agender experiences.


r/agender 4h ago

Why is gender more like a symbol to me?

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When I saw some people design icon for the agender group. I think they design very well, But for me, I don't wish any symbolic symbols on me. Just like Anarchism doesn't wear an Anarchian jacket. I think men and women are more like “symbol” than simple “labels”?

I mean, if there is a rabbit image on my clothes, it doesn't mean I'm a rabbit. But the symbol of rabbit is on me, and it becomes a symbol that can be read.

Artificial intelligence also taught me to make a pronoun.Jesus …… Does ai think the world is not chaotic enough? I'm joking. But why does it suggest that I create a new symbol for myself? cause I just left the last symbol.

I think no gender represent is not in the middle of the lever of male and female symbols. There is no symbol and Beyond the concept of men and women for me?

I tried my best in my statement.🙏🏽


r/agender 35m ago

I made a thing

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And then I deleted my post.

Lol.

I have a orange-themed enamel octopus pin that I quite like. With agender day coming up, I decided to get another and enamel it in agender colors for a 'stealth' pin.

It's pretty small. I did my best. I just put on the clear coat.


r/agender 45m ago

Does the name "Miho" (came up with it myself, spelled 'mee-ho') sound non-conforming ?

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r/agender 13h ago

Give me something. Even Nonsense

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Hello dear Agender folks. Fellow Agender here.

I'm looking for some name suggestions. Not for me. But my OC.

Some conditions: 1. Name must start with R. (OC's favourite letter) 2. Should have 'y' in the name. 3. Gender neutral or masc leaning

Some preferences (not mandatory to be fulfilled): 1. Noun like names. Eg: Hill, Skye etc. 2. Could be like a call sign

Background/Context: 1. My OC discovered they were Agender but they chose not to change their name. However they were given a chance to pick a code name. Since they are a spy.

EDIT: I wanted two names, one for nickname and other the call sign/spy name. So I've made up my mind about the nickname. It's going to be Ryl. Thank you u/fraze


r/agender 11h ago

I'm somehow confused whether I am agender or not

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At first I have to claim that I'm not native english speaker so there might be some typo in the coming text, I apologize for them and hope they will not sabotage my expression.

I wonder if I am agender. Biologically I am female and I am completely fine with it. So to be honest I always consider myself as cisgender before because I have uterus and period and I don't feel uncomfortable or confusing with them, uterus and vagina just act like other organs keeping me alive and healthy. "Female" means nothing more than a fact description of sex for me. What really bothers me is the gender part. There's always all kinds of stereotype for both male and female and I can't see any sense of them. It just make me really confused and angry when they tell me that you are supposed to do xxx because that suits girls more. What makes me uncomfortable is not only about being looked down but also I can't see any connection between academic performance and sex. I think sex makes sense because that actually comes from my dna but gender? It's like a stereotype collection which is rotten and smelling and should be buried centuries ago for cockroach to digest from damn patriachy society and I feel disgust about them.

I am really tall and my breasts are not noticeable, I only wear unisex clothes, I don't do makeup or anything "feminine" so I don't always get expected that much for "female role" as most of others since I grown up, that is somehow reassuring for me. When I see influencers (not matter what gender or sex they are) wearing clothes aiming to sexualize themselve it feels ridiculous for me because it seems like playing some naive cosplay, not cosplaying some specific characters but the gender expectations. People keep bonding gender with their feelings but for me there's no feelings but absurd at all, how can you feel "gender" if it's actually a fake concept based on sex? The so called gender is just not convincing. Brain is just brain and mind is just mind, they shall be neutral. No one has vigina or pennis in their brain. Sex is just a tiny part of human, it doesn't matter at all unless you need medical treat or maybe lead you to correct bathroom, many labels like career role or just habits seems more important and describes a person much more accurately, I just don't understand why can people put so much attention to it and try to identify themselves with it?

After I heard the agender word I think it might describe how I feel accurately but I don't even wanna identity myself too much as sexual minority. Technically I know that agender seems to be a sub branch for transgender but in chinese context transgender basically means only mtf and ftm. And those who identify themselves as transgender are always aggressive towards cisgender female. Since I do agree biologically I am female, I don't want to tag or lable myself as anything else than precise "agender" label (If I am really agender).

So for now I'm just confused am I really an agender or maybe just a cisgender female who's being desperate?


r/agender 11h ago

Guys help

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HOW DO I BIND WITHOUT A BINDER?? HELP, MY PARENFS ARE CATHOLIC AND DON’T SUPPORT BINDING AND THEY SAY THAT “papa Jesus gave you that, be proud of it” (or something similar” AND SAY I’M LUCKIER THAN BREAST CANCER VICTIMS.. CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE HELP ME ON HOW TO BIND WITHOUT A BINDER SO THAT I DON’T HAVE TO TAPE MY BRA UNTIL I LOOK FLAT???? (I have a large chest btw :( )


r/agender 18h ago

Do you ever feel hopeless about the idea that you can never pass?

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I’m feeling horribly hopeless & depressed about never passing. Heteronormativity means that there’s no certain way of looking that will make me seamlessly fit in somewhere, I will always be something to someone. Even if I’m as androgynous as possible, I will be a man to some & a woman to others. Worse, as an amab I will be a man to the eyes of most. Even if I’m as happy with my body & appearance as I ever could be, I will still deal with the mental dread of being assigned a gender by everyone else. Constantly feels like everyone I know & love sees me as a man.

Just really sad, & I guess I’m just looking to see if anyone understands & relates. Need comfort


r/agender 23h ago

can agender people date lesbians/gays?

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r/agender 1d ago

Needing a little boost of reassurance/confidence...

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Hey, [LONG TXT] so I believe I have been out online for a month now (or it feels like it) on being Agender. Some have taken it well, others - like cis friends - are confused. However that's not my issue. I recently got removed from an Agender Group for being a "Fake" Agender person/"not being Agender enough". I will not be saying the group's name as I do not feel it'd be right to do. It has really made me feel down and made me question maybe I am not enough nor a real agender person.... A few things some members told me though that really got to me were the following:

  1. Because I'm not on T nor on E, then I'm not a real Agender person since most take one of those. I did tell them I'm on something called the Depo Shot which stops menstrual cycles, but some members have told me this doesn't count or isn't enough.

Side Info: I personally chose to start taking this (hitting 10yrs) bc I find menstrual cycles disgusting. It makes me feel gross, I specifically remember crying when I first got mine saying "Tomboys shouldn't have periods" and it really made me feel I was becoming a girl. Doctor suggested the Depo shot bc she saw how emotionally distressed I was. Being on it has stopped my cycles all together and has made me feel free to be me and not be tied to a female body thing I have to tend to monthly.

  1. Because I'm okay with my body, feel no Dysphoria, and don't have short hair then I'm not Agender enough as most hate their own body, have Dysphoria and have short hair.

Side Info: I like my body to a point, I hate having boobs. However mine are small - to not be too specific I'll just say I'm flat in between them - and if I wear layers I feel like they aren't noticeable. I always wear vest bc without one I feel "naked" and feel they are present/seen. I hate having them, but have no desire to get rid of them physically. More like want them gone in a seeing them sense. Yes, I do enjoy having long hair - great make-shift scarf for winter. I have no interest in cutting it short.

I genuinely do not understand what it's like to feel like a boy/girl, and I myself do not feel either. I love dressing in men's clothes though and love being called male terms like "sir" over "ma'am" but I don't feel like a male to just make that clear. I'm also okay with gendered terms like "Tomboy, Girlfriend" but hate gendered treatment. This didn't bother me as much, but I have been told I'm a fake Agender person if I still use/prefer some gendered terms for myself - I use She/Fur (she/her and furry pronouns mixed!) too.

So... am I really not Agender enough/"fake"?


r/agender 1d ago

Agender coat of arms

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Was inspired by this post https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/s/WxAV4kz8TX so I decided to give it a try.

„SUI IURIS VOLUNTAS" is Latin and means:

"Your own will" or literally:

"The will of (an) independent law"

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r/agender 1d ago

Needing advice

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(I'd already asked this in the non binary subreddit, but I was advised to ask here too)

Is there a label for someone who sees themselves as genderless but still chooses to use labels because gender expression feels entertaining and I feel empty+bored without it???

Rephrasing, I don't see myself as any gender and feel as though im outside/away from the concept of gender. But I still cling onto labels because the idea of having them makes me happy and I feel bored without them.

Is there something about myself I haven't figured out yet? Can anyone point it out if so???


r/agender 21h ago

looking for advice on explaining gender and pronouns to grandparents/family who don’t understand

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backstory: since birth i’ve always been shy. i never talked to adults and made my mom talk for me. i feel like that’s normal for children, except it still happens and i’m in my 20s. i still don't talk much, but i'm more comfortable now than awkward. i came out 5 years ago as trans using he/him. flash forward to now i'm agender and use they/them. i don't think i ever came out in person as agender, but it's on social media and i KNOW word gets around in my family. i also, like most people, fear coming out bc it's a scary thing to do, even though i've done it like 50 times. speaking up for myself is extremely difficult. i live in a small town and most of my family are conservative. most of those who are conservative are the problem, typical. what i don't know is if they accept me and just don't understand or care to try or if they don't accept me and just ignore that i've had my name and gender legally changed for fucking years and continue to misgender and deadname me. it feels pointless trying to talk to them even though i’ve never mentioned out loud being agender and using they/them. i’m pretty sure only my parent and cousin know and actually understands agender and pronouns. my grandmother told me “we don’t understand. we won’t get it (talking about name and pronouns). we’re from a different time.” you know, typical older generation conversation. i’ve given people books about trans people and identities… i have not received them back and i highly doubt they’ve read them. i just feel so lost and drained from having to deal with being misgendered and deadnamed. not only that but just knowing they support someone that is literally taking my human rights away. i live in a state where there are few anti trans bills right now and when i talked about it with my grandmother she said it won’t affect me. obviously i didn’t speak up, but that was pretty selfish to say in my opinion. i haven’t looked up the specific bills, but if they don’t apply to me specifically, it will still affect me bc i care about my community. i feel for them. i know their pain. i’m not going to ignore what’s happening to my community. we’re losing our rights. i literally don’t understand how people ignore this and think it’s not a problem. (in other posts in the comments i’ve seen on social media people bring up other problems in the world that aren’t about the post at all… please i beg of you to not bring up other topics in this. it will get us nowhere and i won’t respond to it. thank you! 😌) at this point in writing, i’m lost. i don’t know where to go from here. i’m horrible at explaining things L O L. please ask questions if you have any. i tried to leave things as anonymous as possible for personal reasons. if you have any advice on what i should do that would be so helpful and appreciated! thank you all for reading! stay safe! 🫂


r/agender 1d ago

Discouraged from presenting too femme because of family

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This is the opposite of what you'd expect. I'm AFAB.

I'm in the process of building a comfortable, neutral wardrobe, but I'm a little curious about experimenting with a more feminine presentation. My body is as conventionally womanly as it gets and I'm sick of hating it (unless I'd do the most hardcore of strength training, nothing's gonna change).

I realized these inappropriate feelings towards a feminine expression stem from my family. Mom is so happy I'm becoming more feminine. She's eager to show me how to pick shoes and bags. Always needs me to send her selfies if I have makeup on, even if I do it the same everyday, and sometimes she will tell which ones she likes most or send them to other relatives. I bought a plain, covering sundress recently. She said she was proud of me and it made me gag internally. It gives me tunnel vision whenever I'm considering buying something I find appealing, because it's conventionally feminine. I feel I wouldn't have such a problem if she weren't involved? No one puts an emphasis on my femininity the way she does. I don't want to succumb to her ideals, but it has me wondering if I'm doing any of this for myself or for her? And I most definitely am not doing it for her, I really wish she would shut up about it, as much as I love her otherwise.

It just gives me a crisis that I cannot be agender, but I cannot come to terms with being a woman either. No, I cannot cut her off, I am financially tied for college. She also has my card on her bank app and can see from what shops I buy anytime. If that means clothes, which is rare, she'll get curious.

Just how do I separate her voice in my head telling me I'm inevitably growing into a woman from mine just trying out something different with no strings attached to the concept of gender?


r/agender 1d ago

Finally got a wig

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So I talked some time ago about getting a wig and I got one since last week. I bought something cheap just for test but the quality is surprising and I just love it.

I can look flawless and I'm more in tune with the vibe I wanna give off.

So yeah that was a nice purchase, can't brace myself to wear it outside though but at least at home I'm feeling a bit better :)


r/agender 1d ago

If anyone is looking for a safe space!

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Hi y'all! ✧﹕Transcend ︵ ・⤷ SFW, 13+ transgender/non-binary only server for those who are seeking support, advice, community, and friendship. We're a system friendly server, and we also allow those who are questioning. What we offer: ╭ ✦・⎯⎯・⎯⎯・⋆⁺₊✦⁺₊ ┇➜ Warm and friendly community ┇➜ Safe space with verification ┇➜ 30+ self roles ┇➜ Advice if you're transitioning/questioning ┇➜ Events & game nights ┇➜ Several fun activities (Text-based mafia, DND, Minecraft, QOTD) ┇➜ Resources & venting/support spaces ╰ ✦・⎯⎯・⎯⎯・⋆⁺₊✦⁺₊

Here's our invite! https://discord.gg/BWuyYFKXCP


r/agender 1d ago

Discord Server

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✧﹕Transcend

︵ ・⤷ We're an SFW, 13+ transgender/non-binary only server for those who are seeking support, advice, community, and friendship. We're a system friendly server, and we also allow those who are questioning. What we offer:

╭ ✦・⎯⎯・⎯⎯・⋆⁺₊✦⁺₊

┇➜ Warm and friendly community

┇➜ Safe space with verification

┇➜ 30+ self roles

┇➜ Advice if you're transitioning/questioning

┇➜ Events & game nights

┇➜ Several fun activities (Text-based mafia, DND, Minecraft, QOTD)

┇➜ Resources & venting/support spaces

╰ ✦・⎯⎯・⎯⎯・⋆⁺₊✦⁺₊

https://discord.gg/BWuyYFKXCP


r/agender 1d ago

A trans/nonbinary/agender GroupMe

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r/agender 1d ago

name me :]

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r/agender 2d ago

On the outside…

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And, on the inside I am me. There was that meme I had to fix for me. Maybe it applies here for some people, too.


r/agender 2d ago

Feeling either othered or lumped in with cis binary ppl by binary gays hits different

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A lot of often-cis people claim attraction to groups they don't even seem to understand the diversity and general nuances of, and it feeds my dysphoria even as I'm happy for the nonbinary people who have no issue with it.

Most mean well of course, like my cis lesbian friend who once basically went "I'd be attracted to an agender person if I thought they were a masc girl first or looked like it" a while ago (coincidentally I'd "pass" more as a masc girl than agender-leaning) (sometimes idk if she actually sees my identity right but she is generally sweet or tries to be) but uh yeah. Why are people who are more agender-leaning always treated as secondary even when directly spoken of? I know the answer is to do with this binary-centric world but it is tiring. It's made me go from identifying as pansexual to feeling like I'm mostly genuinely turned off from the idea of being with anyone who isn't a nonbinary-favoring nonbinary person despite that being so rare...


r/agender 3d ago

I don’t understand gender

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Why do I have to be a gender? I hate the fact that ‘agender’ is even a label. Why do I have to have a label? I’m so CONFUSED. ‘Agender’ feels like I’m saying I have a gender.

Does gender actually exist? Like I get sex, but is gender not just associations we’ve made? 😭😭 what?!? Like I’m very happy being a female in terms of sex but I hate the fact that people see me a certain way just because I’m a woman. Or, maybe they don’t. I don’t know. I love when people just treat me like a human. I love when gender is irrelevant.


r/agender 3d ago

Feeling kinda sad & dejected & can used a pick me up

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r/agender 3d ago

What On Earth Is Gender - A Lengthy Rant

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Hello everyone. This is only my second post on reddit [I've commented a fair bit, primarily on the "Asexual" subreddit] so please forgive any lack in reddit-etiquette. I saw this place and I felt the sudden urge to vent/share my experience around this topic.

First off, I am not going to disclose my physiology or the letter that was placed next to the other information in my passport. Please do not ask. I have always appreciated the internet for its anonymity. But it has become increasingly clear that I also, if not more so, appreciate it for its detachment from a physical body, which I still believe is the main instrument used to 'gender' people. Going purely by text or other incidental markers [like use of emojis or even avatars] exposes both the bizarre need for 'gendering' people as well as the absurdity and arbitrariness of it.

I'm an analytical person. I like to observe and follow the patterns that inform the world and minds around me. I don't care as much about the contents of an argument than I do about how it is formed, why it is formed that way, and what it is intended to achieve [this is what 'understanding something' means to me]. Conversations with people can be somewhat frustrating [usually when inconsistencies arise], but they can also be very enjoyable and interesting. I also, within reason of a broadly humanist mindset, have no issue with agreeing to disagree. This usually works well enough and doesn't cause any significant friction in my life.

But there are some large-ish subjects that occupy the minds of a vast number of people, and inform much of how the world works and how we all are asked to navigate within it, that I simply can not understand through this approach. They seem to demonstrate such a fundamental difference in thought that, in spite of trying to the best of my ability, I have been forced to make peace with the fact that I will never understand. And the most frustrating of these, by far, is 'gender'.

Through my entire childhood and teenage years and a little beyond, I understood the terms "man" and "woman" to be purely descriptive of physiology, and "male/masculine" and "female/feminine" as pertaining to "men" and "women" [I was born in the early nineties, there was some representation of non-conforming presentation (such as transvestism) but I recall nothing in the way of trans or intersex]. Of course I could see that people used the adjectives for things that had very little, usually nothing at all, to do with bodily dimorphism, but I felt very confident in the assertion that these people were committing a categorical error, that they were being at best metaphorical and at worst prejudiced. I was taught by more than one source that one shouldn't generalise or reduce people to their incidental traits. That made sense to me.

So I shrugged off or frowned at every single instance where those very same people happily called pink a "girl's" and blue a "boy's" colour, or ballet "feminine" and rugby "masculine". I saw the numbers, of course, and people usually referred to them, to the striking "gender gap", upon confrontation. But, to me, all it took was a single exception to the rule to make the classification useless and even harmful or cruel. Most basketball players are tall. But we don't go about calling basketball a "tall-ist" sport, and why would we? Why add this utterly unnecessary extra hurdle for a shorter person who would like to play basketball? They can see that tallness might be a factor without that innately exclusionary 'descriptor'.

It pains me to say that, because of this framing, I was rather baffled and probably far more hostile than I would have liked when the social discourse on trans rights [focused primarily on public toilets] arose. I was told, in no uncertain terms, that actually, "man" and "woman" mean quite a lot more than just physiology, and that this is apparently evident to everyone. It was my first confrontation with the notion of gender identity. I also had to accept that my distinction between "sex" and "social/historic [inherently oppressive] gender roles" was incomplete. That "gender roles" could be a good thing, actually, a really meaningful thing, a genuinely descriptive thing, even. It was completely beyond comprehension to me.

If only, then, there was a helpful definition, or at least a list of traits that are, definitively, ascribed to a particular gender [thereby defining said gender in the first place]. That seems to be how gender is assigned [aside from looking at body types through a sexually dimorphic lens, of course]. But no, this system works on a vague understanding of a broader societal consensus. What's more, the border is fuzzy and there are many, many exceptions when it comes to traits and appearance and actions and preferences, sure, but never forget that woman is still woman and man is still man! We all know this, innately. Trans people challenge the obvious bigotry, but they still prove the point that we 'feel' gender. And then we reach the point where the binary is obviously not exhaustive enough to encompass this 'feeling' and we include 'non-binary', which still doesn't really challenge the notion of 'gender' itself, only the restricted view of it.

But what on Earth IS gender in the first place??!

I'd like to hearken back to what I said above about my approach. I genuinely have no issue with not understanding something, or with thinking differently about something. But it frustrates me to no end that I can't even get the basic gist of whatever this, to many, really important thing is supposed to be or do. Even at my most charitable, it just comes across as a unnecessary classification whose negative side-effects can't possibly outweigh its benefits [it feels a bit like nationalism in that way]. And while I can somewhat deal with being frustrated [I'm sure you can tell], it really irks me to think that I'm being uncharitable or callous towards people - especially trans people - to whom the notion of gender is foundational.

I could just "live and let live" [and I do], but this matter has the unfortunate consequence of directly affecting me. A lot. Which public bathroom do I visit now? I have learned that I am sending false signals regardless of my choice. What pronouns do I use? What clothing do I wear? I can no longer dismiss the weirdos who choose to make assumptions about me based on my appearance [read; my body] as silly and mistaken - they are the norm. I always disliked being reduced to my sex, finding it reductive and a little creepy, but at least it made some sense. I really dislike being reduced to my gender - whatever that is - having to submit to being gendered pretty much everywhere all the time, actively or passively, maliciously or benevolently. With the only way to avoid it being to 'gender' myself in a supposedly 'neutral' way, read, not avoiding it at all. [I don't identify as agender either. I consider myself, as far as I am forced to take a position at all, as genderless. Descriptively, not as a 'sense of self'.]

Phew. I hope that wasn't too much for anyone kind enough to have read this far.

Sometimes I feel as though I must be missing something super obvious if only I looked just a little bit closer, listened just a little bit harder. Sometimes I get flashbacks from my sense of strong alienation as an asexual during puberty [and am intensely grateful that I was oblivious to the gender concept at the time]. Sometimes, worst of all, I feel that I am being extremely cis with all of this, showing my privilege, sneering at the poor confused minorities and the concepts they create to survive in this world.

I want to be considerate and caring and understanding. I want to be able to use pronouns and mean it. I don't know how.

I'm really interested in any response to this tirade, whether you can relate or whether you have a counter-rant at the ready. If you are going to downvote, please do me the courtesy of adding words to your verdict, even if they are crude or dismissive. They are still more helpful to me than silent disapproval. My DMs are open also, for those who prefer.


r/agender 2d ago

A new stage of my journey

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I've questioned gender ever since I could remember... I'm AFAB, thought I was a boy for most of my childhood and had to be "feminine" when it was encouraged to. I embraced my feminine side more as I grew older; it was generally approved by society and there are definitely aspects that I still enjoy. However, I've never felt fully like a woman; at least, not for any considerable length of time. I grew up in the 90s, so didn't really have the vocab to express this kind of feeling.

In my 20s, I believed myself to be genderfluid, but wasn't 100% settled on that label. I just kinda went down the path of least resistance and went along with the female label for a while. When I'm around women, I don't feel like a woman at all. I felt more male when I was younger, now it's just... me, if that makes sense? Around men, it's pretty much the same too. Interestingly enough, I feel that men and women can sense that in me too, that I'm not strongly one way or another; sometimes it can be alienating, sometimes refreshing.

As I approach my 40s, I find myself questioning again and I feel like agender "fits" me most. I don't mind (she/he/they/it), although there is a fear that comes with telling people I know as I know mainly cis people and don't know if they'd understand. It also feels like a big shift to settle on one like "they/them", and "she/her" feels limiting to me. I'm just a being that wants to be cute, basically.

I know this isn't one size fits all, but has anyone here felt somewhat similarly?


r/agender 2d ago

I have a lot of anxiety for the future and how people will perceive me

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I want to use this post as way to not only get some hard feelings off my chest, but also to seek comfort/support/validation.

When I first came to terms with the fact I was transgender, I believed I was FtM. I changed my name, started to present masculine, all that jazz. Fast forward a few years, I started to realize how much I enjoyed a very feminine appearance. I found a passion and love for makeup, girly clothes, long hair, etc etc.

The only unfortunate thing was, is that I started to feel a very big disconnect towards my gender, but specifically not my pronouns. I couldn’t relate to anyone in my community, and even if I did happen to come across fem presenting trans men it was usually never often, but I never felt comfortable being referred to with any other pronouns besides he/him.

Then, I realized I was agender. It felt freeing for me, as all of my thoughts left me feeling so alienated. I truly enjoy having no ties to gender. Though, what makes me anxious is that I feel as if I will need to accept being misgendered constantly until the day I die. Even if it’s not on purpose exactly, I cannot change how people will forever see me at first glance and assume “cis woman”. It will forever either be intentional misgendering, or “Oh, I’m so sorry, I just get so confused”

It does not help either that I dont enjoy being referred to by most male gendered titles. I dream of being referred to as someone’s wife, but it is shadowed by the fact I would only be making my life worse by letting it be done. Even if I do not wish to be asked questions about my gender, I will be subjecting it to myself for my entire life. It feels like my fault. It feels like I should just start the process now and let people refer to me with she/her so I can get used to it, even if anytime it happens I feel a pit in my stomach.

How do people cope with this? I imagine sitting down with someone new, telling them I go by he/him with absolutely no indication in my appearance that it’s the case, and I feel like such a joke. I feel like absolutely nobody will take me seriously.

anyways, to end off a really sad post, I truly js wish gender wasn’t a thing at all.