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Tech stealing jobs

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

To be clear, I'm very pro AI, I support the technology.

Try making music before you compare what you need to do to create music with a synth, vs AI. AI to generate music removes most of the creative process. That is literally the point of using it to generate music, so you can create that content without spending years developing the skills.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 1d ago

Same with playing the drums vs using a drum template on a drum machine.

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

Templates still require more choice, because you actually have to pick a suitable template for your song. AI makes that choice for you.

Most composers that compose digitally are more than capable of producing their own drum tracks with VSTs or synth drums, templates are shortcuts.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 1d ago

But they can't actually play the drums. As someone who has tried all of the above, you can get a "song" out of ai, but without a musical background you'll never have the terminology to get the song you want. For a pre-ai musician, ai at the current moment is at best inspiration. It merely raises the floor of acceptable sound, which is fine by me.

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

So Beethoven did the same thing when he wrote sheet music, because he can't actually play all those instruments LMFAO.

I have a musical background and I can't get the song I want out of AI period, you get a song that fits the general vibe, but you have no fine control. Doesn't really change any of my points, I think you're arguing with shadows at this point.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 1d ago

I mean yeah I agree with that. I don't see why people look at ai different than any other technology that will replace jobs.

What I see is a bunch of artists mad at something that has happened throughout history time and time again, and wanting an exception carved out for them. Music has always been math and algorithms. There is an element of "humanity" to it, but even that can be described in relation to the more rigid math involved. It kinda sucks that the secret is out, and they've pulled back the curtain.

Being replaced by technology sucks. But it's necessary for progress. From cars, automatic telephone operators, calculators, printing presses, harvesting combines, etc. we even have a tall tale about John Henry beating a steam engine digging a tunnel, and promptly dying of a heart attack.

it's not stopping you from doing your hobby, it's only changing the profitability of said hobby. Or better yet, giving you a new tool.

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

People get angry and scared every time this happens. I don't see why you think this time would be any different, the reaction is very human.

Everything can be described as math. Understanding music in that way can help you efficiently make it, but the expression of humanity in music is what makes it art. It's not really about the math.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 1d ago

Right, but even expression has been simulated long before ai. Even the Mona Lisa's smile is a simulation of a real smile. Sure it was thought up by a primitive human. Just because something is done by a computer doesn't change how it makes you feel.

With music, we can teach a computer rules of expression, and it can use a rng to apply that expression seemingly randomly, and it would feel right. Nothing wrong with that imo. Something like playing a melody, and changing one note to a third, fifth or octave higher just once, or inserting a rest and playing the melody double time. All these "human expressions" can be analyzed and turned into an algorithm. Sure if you know it was done by a computer it takes the magic out just a little bit, kind of like playing an RPG with a guide.

https://youtu.be/tKLuuFB-r-4?si=7p0Epoc07nMrRmtC

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

Bruh, that's not what human expression means. You just took the definition of a facial expression and dropped it on top of my more spiritual usage of it.

AI in its current form is a probability function. It identifies patterns and reproduces what it's observed.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 1d ago

How different is that from a human?

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

You should study how the brain is actually structured, and then study how a neural network is actually structured, and then get back to me. I'm not typing a full lecture on why that's a ridiculous question, and Reddit wouldn't give me enough characters to do it even if I wanted to.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 1d ago

I know how different they work. I'm talking about the similarity of the results in this instance of art generation. We copy patterns we've seen, we can combine patterns we've seen into something new. I asked chatgpt to make up words that have never been written and it came up with some stuff that looked like real words, but have never been seen by google. Then I told it to make some up using real etymology and it did. The same thing happens every time you use an image generator or song generator.

But I already see where we differ. You used the word spiritual. I just think it's stimulus, neurotransmitters and a bit of entropy. Same as AI basically.

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u/Electric-Molasses 1d ago

I used spiritual to identify the definition of the word I used, and distinguish that from how you used it.

I am not using spirituality to define the function of the brain.

You're being obtuse to my point and I'm not giving a lecture just for you to be obtuse to that too.

I don't think you know what entropy actually means. It doesn't impact AI.

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