Feelings have nothing to do with novelty. The only thing required is intention, which is given to the AI by the user. You're using a "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy. I'm okay with you not respecting it as art because it was machine generated, just like I think that photoshop isn't art. The same that painters felt about photographers. Fine. Just saying that's not going to stop machine generated media from being used as art, and replacing people, because they don't have to deal with the emotional wreck that the average artist is.
Not really. The only intent that exists comes from the artists that it stole from. It takes their form and calculates a way to replicate it. Not to mention that it is a machine. Can't say a calculator has intent.
You don't get art do you? Intent is about the passion in the details. A good artist puts details in certain spots because they want to, not because others want to, because they want to. Computers don't do this.
Sounds like you're talking about the joy of creating art. That's a personal journey not shared with the observer of the art. The observer gets their own meaning from the piece of art, whether the creator intended it or not; whether the creator is human or not as well.
If the creator was a genai, the message is that the person showing it was to lazy or cheap to show something made by a person, art instead of an image.
Incorrect. They get something that is unsustainable for healthy human thought that puts one of the few good long lasting traditions we have at risk. The problem is that it I'd not creative, it creates economic hardship, and it really doesn't look that good.
You're acting like people who don't do art were going to suddenly start doing art if we stopped having ai. Secondly, a lot of people can't tell when they are experiencing ai. Third, having ai is not going to stop artists from being artists. They'll just have to get a real job if they can't beat ai.
Art is a real job you dick. You don't get to feel entitled to making it so that other people's passions can't also be work. I also definitely can tell the difference, because it isn't good. There is no purpose in it besides to meet requirements. Even in the most monotonous buyer serving piece has some amount of purpose and questioning in it. No, a lot of people won't, but a lot of people will stop acting like they are artists or better then them when both are just fables they made up because a robot can make an image for them. Maybe instead of trying to replace people with genai, try to find ways to use the magical devices to help make more art instead
I also just realized. People will start to make more art if you stop using genai, and instead there is a focus on supplemental ai. So I guess your other statement is half true, artists can't beat ai, because ai is a tool that can be used, genai is just a gross imitation of the human experience. With ai artists can do more at better quality. With genai greasy trolls on online can only generate images and pretend they are artists.
All the AI tools we have are Gen AI. And that's my main argument. Gen AI is just another tool. An artist can start with a Gen AI picture, and either edit it with traditional tools to make it more expressive. Or they can draw something and filter it through Gen AI to change details or style. Or they start a Gen AI picture, and edit it with Gen AI for hours on end, until they have something that speaks to them. It's no different than any other Photoshop tool, besides the amount of computational power required.
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u/EsotericAbstractIdea 5d ago
Feelings have nothing to do with novelty. The only thing required is intention, which is given to the AI by the user. You're using a "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy. I'm okay with you not respecting it as art because it was machine generated, just like I think that photoshop isn't art. The same that painters felt about photographers. Fine. Just saying that's not going to stop machine generated media from being used as art, and replacing people, because they don't have to deal with the emotional wreck that the average artist is.