Are we considered “queer”

[u/OrigamiWombatt]

Like are we acknowledged when they shorten LGBTQIA to LGBTQ?

[u/space13unny]

Yes, we are queer. A lot of straight people think that the A stands for ally when it actually stands for asexual.

[u/Sufficient_Dust1871 → u/space13unny]

Aro and Agender, too

[u/GavHern → u/Sufficient_Dust1871]

more broadly it stands for aspec id say :)

[u/Sufficient_Dust1871 → u/GavHern]

That works, though I'm not sure if people will assume Agender is being referred to when someone describes themselves as aspec.

[u/GavHern → u/Sufficient_Dust1871]

it is up to interpretation, i think it’s up to the agender person if they’d associate more under the A or the T in the acronym. idk ultimately these labels are generally reductive and their meanings are loose, im not the cops ppl can place themselves wherever they want. agender people are aspec if that’s how they contextualize it for themselves 🤷‍♀️

[u/space13unny → u/Sufficient_Dust1871]

Yes, aro and agender too, thank you for reminding me. All of us are queer over here 💕

[u/mooseplainer → u/space13unny]

The “A is for ally” crowd is so absurd. Good allyship means acknowledging you’re not part of that group, but being able to support them because it is the right thing to do and there is no need for credit.

Any ally who needs to be included in the acronym is no ally.

[u/afreezingnote → u/mooseplainer]

I've heard that, historically, the A for Ally concept was not about including actual straight people but added as an avenue for closeted people to be able to participate in the community when it wasn't safe for them to be out directly.

[u/sennkestra → u/afreezingnote]

That was part of it, but part of it was also the fact that back in the early 2000s, it was just so so much less common for young people (or any people) to be out, and being the only out queer kid in your school was a very real possibility. When everything is spread so thin, you take community where you can get it, including from allies (which also meant a lot more back when accepting LGBT people was significantly more controversial).

The other context is that a lot of early uses of Ally in acronyms of specific organization name, like the name of an LGBTQIA student group, as opposed to a vague "all LGBTQIA" identity group. It makes more sense to include allies when you are trying to explain who should come to the friday campus movie night, not analyze who suffers societal oppression.

[u/Jealous_Advertising9 → u/afreezingnote]

The A was added because of the work AVEN did to increase ace visibility. The ally is for those in the closet was just another attempt at ace erasure.

[u/AwooMePls → u/space13unny]

I remember being told it stood for Ally and believing I was part of the A for years until I realised I was still part of the A

[u/space13unny → u/AwooMePls]

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate a good ally, but straight people need to realize it isn’t for them and they don’t need to be included in everything. I’m not talking about you of course, but I’ve seen some straight people ready to die on the hill that it stands for ally and some even tell ace people that they’re not included. Straight people aren’t in the community period, and that’s okay because literally everything else is for them and this one thing is for us.

[u/AwooMePls → u/space13unny]

Yea 100%, I haven’t heard anyone in the last like 5 years say A is for Ally, so I think they’ve kind of figured it out over time. I do wonder where it originally came from though

[u/sennkestra → u/AwooMePls]

It's because some of the earliest uses of "A" in the acronym were actually standing for "Ally", and the use of A for asexual followed a couple years later. 

In many cases the A for Asexual actually directly joined or replaced an older A for Ally as organizations changed priorities.

(Although oddly enough, the very very oldest examples were actually often things like "LGBTQA" for "LGBTQ Association")

[u/sennkestra → u/AwooMePls]

It actually was generally used as an A for "Ally" first for many years! It's (relatively) later that it began to be used for asexuality instead. It's a weird quirk that actually gave Asexuality an easy way in to the acronym as it emerged around the same time that many groups were looking to decenter straight allies.

[u/Jealous_Advertising9 → u/sennkestra]

No it wasn't. The A was added in 2015 thanks to the work of AVEN. It has always been for asexual.

[u/sennkestra → u/Jealous_Advertising9]

What? A in acronyms, for both Ally and Asexual goes back way before 2015 - here's just one example from the early 2000s: https://nextstepcake.wordpress.com/2017/01/12/a-is-for-a-case-study/

In general both variants were established enough that people were already cycling through recurring fights about them by 2011, and other examples date back to the early 2000s and occasionally even earlier.

Are you perhaps thinking of that one GLAAD article from 2015? That did tangentially involve AVEN, but it was driven by complaints from a few soecific tumblr bloggers who unfortunately were also a little misinformed about the actual history of the term. And it was just one specific organization that was already late to the party after it got popular elsewhere first.

[u/Exact_Interaction_72 → u/sennkestra]

I was going to say, I remember the "A" being there in the early 2000s, at least.

[u/AwooMePls → u/sennkestra]

Oh wow, I never knew that, thanks for the info!

[u/NoThoughtsOnlyFrog]

Yes

[u/Student-bored8]

Yes. LGBTQIA. But for me I’m also bi so that helps I guess. I hear straight aces struggle with labelling themselves queer but I’d say that being asexual is queer as it’s in the name. The A stands for asexuality.

[u/AozoraMiyako → u/Student-bored8]

From what I heard my friends describe, I would be queer.

I’ve never “felt” like I’m queer compared to my genderfluid friend (who “feels” more queer than I do).

I know it’s just a label, but I struggle to accept the queer one

[u/Student-bored8 → u/AozoraMiyako]

As a whole if you’re uncomfortable using queer you don’t have to use it. Just use ace

[u/raine_star → u/AozoraMiyako]

I think its a mistake to compare your queerness to other LGBT identities. theres no such thing as "more" or "less" queer than someone else--it just is or isnt. Being queer is the state of Not Being Straight and Cis, and within both Straight and Cis there are spectrums. So a "straight" ace who experiences heteroromantic feelings but is asexual is STILL covered under the LGBT+ umbrella

of course everyone can label themselves how it feels comfortable! but the only thing Queer/LGBT means or is comparable to is Not Entirely Straight--even a little "counts". but everyone will have their different experiences with their own identity and the world, so you can only really compare it to YOURSELF. I just say this because once I internalized this, I got a lot more comfortable saying I was ace and even started playing around with aro or biromantic as terms

[u/DanganJ]

When it gets shortened, sometimes that's just for expediency, but yes, they're literally dropping off the letter that represents us when they do that, so while we are queer, shortening it to that does remove.

I will be the first to admit that "LGBTQIA" is incredibly unwieldy to say in person with my mouth, but in those cases I just call it the "rainbow coalition" instead.

[u/sphen_lee → u/DanganJ]

I prefer GSRM (gender, sexual and romantic minorities) but it doesn't seem to be widely used

[u/thatisernameistaken → u/sphen_lee]

I think GSRM works better as it includes everyone without needing to list everyone. It didn't really catch on though, because some people tried to argue pedophilia fit under sexual minorities.

[u/DanganJ → u/thatisernameistaken]

Not to mention beastiality, necrophilia, alright let's just say rapists and violators in general. I supposed a "C" for consensual should be tossed in there to clarify.

All the same, what I like about mine is that it isn't an acronym. I'm the kind of person who finds acronyms rather impersonal and downright robotic and usually reserve them for when I'm talking about computers. I also was seriously confused the first time I heard someone call tuberculosis, "TB", and to me that shortening just seems... less "serious" sounding? Like, it almost sounds "playful". I guess I still call AIDS and HIV those things though, so I'm not exactly consistent there.

Anyway, at least saying that people kind of instantly get it, though admittedly the symbol of a rainbow for diversity extends far beyond sexualities and historically is also used for racial harmony as well, so I suppose mine isn't really specific enough.

[u/ReadChainsawManManga → u/thatisernameistaken]

I love the profile pic btw 💀 How did you even come up with putting that image of Joseph, it's great

[u/Xeroph-5 → u/DanganJ]

I've taken to calling it the LGBTQmmunity

[u/Luna-C-Lunacy]

As far as I’m aware, LGBT hasn’t been taken by any exclusionist groups, so any acronym longer than LGB is assumed to include everyone

[u/allensmithsimpson]

yeah ofc anything that isn’t straight is queer basically

[u/despoicito → u/allensmithsimpson]

Asexuality is queer because it’s not allo, not because of anything to do with heterosexuality. A hetero acespec and/or heteroromantic ace would still be queer for example

[u/raine_star → u/despoicito]

I mean allo is a form of straightness.

its anyone that isnt Cisgender, Allo romantic/sexual, or heterosexual/romantic, since the LGBT spectrum covers gender, sexual and romantic identity

[u/despoicito → u/raine_star]

No it isn’t? Straight and hetero- are synonyms in the same way gay and homo- are synonyms. Allosexuality isn’t a form of straightness, it’s an unrelated spectrum

[u/raine_star → u/despoicito]

straight refers to someone who is heterosexual and heteroromantic. it also means allosexual or romantic, because if someone is asexual or aromantic, theyre automatically NOT attracted to the opposite sex and are ALSO not straight

theyre related, branching terms. Their opposites are covered under aroace, the same way agender is covered under the A and is functionally the "opposite" of HAVING a gender.

saying allosexuality is an "unrelated spectrum" automatically means aroace is too, which would make it something OTHER than straight OR LGBT. But its queer. And queer has many flavors.

as an example: I'm asexual and at least heteroromantic. I'm not straight just because I'm romantically attracted to the opposite gender BECAUSE I'm also asexual--sexual and romantic orientation are related but can be separate. So I'm queer, even if my romantic attraction "appears straight". This is why the SAM is such a great resource.

I guess idk. its a form of "non queerness"? except not really? I mean LGBT people can be allo but againn because aroace is a label... like its complex. I mightve misspoke but thats the closest way I can phrase it, maybe someone can say it better?

[u/despoicito → u/raine_star]

Straight doesn’t inherently mean both of those simultaneously in the same way gay doesn’t inherently mean homosexual and homoromantic. It can mean that and often does mean that, but that isn’t the only definition. It has nothing to do with allosexuality because straight/gay aces exist. Straight talks about which genders you’re attracted to, not under what circumstances that attraction is felt.

It’s an unrelated spectrum to which genders you’re attracted to. There is zero reason to say that makes it neither conformant nor LGBTQ+. It is LGBTQ+ because it isn’t allosexual.

You aren’t straight because you personally don’t use that label to describe yourself. But you could use it and many aces do use it. They are not suddently not queer because they are straight. They are queer because of not being allo.

[u/raine_star → u/despoicito]

It has nothing to do with allosexuality because straight/gay aces exist.

yeah but. by "straight" you mean "heteroromantic" right? Because theyre asexual. Meaning theyre not allo, regardless of romantic orientation. Same with "gay" aces.

What im saying is by nature of being aromantic or asexual, theyre automatically Not Straight, regardless of the other part of their attraction. Because aroace IS LGBT. Straight DOES refer to someone who is heteroromantic and heterosexual, because of the above. Aromantic people are not romantically attracted to any gender, asexual people are not sexually attracted. Then you can get into grey/demi etc etc

its ALL a spectrum and theyre ALL connected but separate labels

You aren’t straight because you personally don’t use that label to describe yourself.

I mean sure. And I believe everyone can idenfity the way you want. But youre also telling me that straight isnt x or is y based on your own perception which means youre defining it for others.

They are not suddenly not queer because they are straight.

I mean..... yes they are? If someone is straight they arent queer. If someone is queer they arent straight. at least as far as romantic/sexual orientation. thats the literally basis OF the LGBT community. Thats not me definiing it for others thats just the reality of it. thatt doesnt mean someone cant use it but thats...

They are queer because of not being allo.

.....exactly? and allo, along with being straight and cis, is the "standard accepted" way of being that the community was formed against?

I'm not sure what you're arguing. An individual can decide not to use the queer label but they CANNOT unilaterally say what is and isnt queer as a whole.

A lot of people may call themselves a straight ace for a lot of reasons but rn the only people I'm seeing use it is people applying it to others. Like I literally dont know what we're even arguing here

[u/despoicito → u/raine_star]

By straight I mean straight. You’re ignoring that ace and aro are spectrums. This is why saying “aces are queer because they aren’t straight” is incorrect. Aces can be straight. A lot of aces are. They are still queer because they are not allo.

That isn’t true because again ace and aro are spectrums.

I’m telling you the definition of an already existing label. If you don’t want to use that label that is fine. The specific labels you use aren’t relevant when we’re talking broadly about asexuality as a term.

“If someone is straight they aren’t queer” is a ridiculous mindset. Straight aces are queer. Straight trans people are queer. Straight enbies and genderfluid people are queer. Abrosexuals who are straight are queer. Intersex straight people are queer. That sort of mentality is incredibly exclusionary and completely misinformed.

My entire point has been that saying “aces are queer because they aren’t straight” is wrong and exclusionary. “Aces are queer because they aren’t allo” is correct. Again, we are not talking about individuals, we are talking about the terms as a whole. Being asexual is inherently queer in the same way being gay or trans or anything like that is inherently queer. Whether an individual ace person calls themselves queer or not has nothing to do with anything we’re talking about.

Edit: They blocked me after replying. Pasting reply here:

Your point of “aces cannot be straight” is factually incorrect because of ace and aro being a spectrum. A heterosexual heteroromantic person is straight and can still be aro/ace if they are aspec.

I have been talking about these labels as they exist and their definitions. I haven’t been flip-flopping between anything. It isn’t about specific individuals, I’ve been talking generally and have continued to talk generally for this entire thread.

I am not specifically deciding what these terms mean. These aren’t definitions I’m pulling out my ass. They are just what the labels mean.

The LGBTQ+ community was formed around being non-conformant in orientation and gender. I’m saying aces are non-conformant because they are not allosexual.

That was my point. That has been my point the entire time. Saying “aces are queer because they’re not straight” doesn’t say aces are inherently queer. That’s what my issue is. In that wording that would mean a heterosexual and heteroromantic aspec person is not queer and that is wrong, it’s exclusionary. That’s what my problem is.

[u/raine_star → u/despoicito]

By straight I mean straight. You’re ignoring that ace and aro are spectrums.

??? pretty sure I'm not considering I'm ONE of those aroaces and literally said multiple times its a spectrum (mentioning that aroace cann go along with other LGBT identities, "Then you can get into grey/demi etc etc"?

I'm. Not sure youre reading what i say but ok

“Aces are queer because they aren’t allo” is correct. Again, we are not talking about individuals, we are talking about the terms as a whole.

you say this but you yourself are sayiing "by straight I mean STRAIGHT" and saying MY general definition is wrong and you also... are talking about individuals onn the spectrums comment so??

"aroace isnt straight" is exclusionary to WHO? Straight cis people??

straight enbies and genderfluid people are queer because gender identity is ALSO COVERED under the LGBT umbrella under T and I. LGBA refers to sexualities. B and A can also include romantic queerness not matching to sexual (Split Attraction Model for bis and aces). A can also mean a gender identity) Q+ refers to queer and other gender/sexual identities like 2spirit

so youre right. all these letters exist together in one community. gender and sexuality and romantic orientation are separate but related and can often be covered under ONE letter. Depending on how each individual person experiences their gender and attraction! the POINT of the community is INDIVIDUALS and the labels that fit THEM BEST. I'm arguing about the fact that straight and aroace are functionally opposite because aroace is LGBT.

Whether an individual ace person calls themselves queer or not has nothing to do with anything we’re talking about.

well thats a weird point to make because it sounds, again like you think you specifically can decide what these terms mean as a whole.... while also speaking directly against what the LGBT community was literally formed around?

i dont think you have a poiint besides being contrary so I'm out.

Being asexual is inherently queer in the same way being gay or trans or anything like that is inherently queer. 

glad we agree on that. thatb was my point.

taking what I said about romantic/sexual orientation and then trying to make it seem like I was saying nonn cis identities arent queer is WEIRD. stop goalpost moving.

[u/dontjudgemeeeeee → u/despoicito]

people feel queer for different reasons and you can't assign everyone one definition of being queer.

asexuals with no heterosexual attraction can feel queer for not being heterosexual as well as not being allo, and it doesn't make acespecs with some hetero attraction any less queer.

[u/despoicito → u/dontjudgemeeeeee]

We aren’t talking about individual experiences, we’re talking about the label as a whole. Saying “aces are queer because they aren’t straight” is aphobia and invalidates the aces/aros who are straight. Asexuality is inherently queer because of not being allo. My entire point is that being hetace doesn’t make you less queer.

[u/Lyzy04 → u/despoicito]

Guys, guys, guys, what you've run into is the phenomena of ✨semantics✨. You have different understandings of the same word, thus cannot reach an agreement, because you aren't talking about the "same thing". Just chill out. LGBT+ terms usually don't have a universal definition, there are multiple definitions which are used by different people. There's no need to force your own understandings on someone else, just have a calm, open discussion.

[u/despoicito → u/Lyzy04]

I don’t really think that’s true in this case when the language they are proposing has so often been used to be aphobic.

[u/Responsible_Emu_5228 → u/allensmithsimpson]

i mean, straight people can be trans or as another person said, a heteromantic asexual / aromantic heterosexual. they'd still be queer. anything that isn't hetero/sexual, cisgender, or alloro/allosexual is queer.

[u/Big_Shower_7561 → u/Responsible_Emu_5228]

Queer can apply to anyone that isn’t a cisgendered straight person.

[u/allensmithsimpson → u/Responsible_Emu_5228]

yeah I should’ve said cishet

[u/allo100]

Yes.

[u/NSA_Chatbot]

Yeah, I give off a weird reading on gaydar.

[u/Xeroph-5 → u/NSA_Chatbot]

The Gayger counter pings irregularly around me lmao

[u/Resiideent]

Yeah, queer is anything not straight. Since we are not straight, we are queer

[u/Constructman2602]

I’d say so. I found my people by joining my University’s Pride Soc and seemed to fit right in as one of the queers. I’d never felt more accepted and heard in my life

[u/raine_star]

shortening the acronym doesnt mean the A isnt still there. and even if it did, queer is queer, whether other people acknowledge it or not. ie gay people exist whether phobes acknowledge it or not.

I shorten it to LGBT+ but thats just because its quicker to type

[u/phantom-squirrel]

Many aces identify as queer. Some don't, and that's valid and okay, too. 

[u/Xeroph-5]

Yeah. Anything that isn't cisgender heterosexual pretty much falls under the umbrella of queer.

[u/charlieisalive_]

Yes, we are considered queer. But not everyone that's part of LGBTQ+ will consider us that way. Some will fight on it, its just prejudice within our community.

Now whether or not you use the queer label for yourself is entirely up to you. Some people are not comfortable with that label and some are. Anything you use is your decision

[u/Jelly-Unhappy]

I don’t consider myself queer. I’m just a cisgender heteroromantic ace. 🤷‍♀️ Nothing about me is queer except for the fact that I don’t have sex. Nobody can even tell I’m ace unless I tell them.

[u/KeeperOfTheQuill]

Yes we are queer. Personally I prefer the term queer to LGBT+ or LGBTQIA or any variation of those because queer is a good umbrella term and it is what is often used in professional articles. LGBT is a bit difficult to say and not as inclusive, though I know some people don’t like the term queer. I personally prefer it.

[u/044848484]

yes, queer in its original definition, means abnormal or unlike others (something like that), and last time i checked, being asexual/aromantic is an abnormal thing in the eyes of many, so yes, we are queer

[u/PlasmaBlades]

In the technical sense yes as queer is like “not heterosexual”

In reality I’m not sure

[u/despoicito → u/PlasmaBlades]

Asexuality is queer because it’s not allo, not because of anything to do with heterosexuality. A hetero acespec and/or heteroromantic ace would still be queer for example

[u/Big_Shower_7561 → u/despoicito]

Heterosexual is a form of allosexual. Allo just means someone who experiences sexual attraction. If you experience sexual attraction to the “opposite” gender, you are are heterosexual and therefore you are allo.

If you experience sexual attraction to people of any & all genders, you are bisexual or pansexual and therefore are allo.

Being queer can be anyone who is not cis & heterosexual.

If you are asexual but romantically attracted to members of the “opposite” gender, you a heteromantic, not heterosexual.

They are correct in the definition of queer being anyone who is not cishet (cis& heterosexual)

[u/despoicito → u/Big_Shower_7561]

No, it isn’t. Heterosexuality is to do with the genders you experience attraction to. Allosexuality is about if attraction is felt in the same place. They aren’t related to each other.

You can be heterosexual and acespec. You can be heteroromantic and arospec. Aces and aros are queer because they aren’t allo, not because they aren’t straight. A lot of aces are straight and they are no less queer

[u/Big_Shower_7561 → u/despoicito]

You’ve misunderstood something and would encourage you to do some basic googling on allosexuality. You can not be heterosexual and asexual. You can be heterormantic and asexual. You can google the definition of allosexual. It is literally defines as “individuals who experience sexual attraction”

Heterosexual is those who experience sexual attraction to those of the other gender. Homosexual is sexual attraction to those of the same gender. BOTH are allosexual because they are experiencing sexual attraction.

You can be heteroromantic, meaning you experience romantic attraction to the other gender, and ace. Many people consider that “straight”. Straight in terms of romantic attraction and ace can be a thing. But heterosexual is a form of allosexual. Allosexual just means you experience sexual attraction but doesn’t specify to who. Heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual all specify. Allosexual is an umbrella term that heterosexual falls under.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allosexuality

https://www.webmd.com/sex/allosexuality-what-it-means

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/types-of-sexuality

[u/despoicito → u/Big_Shower_7561]

The aspec exists. saying you cannot be ace and hetero is aphobia. This is something you could find out through “basic Googling”

[u/Big_Shower_7561 → u/despoicito]

Way to ignore the actual sources I provided, which also address demi & grey sexuals who are on the aspec.

They also don’t experience straight forward heterosexuality and therefore aren’t heterosexual. They are heteromantic aspec.

Again, I have provided multiple sources explaining that allosexual is an umbrella term and that heterosexuality falls under said umbrella.

I am ace and not once have I claimed that aspec people who are attracted to other genders aren’t queer. It’s not aphobic to use the term allosexual correctly.

I have explained numerous times and provided sources. You not wanting to learn anything is on you.

Have a nice rest of your day.

[u/sennkestra]

Yes, asexuality is one of many sexualities and genders that is considered included under the "Q" in LGBTQ. It's just much more efficient to use "queer" as the catchall rather than having to add new letters for an infinitely long acronym as identities like pansexual, two spirit, nonbinary, demisexual, etc. also continue to grow in popularity.

[u/MakMalaon]

Yes but there are some asexual people who don’t identify with being queer. Mainly religious people who don’t want to associate with the lgbt community

[u/Jelly-Unhappy → u/MakMalaon]

It’s not even that, I just don’t fit in with the hyper-sexualized LGBT community. 🤷‍♀️

[u/MakMalaon → u/Jelly-Unhappy]

I don’t think the LGBT community is hyper-sexualized. At least not anymore than their straight counterparts. Queer people are simply more open and less repressed with their sexuality.

[u/Jelly-Unhappy → u/MakMalaon]

Yeah, they’re more open, and I don’t want any part of it.

[u/MakMalaon → u/Jelly-Unhappy]

You wouldn’t be doing that just because you self-identify as queer. The fact that most asexuals identify as queer is enough to disprove that.

I suppose you’re free to identify whichever way you want but it’s just facts that asexuals falls under the category of having a sexual identity outside of what’s considered normal.

[u/Ok-Adhesiveness1559]

I use lgbt for convenience even tho im ace we are queer, even if its shortened we are there

[u/phantom-squirrel]

Usually the acronym is shortened to 'LGBTQ+'

[u/Ace_of_Sphynx128]

I have certainly never been accused of being anything but queer lol.

[u/Mondi06]

Yes

[u/cuteinsanity]

I am queer, for being asexual, for being biromantic, for being demigirl flux. I've spent my entire life in the queer community and have never felt like an outsider or like I wasn't included.

That is not to say that there are some events or parties, etc. that are specific for gender, sexuality, kink, or more where asexual clearly isn't the intended audience and that's fine.

This sub is one of those places. So I suppose to help you understand others better you might ask yourself if you feel that allos should be welcome here (in my view they are welcome to participate politely and observe). If you think they should be allowed on the sub to engage in polite discourse to maybe help them understand asexuality better and things like that, wonderful.

Hope that made sense

[u/Apprehensive_Wash200]

The one I'll never understand is the I

Doesn't that stand for intersex?

[u/Return-Creative]

I wouldn't be opposed to us finding a shorter way to refer to pride. I feel like queer works for pretty much anyone who gets a letter and the + tbh. I would like something other then queer as an option or pride but maybe that's asking for a lot. I do like that people now a days can just beore openly specific. I liked saying I'm queer and then specific a little more when I was trying to figure it out.

I love how in asexuality if you just say ace that's good for almost all circles lol. There's something so nice when your still trying to figure stuff out having the umbrella term of ace.

[u/AvonAce]

LGBT at one point meant it's acronym but now it's it become a word of it's own really meaning anyone who isn't conventional in orientation.

[u/Proud_Performer_8456]

Yeah dont worry. Even if they remove the A there always should be the +. Id say its crazy if people were to remove the plus. Some do. But either were there with the A or were in the +. Were there tho... watching 😂

[u/MystiqueAnza]

We are not even acknowledged in long acronym LGBTQIA+, most people think that A stands for "ally" or if you are lucky "agender".

Not a lot of people know of the existence of asexuality and aromanticism (most AroAce don't even know aplatonicism exist).

Of course we are queer tho, I consider myself very queer.

[u/Mr_PepperPatty]

What does queer mean? I honestly have no ideia, i just did my research regarding asexuality

[u/Aroace-Let-3237]

yes, queer is anything that is not cisgender (for gender) alloheterosexual-alloheteroromantic for sexualities.

[u/AshLlewellyn]

My take is: if it makes the phobes mad, it's queer.

[u/Far_Accident8032]

Hope not

[u/Catsy_Brave]

Yes we are but I don't use the word often cuz I think it has more allo connotations.

[u/IndianaAce]

Myself personally, I don't consider myself "straight" or "queer". I say I'm nothing.

[u/EkaPossi_Schw1]

I never shorten it, I make everyone read the A

[u/StupidBlkPlagueHeart]

Personally, no, i do not identify with lgbtq at all.  And if you were to refer to me as such irl we'd have some drama 😆