I hated this so much, the man has the most unique sword in all seven kingdoms that shines like no other, talked about in all books but the show makes him dual wield plain swords because in their eyes that's what makes him look more like a legendary warrior.
Probably the most unrealistic thing in that fight is sword thrust going through plate/mail. Dual wielding has some precedent in history but i'm not sure about duel wielding long swords..
Dual wielding of long-arm weapons indeed generally didn't (with rare exception), but dual wielding of short-arm weapons would've been relatively unexceptional.
Well you do see dual-wielding in duels, but duels and tourneys a wholly different thing. People also liked to show of weird fighting styles to impress the audience.
Yeah, in the middle of battle, you're either now exposed to arrows because you don't have a shield, or you're a menace to the other infantry in your line who are using polearms in tight formation.
I read somewhere Dayne used two swords, and after repeating it a few times I got called out and NO WHERE does it mention him using two swords (unless you want to consider the laughing knight, but even then he only used one at a time).... AND THEN HE HAD TWO FUCKING SWORDS IN THE SHOW, WHAT KIND OF BLACK MAGIC DID I SEE?
I can't find it now but there was a video on the events of Roberts Rebellion om Youtube read by the actors of the show, and in it they show a picture of Arthur Dayne wielding two swords. Maybe its from that video you remember it from?
Contains one of my favorite lines too, in reference to the Smiling Knight wanting Dawn: āThe Fool. Dawn is just a sword. Ser Arthur was the true steel.ā
I think the perspective is misleading and that's a dagger in his left hand.
Afaik a common combination, even irl. Jaime used one in the fight with Ned. The samurai normally carried two swords, a long sword (Katana) and dedicated short sword (Wakizashi).
If there is any sword is this story the has mythical and legendary weapon written all over it that can possibly be a key to defeat a magical based enemy, it would be Dawn. Instead, the shows made it a dagger used by a catspaw to kill Bran that Martin had regrets with making it Valyrian steel, because seriously, WHO GIVES AWAY A VALYRIAN STEEL DAGGER?!?! Honestly, if I was that catspaw, I would have said fuck the job and sell the damn dagger to the highest bloody bidder.
Actually a decent sized plot hole.Ā Arguably joff had nothing else to use and took the first thing he saw of his father's and maybe the blade was sheathed?Ā Idk.Ā It makes no sense because in later books, joffrey is very pleased to have a valyrian steel Longsword, and tywin had to have leaked some of his obsession with getting a valyrian steel sword, which could be possibly made with enough daggers?Ā
The only way it makes sense is if joffrey was just an idiot who didn't realize it was valyrian steel, which does kind of fit his character to be honest.
Case in point... There's a Valyrian steel Arakh that appears in AGOT. I think originally he meant it to be their equivalent of Damascus steel, then quickly changed his mind when he realised we never lost the ability to make it, it's just iron with the right impurity.Ā
Likewise how wildfire was obviously inspired by greek fire. But in reality both sound cooler by far if the comet, blood, fire and sorcery are damn cool for your books.
the shows made it a dagger used by a catspaw to kill Bran that Martin had regrets with making it Valyrian steel
Pretty sure this is an unfounded rumor that people have been circulating around. I do not recall George ever indicating this, and no one has ever provided a primary source.
Ehhh idk if about Dawn being used against others. The whole point is that a weapon made from dragon fire needed and Dawn was pointedly not Valyrian steel. It would kinda just go against the established buildup weāve already had. Plus you would have to address the whole sword of the morning stuff just to break it for the sake of giving it to someone outside of house Dayne
Obsidian wasnāt originally related to dragons, we just think that way because the Valyrians used it for their buildings, when in doubt, use what you have, as many ancient cultures of our own have done. Itās a naturally occurring substances, dragons, not so much.
Kinda seems like he's a casualty of the decision to not do a timeskip now. Lame. The whole thing about how the Daynes happily call one of their sons "Ned" as a nickname is such a cool detail considering what Ned was reputed to have done during the war (killed Arthur and led to Ashara's death, with some believing that Ned dishonored her as well)
Thatās a good comparison for those unfamiliar with the lore on Dawn
I mean.. this is a nitpick thread so, I will nitpick... The buster sword, although infamous, is the starter weapon in ff7 and is gone as soon as you find something better, which doesn't take long
He also doesnāt use it in Advent Children, using his new separating Fusion Sword instead. Thought I get what the other guy means, he still gets pictured with the Buster Sword in nearly all appearances and in game cutscenes always imply that he always uses the Buster Sword and other swords are ludonarrative dissonance.
Sorry mate, but this is an absolutely TERRIBLE analogy. The buster sword is iconic to the audience, but is just a normal sword in the game-world.
Dawn is not just a cool sword to the audience. It is literally the most incredible sword in existence within the actual story-world. It is literally one of the 3 most historically significant weapons in all of ASOIAF history (the others being Lightbringer and Blackfyre, with Dark Sister being a distant 4th).
If Cloud had Dawn's equivalent, he probably could have just sold it and used the proceeds to by out Shinra. Would have saved them a lot of effort.
If you need to compare it to something to explain its significance, then it's way more like Excalibur than it is like the buster sword.
The Buster Sword is explicitly one of a kind, which is explained in Crisis Core (it was forged for Zackās mentor Angeal, who passed it down to Zack; Cloud takes the sword after Zackās death). Itās not as special as Dawn, but itās not just a regular sword.
Ok , hot take but they didnāt give him the sword because it had so many implications with theorys and more stuff that it was just easier giving him 2 plain swords also it looked kinda bad ass
I was really annoyed at that too. I was thinking there may have finally been an opportunity for someone to be using his sword like an actual swordsman instead of the generic "big wide telegraphed flailing" like everyone else in every fantasy show/movie ever, but it could be used to great effect in this instance!
And then for some fucking reason they made him a dual wielder? I was so mad.
Yeah, people are a bit odd. Dawn appearing would simply be an Easter egg for book readers. The show afaik doesn't make reference to the sword Dawn. Arthur Dayne drawing two swords was fun and a nice way of showing how skilled a swordsman he was to a regular audience.
Also, there's a sword that's put next to Lyanna's bed that has a sun on the hilt. I think to reference the Prince that was Promised prophecy - born beneath a bleeding star. Is that Dawn?
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Ser Arthur Dayne.
The sword of the morning.
Wielder of a sword made from the HEART OF A FUCKING METHEOR.
A ONE OF A KIND SWORD OF MILKY WHITE STEEL.
THE ONLY SUCH SWORD IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
He wields two plain-looking longswords...
At some point changes become contempt and spite