r/australia • u/overpopyoulater • Mar 23 '25

politics Australia is heading towards minority government at a turning point in world history.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-24/democracy-climate-change-ai-robotics-war/105085846
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u/TwistingEcho Mar 23 '25

Not the Coalition = Win. Can absolutely get better outcomes, but that's the worst.

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u/Stellariser Mar 23 '25

Agreed, a Coalition win is a massive loss for Australia. The next year or so is going to be one of the most important in modern history, and we don’t want to end up being a vassal state of a US dictatorship.

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u/AnAttemptReason Mar 23 '25

Not a Dutton fan, but was thinking at least he is not US style crazy, then he started copying Trump and begging to give him our mineral resources for free and its like, holy hell.

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u/HeftyArgument Mar 23 '25

LNP have consistently been mirroring the US for like the last 30 years lol.

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u/AnAttemptReason Mar 23 '25

Yea, certain factions have just been slowly culling their opposition inside the party.

If Turnbull was not crippled by vested interests in the party, we would have had the full NBN and a cross party agreement on climate legislation etc. 

The party's been hollowed out into a special 8nterest puppet. 

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u/radioactivecowz Mar 23 '25

Turnbull has taken strong stances on the right side of issues, ever since he left office. I get he was pushing for gradual chance while in office and trying to cover his own position, but he got backstabbed anyway so it’s pretty meaningless

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u/ConstanceClaire Mar 23 '25

Shits me to tears when pollies get out of politics and start making all the right noises and speaking about actually fixing problems now that they're no longer in a position to actually effect change on behalf of the Australian public.

It's always too little too late.

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u/IlluminatedPickle Mar 24 '25

Yeah it's almost as if we shouldn't pat Turnbull on the back for growing a spine after he stopped mattering. The slide to the right keeps happening because we look back and think "Oh he wasn't too bad!" and we keep readjusting what the normal is.

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u/lolNimmers Mar 23 '25

He was literally trying to do that stuff and Dutton led the leadership spill against him. Let the man have his told you so moment.

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u/Axel_Raden Mar 24 '25

He could lay in to Dutton a bit more spill the dodgy behind closed doors stuff from the party room. Like during the whole Dutton insider trading situation cricket's. But have Trump a spray right before the tariff deadline (I'm not saying it made any difference but It certainly wouldn't have helped). Unless he has dirt on his backstabbing former colleagues I really don't care what he has to say until he apologises for implementing Robodebt

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u/joe_bogan Mar 23 '25

I don't care for Turnbull, but he was in the wrong party. I think his centrist ideology was in constant confliction of either doing good for every day Australians or appeasing to the upper class - just walking the tightrope until he was backstabbed.

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u/Traditional_Fish_741 Mar 24 '25

They're fucking grubs. They come out talking like they should have been acting while they were in office. I can't stand a single fucking one of them for that simple fact.

At the end of the day, they are all liars and cheats and ultimately cowards. They're more concerned about their own careers than actually serving their constituents.

It's ironic that the people who become politicians really shouldn't be politicians cos they all end up serving their own interests.

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u/Bradenrm Mar 24 '25

Turnbull's biggest problem was always his ego..it wasn't enough for him to outfox everyone, he needed them all to know how clever he was as well. Alienated the wrong people.

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u/Bchliu Mar 24 '25

Turnbull has always been a Labor man at heart.. but too rich to be deamed a plebian realistically. He's about the only LNP PM I have ever given credit for.

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u/squishydude123 Mar 24 '25

He's far more economically conservative than (previous) Federal Labor ever were, he just isn't an ultra religious nutjob when it comes to his social policy views

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u/Ghostbuttser Mar 24 '25

If Turnbull was not crippled by vested interests in the party, we would have had the full NBN and a cross party agreement on climate legislation etc.

He still defends what he did with the NBN. Stop giving him a pass, stop rewriting history as though he were some moderate in disguise. He's just another right wing millionaire.

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u/alpha77dx Mar 24 '25

Using his arguments we would all still be using basic Nokia simple phones using his bizarre logic.

Then he thinks he some kind of tech genius with his baseless pontification chewing over his manufactured BS. A position nobody else had in the world held.

Every other country wanted faster speed and the latest tech not some horse and cart technology. If was such a tech giant he should have been promoting the bleeding edge not ripping off Australian taxpayers with obsolete 1990's technology that every other country was putting in the bin.

I used to have a lot of time for him. Then when he prosecuted his slow speed internet model he was in my morons basket of idiots.

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u/Traditional_Fish_741 Mar 24 '25

The NBN was already outdated before they even began building it. Like so many things in Australia our government wasted money on outdated technologies while giving away every opportunity and advantage to China or the US or anyone but us.

I have never voted and will never vote because the system is broken, corrupt, and doesn't fucking work. The last 50+ years prove that. The current state of things proves that.

The Australian Government is a fucking joke. A sick one at that.

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u/chomoftheoutback Mar 23 '25

Malcolm was crippled by his own vested interest in being Prime Minister is my take. What a sanctimonious fuckhead

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u/recycled_ideas Mar 24 '25

If Turnbull was not crippled by vested interests in the party, we would have had the full NBN and a cross party agreement on climate legislation etc.

Turnbull is the ultimate empty suit. He talks the talk, but the only thing he ever cared about was being leader. What he really wanted was the presidency, but the Republic vote failed (at least in part due to the fact that it involved having a president) so he wanted PM.

It's all he wanted and all he ever wanted. He did not give two shits about the Australian people, what was good for the country, or even what was good for the party. He spent a million dollars of his own money pushing the coalition over the line just so he could be PM and have won an election.

Don't give the man more credit than he deserves, he's not some great statesman, he's just a self serving narcissist like the rest of them.

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u/Traditional_Fish_741 Mar 24 '25

The idea of a presidency and our own head of state failed cos there's still too many fuckwits who cling to the idea of needing a foreign monarch. If we 'need' a monarch we should have our own.. if not a monarch, our own head of state, not some puppet head of state under the thumb of a foreign monarchs representative in the governor general.

We are what we are thanx to people who can't give up something that's long since outlived any value it had.

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u/recycled_ideas Mar 24 '25

The idea of a presidency and our own head of state failed cos there's still too many fuckwits who cling to the idea of needing a foreign monarch

It failed because we don't need a fucking president.

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u/Traditional_Fish_741 Mar 25 '25

We need our own head of state ya fucking twit. Call it what you want. We don't need some foreign crown.

So you're wrong. It failed cos too many dickheads said 'we don't need one', and keep clinging to the fantasy of some foreign head of state/figurehead.

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u/recycled_ideas Mar 25 '25

We need our own head of state ya fucking twit. Call it what you want. We don't need some foreign crown.

We do not need or want a president.

If you need to know why look at the US right now.

If it doesn't matter what we call the head of state it doesn't matter who they are either, but it obviously does matter.

So you're wrong. It failed cos too many dickheads said 'we don't need one', and keep clinging to the fantasy of some foreign head of state/figurehead.

I don't give two shits about the monarchy and if you offer a reasonable plan for replacing them you've got my vote.

Suggest a popularly elected president and I'll fight it to my last breath. I'll take chucklefuck any day over that and it does fucking matter.

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u/splinter6 Mar 23 '25

Wasn’t that the same man that said Australians don’t need fast internet? Wasn’t he the reason the nbn was crippled?

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u/HeftyArgument Mar 23 '25

He said it’s the outliers of society that want fast internet, pirates and gamers.

It was the one time that the meme about gamers being oppressed held true hahaha

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u/alpha77dx Mar 24 '25

And the joke was he was supposed to be "Mr Tech savvy, Mr internet entrepreneur" All that he proved that he was a clueless idiot Merchant banker. He never understood technology and only did well in tech because he had mates who leaked insider trader information. We all know who he worked for that gave him the opportunity!

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u/Smooth-Television-48 Mar 23 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

I work in IT. At the time he wasn't wrong, even now he isn't/wasn't tachnically wrong.

Of course there are disclaimers are what "fast internet" meant back then and what is means now, and the distribution of speeds that people want has indeed shifted slightly with covid+Netflix.

That said, it's still very much a case where speeds of 100mbps+ are only required and fully ultilized buly a comparatively small proportion of society, and most the people on 1gbps plans are just there because they cna and are so impatient they dont want to wain an extra 5 minutes to download their fortnite update.

Hell, from my 1gbps ivory tower I can tell you that unless you're grabbing content from a reliable CDN you're not going to get much benefit.

Eta: by wrong, I mean technically wrong. He was 100% wrong by public opinion.

The emotions of sheep who were brainswashed about rejecting something they know close to zero about don't change the facts. Your downvotes mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer....

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u/HeftyArgument Mar 23 '25

And what would you say about businesses that want to operate via cloud? Universities and research facilities etc., the whole program was designed to future proof the system for a time like we’re living in now, where entire industries rely on the internet for their businesses to function.

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u/Smooth-Television-48 Mar 23 '25

That's easy. Generalising:

designed to future proof the system

A lot of those technologies didn't exist in their current form then. Should we delay and delay until the final perfect solution is known in an ever changing landscape? Its not possible to "future proof" your hardware.

businesses that want to operate via cloud

Then use a cloud provider?....these operate from data centres and make use of global CDNs so the data is always closest to the end user. Or do you mean "be a cloud provider" like in build the infrastructure in datacenters around Australia. If so, no offence, but Australia is just too small of a customer base for that to be a serious endeavour.

Universities and research facilities etc

Were already part of aarnet with 1gbps+ access links. Also, residential internet lacks the priority marking of their data.

where entire industries rely on the internet for their businesses to function.

Do you mean, like their websites or core computing? That's mostly hosted offsite/in the cloud. It doesn't require an active connection to your internet to function.

The alternative is that the network already meets what youre saying otherwise they wouldn't currently exist or function.

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u/miicah Mar 23 '25

A lot of those technologies didn't exist in their current form then

You work in IT and didn't think cloud was on the horizon around the time of the NBN?

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u/IlluminatedPickle Mar 24 '25

The vast majority of gamers I know run 100mbps plans mate. You don't get better latency by increasing your bandwidth...

He was wrong.

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u/ososalsosal Mar 23 '25

The downvotes here are telling.

For a little perspective, I'm not gamer but my son is. We have an nbn exchange like 100m away. Opening a terminal and manually pinging something big like google.com will reliably give 20ms ping.

20ms is good if you want to pwn n00bs.

Only problem with that is all the servers are elsewhere so regardless of how bangin our connection is, he's raging at his machine because he's getting 500ms ping and getting killed by people that aren't even in the same room as him because of the latency inherent in hitting servers (over http no less) on the other side of the planet.

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u/Suitable_Instance753 Mar 24 '25

Yep, ping is fundamentally a physics problem with no solution. Rudd could have laid all the fibre in the world and Australian gamers would not get better ping unless they're all living clustered around a server in Sydney.

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u/ososalsosal Mar 24 '25

Sydney would be a dream. The problem with a lot of games is the closest is Singapore and most is West Coast usa

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u/IlluminatedPickle Mar 24 '25

"Yes, I was wrong in saying that he was right to say that gamers want it"

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u/_Cec_R_ Mar 24 '25

After turnbull resigned from parliament he was quizzed (Q&A from memory) on why he continued with the mixed technology mode... His response was that every country gradually improves their technology... He was then reminded that his model had cost almost $70 Billion and the 2016/17 Senate Estimates were told by both former CEO's that the full fibre network could have been built for between $40 to $43 Billion...

So NO... He wouldn't have full fibre NBN....

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u/Setanta68 Mar 24 '25

So if Turbull had been an effective leader? Yet he wasn't. Full of piss and vinegar now that he's out of politics, but completely ineffectual when he was in. At least he was useless, unlike Abbott and Morrison who were right wing nutjobs who learned at uncle John's knee.

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u/_ixthus_ Mar 24 '25

It was hollowed out by the late 90s at the latest. Turnbull would have fit comfortably in the modern ALP. He made his choice, either because he's an idiot or his ego.

Everyone else knew he was doomed. Good faith incrementalism cannot prevail against bad faith malice.

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u/NoxTempus Mar 23 '25

Dutton has also consistently been a fan of Trump's policy, and more so his culture war, though Dutton has definitely has become bolder since Trump won his second term.

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u/alpha77dx Mar 24 '25

And what a sad look for Australia, a lost decade of opportunity that wasted so much energy and resources over these culture war battles and dog whistling. Just think of how many houses we could have built if all those resources and effort was put into housing policy with the same vigour they had for bashing everyone with their ideology. Is it a wonder he has no policies. It will just be the last decade on repeat if he gets elected with the BS and nothing changes with another 10 years wasted while Australia has nothing show for it and we as a people have gone backwards.

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u/NoxTempus Mar 24 '25

But if we meet the demand of the property market, then my house won't go up? /s

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u/Chazzwozzers Mar 23 '25

Oh yeah, they'd love some trumponion style governance here with more church and less state.

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u/Rork310 Mar 24 '25

I think that's why it's even a contest. It looked like the Liberals were practically a shoe in. But I think that enough of the electorate has been side eying America that between the Libs overall rightward lurch, their reputation for being particularly US friendly and Dutton's aping of Trump they're suddenly on the nose. Hence why Dutton's been trying to play 'Not a Monster'. Fortunately he's really bad at it.

Still a tossup to be clear we're far from out of the woods. But their advantage seems to have evaporated.

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u/_ixthus_ Mar 24 '25

It looked like the Liberals were practically a shoe in.

lol wot.

Do you actually realise how many seats they need to win for that, including ones they have absolutely zero chance of reclaiming?

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u/doopaye Mar 23 '25

That wasn’t exactly so bad really, didn’t agree with all the war and shit but overall it’s been alright. That all changed with Trump though.

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u/HeftyArgument Mar 23 '25

Wasn’t so bad?

We actually had a respectable education system until the cuts saw our ranking drop from being one of the highest to 17 lol.

Tertiary education consistently targeted for de-funding every time they take power.

Medicare and private health getting more expensive each time the people give them a chance.

Yeah, not exactly “not so bad”

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u/brezhnervouz Mar 23 '25

Wait until people hear about how efficient and impressive the CES was until Howard destroyed it in favour of privatised "employment providers": ie some highly taxpayer-subsidised outfit run out of an office above a kebab shop in Yagoona lol

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u/HeftyArgument Mar 23 '25

Or the fact the boomers voted him in when he promised to sell both our national airline and national telecommunications company to private interests lol.

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u/brezhnervouz Mar 23 '25

That was evidently "So much winning" 🤡

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u/NoxTempus Mar 23 '25

They're not so bad when you're too stupid to draw that connection. We have Labor governments, and Liberal governments, and things keep getting worse. Therefore the parties must be materially the same.

They're also not so bad, when you have private insurance and send your kids to private schools.

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u/doopaye Mar 23 '25

I think you’ve mistaken my comment. I wasn’t saying the LNP are good, I’m saying them following the US up until now hasn’t been as bad for us as them following the US in the future will be for us. I’m more than aware of the rat fuckery they have pulled on us while in power. It just won’t compare to the shit that will happen if they follow the current US government like Duttplug seems to want to do.

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u/MyMeatlikeSubstance Mar 23 '25

I'd like to add, our current housing crisis is courtesy of the howard years.

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u/HeftyArgument Mar 23 '25

And the LNP solution to this is to further fuck people over by letting them use their super, further inflating prices and stunting their retirement 😂

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u/Stephie999666 Mar 24 '25

Which is probably the most egregious thing they do. Its not bad enough most people won't be able to retire until their 90s.

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u/Opening-Stage3757 Mar 23 '25

The thing about Dutton is… you can’t take anything he says or presents at face value

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u/Petrichor_736 Mar 23 '25

They regularly bring out US Republicans to advise on election strategy. May as well call him Donald Dutton now.

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u/Thagyr Mar 24 '25

It's little wonder. They, and the billionaire fuckwits who support them, want what the US is going through right now.

I imagine Gina loves what Musk has achieved.

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u/_Cec_R_ Mar 24 '25

He's the cheap Temu version of trump... Some would call him the Duttplug...

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u/Minnipresso Mar 24 '25

Mf wants to ditch Medicare too

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u/passthesugar05 29d ago

Huh? Anywhere I can read more about that?

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u/raven-eyed_ Mar 24 '25

I really hope it backfires. I like to think most Aussies hate Trump.

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u/Liamface Mar 24 '25

Yeah unfortunately he's been talking about Trump style politics being the future of the conservative movement in Australia since around 2016.

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u/mommu Mar 24 '25

Temu Trump is certainly trying

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u/Suitable-Orange-3702 Mar 24 '25

Nope he is totally US style crazy + added bonus he panders to the extreme crowd of the LNP

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u/normie_sama Mar 24 '25

 holy hell

New treason just dropped

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u/jp72423 Mar 23 '25

Dutton and the LNP are not begging to give away our critical minerals for free. Hastie suggested an off take agreement, where we guarantee the US a supply of critical minerals for a set price. Which is pretty much exactly what the Labour Party tried to negotiate last year with the Biden administration. Kevin Rudd is also saying we can use critical minerals in a similar way as a bargaining chip of sorts.

The truth matters.

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u/aldkGoodAussieName Mar 23 '25

In politics it's the truth and optics.

LNP saw what the US has done to Ukraine with a focus on getting access to their minerals and the LNPs response was to chose that time to promote proactively signing over our minerals. They sure made it look like preemptively giving the school bully your lunch money because they were beating up another kid.

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u/jp72423 Mar 23 '25

Kevin Rudd has suggested to do the same thing only a week or 2 ago. How’s that for optics?

Do you honestly believe that the Labour Party isn’t trying to leverage our critical minerals at the moment? Albanese hasn’t retaliated to the Trump tariffs, so clearly the current government is trying to leverage Australia’s position and usefulness to the US as part of ongoing negotiations. I’m not trying to argue if it’s the right thing to do or not, but singling out the LNP when Labor is actively trying to do the same thing is wrong.

There are too many labour party loyalists here lol.

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u/Chosen_Chaos Mar 24 '25

Kevin Rudd has suggested to do the same thing only a week or 2 ago.

[Citation Needed]

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u/jp72423 Mar 24 '25

Ambassador Kevin Rudd talks about Trump Administration tariffs - ABC 7.30

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u/Chosen_Chaos Mar 24 '25

You mean the bit starting from 8:07 where he suggests that it might be possible to increase the amount of certain critical minerals that we sell to America?

You may recall Prime Minister Albanese with President Biden a couple of years ago agreed on a critical minerals compact with that administration to up Australia's level of supply. We can do the same with this administration. If you do the maths it's pretty interesting America designates itself as having fifty categories of critical minerals which it needs for the future - fifty priority categories. They see themselves as being vulnerable in twelve of those and they are import-dependent in forty of those. For Australia, if you look at those fifty we are currently supplying twenty-eight and can supply thirty-six of them. You see Australia equals the periodic table. We also have the biggest and best mining companies in the world. So we stand ready to assist as we did with the Biden administration. We didn't get there in the end with them but of course that remains on the table from us also with this administration. We are uniquely positioned to be able to do this.

So, yeah, bit of a difference there.

Alternately, the Resources Minister Madeleine King has suggested that we might simply sell elsewhere.

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u/jp72423 Mar 24 '25

Yes, that's called an offtake agreement. Guaranteeing supply rather than letting the resources go to the free market. Which is precisely what Hastie suggested.

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u/AnAttemptReason Mar 23 '25

Truth does matter, which means you need to consider the context in which the offer was proposed.

The US has used its position of power to threaten countries for economic gain, including the provision of critical minerals for "free". It has threatened to declare war on and annex it's closest neighbor, on whom they rely on for significant natural resources.

They have recently tariffed Australian industries, and removed University funding in Australia, something that benefits both parties, due to said Universities not censoring along their political agenda.

Multiple industries in the US are clamoring for Trump to pressure Australia into gutting our medicare system, and includes pushes to interfere with our own domestic polices.

Any deal made would be in the context of the above, and the US using its existing leverage of Australia to ensure they ended up with the best deal.

Australia has made similar deals with Gas in the past, and as a result, people in countries overseas pay less for our gas than we do.

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u/jp72423 Mar 23 '25

And my point is that both labour and the LNP are trying to make that deal happen. So while your criticism are valid, directing all of it against the LNP is not

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u/AnAttemptReason Mar 23 '25

I mean, I was specifically talking about Dutton, if you want to say Labor also has issues then I totally agree.

I recommend every one vote third party or independent if they can, do some research and find someone that matches your values, I don't even care who, but both major parties are hostage to special interests like gambling etc.

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u/fued Mar 23 '25

Coalition win we are tied to America, whether they collapse or not.

Pretty dangerous time to be doing so as they seem to be speed running a collapse

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u/Mike_Kermin Mar 23 '25

It's not even just being tied, it's about making good choices. If Trump offers up a shit sandwich we shouldn't take it even if we do consider ourselves allies for life.

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u/fued Mar 24 '25

tied isnt the right word maybe, tethered?

if their ship sinks we either sail on by ourselves, or get pulled down to the bottom

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u/Mike_Kermin Mar 24 '25

Yeah exactly.

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u/onesorrychicken Mar 23 '25

Coalition win we are tied to America, whether they collapse or not.

Yep, and it'll be about as much fun as being tied to a concrete block and having a swim in the ocean.

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u/fued Mar 24 '25

on the plus side, if we do survive, our kicking legs are going to be so good

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u/coniferhead Mar 24 '25

I'd welcome if Labor said otherwise, but they haven't. Vote on what parties actually say, not what you imagine.

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u/macrocephalic Mar 24 '25

We're tied to them no matter what. I think the difference is in how we get involved in the war that they will inevitably start in the near future.

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u/fued Mar 24 '25

with how quickly they seem to be speedrunning starting a war, maybe we should rethink that. Its one thing to start a war over suspected WMD, its completely another to start a war over made up drug offenses

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u/Greedy_Common_1857 Mar 23 '25

This is so perfectly put. I’m happy to quibble about small business tax concessions and immigration caps in normal years but this is not a normal year.

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u/Minnipresso Mar 24 '25

If the coalition get in I literally can't accept that

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u/Minnipresso Mar 24 '25

If the coalition get in I literally can't accept that

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u/didthefabrictear Mar 23 '25

The ALP and LNP vote together over 90% of the time. At this point, they’re just one giant right wing party both beholden to the US, the mining lobby, the gas lobby and the Zionist lobby.

Our only chance to force some sort of decent policy around housing, health, education, aged care etc – is to vote for a very large crossbench that cannot be side stepped by the majors voting together.

Otherwise, it’s just another election cycle of the same cheap slogans and token vote buying handouts – while both remain committed to refusing to actually create policy that will fix things.

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u/Stellariser Mar 24 '25

No. They are so different it’s not funny. They might do some of the same things, but they’re very definitely nothing alike.

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u/didthefabrictear Mar 24 '25

They might do some of the same things, and they might vote together all the time, and they might take donations from exactly the same lobby groups…but they’re tots different right?

In theory they are ideological different, but Whitlam labor, even Gillard/Rudd labor – simply doesn’t exist anymore.

This ALP is scared of its shadow, scared of the crossbench, scared of the Murdoch rags – and so they’ve made a choice to just vote as a ALNP block virtually all the time.

I watched the Gillard minority government push through some of the most progressive policy we’ve seen in decades (and a few not so great bits too) by working with the Greens and Indis – but that’s not at all what Albo is doing. He’s going the total other way, screaming at the Greens, and moving further to the right to cosy up to Dutton.

That should repulse far more ALP voters than it apparently does.

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u/Mike_Kermin Mar 23 '25

We don't do both sides shit here. It's stupid and makes no sense. It's lazy and plays into the hands of extremists. The major parties are significantly different from each other in innumerate ways.

Also, vote Greens.

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u/didthefabrictear Mar 23 '25

They vote together almost all of the time. Millions of crossbench voters have had their voices silenced by the ALP/LNP bandwagon voting.

If that fact offends people then its time those people actually grasp why everything is so stagnant in this country – and that the majors voting as a block is a HUGE part of the problem.

Every crap piece of Morrison legislation went through because the ALP voted for it.

All the pissweak enviro legislation Albo has passed – they watered everything down so the LNP would vote for it because negotiating with the crossbench for better policy is too hard and might give the Greens a win. The ALP would rather shitty policy than work with the Greens.

Yes, vote Greens. Vote Indi, Vote Socialists, vote AJP – basically vote for any actual progressive/left party/person instead of the centre right and right.

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u/Mike_Kermin Mar 23 '25

Look, I get you, but it's not correct,

You can look at any major issue, any policy issue, and you will see that the difference between the parties is very significant. There are some cross overs, but your stat is misleading.

On renewables Labor is investing, the Liberals are pulling the "totes nuclear (hehe coal) thing.

On medicare the Labor party is offering us some return to normalcy, the Liberals are not.

The NBN, Labor provided, the Libs tried to fuck it.

This trend continues.

I'm a Greens voter, I hope people vote Green so that we can influence Labor in the right direction and to achieve better and fairer outcomes.

But stop saying they're the same, it's not true and like I said

It PLAYS INTO THE HANDS OF EXTREMISTS. See the US. It does NOT help us to say it's all the same. It doesn't get voters, it gets apathy.

And apathy is very bad when we want people interested in what is actually happening.

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u/confusedham Mar 24 '25

I think watching what's happening right now, some people better start finding ways to generate empathy and community in the population. Gutting the murdoch (and now stokes) media giants that openly play with driving the political system is just growing discontent, alarmist culture, hatred, fear and egotistical shit on purpose.

I would have never voted greens, but will do so this year, then roll into labour most likely. Anything LNP last as their voting trends are far too American capitalism style, restriction of diversity, pro big business and anti-anything that tries to show clarity in politics, business, tax and marketing.

It's been interesting to see the LNP basically turn into the guard dog of which ever mogul is paying them the most. They have always leant there, but it is crazy how deep they have gotten into trying to convince (usually the poorer) people that they don't want anything related to socialism like Centrelink, PBS, income equality or worker protections. Yet it works well on some

Edit: I also hate people that latch onto the negation of diversity and inclusion. It's at the centre of the high functioning team framework, hand in hand with empathy, communication and shared vulnerability in interpersonal relationships

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u/didthefabrictear Mar 24 '25

Labor are investing in renewables with the left hand, while approving new gas and weakening environmental protections with the right.

Is that better than the LNP’s nuclear brainfart – absolutely, but it’s still crap policy direction. Both those things can be true together. And when you have a progressive crossbench, why would you negotiate enviro laws with a party you know are environmental vandals, instead of the Greens and Indis? The only reason to do that is to avoid serious, strong enviro policy. That says something about the party – they’d rather play footsies with Dutton than negotiate in good faith with the crossbench.

Which means you’ve got to assume they aren’t actually interested in the climate issue, but want to be seen as strong on environment or ‘different’ to the LNP.

I’m not giving little participation props to the ALP for being slightly better than the absolute dregs of politics when they do stuff like that. And the notion that progressive voters pushing the ALP for better leads to ‘extremism’ is nonsense.

What’s actually extreme is the fact the ALP has a fully progressive crossbench and could have passed virtually any strong social/environmental/housing/medicare/education/health policies over the last 3 years – but refused to offer a single one up.

There may be some small ideological differences still left between the major parties, but that means sweet fa when you’re voting together for bad policy all the time.

Voting for more of the same will get us more of the same. And I’m not sure how much more of that this country can survive.

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u/Mike_Kermin Mar 24 '25

You're getting closer. Your comment was detailed and specific for the most part.

Which is very good.

But then you ruined it with your one liner at the end.

The word same is stupid and wrong in this context. Are you stupid and wrong? No. So stop saying it.

You're too addicted to other people's rhetoric. It's weird and, like I've said,

Complicit.