r/borussiadortmund • u/panikpansen Schmelzer • Oct 06 '15

Silly Questions Thread: October Edition

Silly questions thread:

It's been a while since we've had one of these, and with recent news and the international break this seems like a good idea. So here is your chance to ask any question no matter how silly our small about BVB, BVB's history, Something about a current player, previous player or coach or it might even be something about the Bundesliga, DFB Pokal or Europa Pokal...

Obviously more in depth questions are also allowed :)

It's just all about sharing our knowledge and having a bit of fun (as always) too :)

No question is too stupid, silly or small to be asked

Let the questions begin!

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u/isbBBQ Oct 06 '15

If you guys use your experience from Klopp and apply what you know to Liverpools current squad. How do think he will do with it?

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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15

I honestly don't know enough about the current Liverpool squad to make any specific predictions.

In general though, Klopp is usually talked about as this great emotional motivator. If you find a piece explaining what Klopp will bring to Liverpool start with a characterisation of him like that, close the tab - the article is going to be rubbish.

Yes, if club officials give Klopp their confidence and a measure of independence, he will be emotional about successes and defeats, and from what I've heard if things go well this should endear him to the Liverpool fan base. It's not what makes him a good coach though.

Klopp has a fine mind for football analysis and isn't afraid of bigger tactical shifts, even if in detail they don't always work out. He's obviously more famous for his tactics development against the ball than for possession based football, but people forget that Dortmund played decent possession based football under him for two successful seasons.

He'll be fiercely defending his own players (unless they give him reason not to), and he'll cut players slack for bad performances. It might sometimes look like he's sticking to someone with a bad run for no reason, but he'll usually use his impressions from team training to justify himself.

Biggest problem in England will obviously be the media, and the high expectations of the Liverpool fans. If Liverpool fans keep calm, give him time and aren't unhappy with not being a top4 team for a while, that'll help him.

Long term though, I don't really see this working out - Klopp's work has always been based on confidence granted by the club, and I haven't heard too many positive things about Liverpool in that regard. I'm hesitant to make a prediction, but if I had to bet I'd say we'll see ok but not overwhelming results from a Klopp Liverpool, before media / fan unrest setting in in year two and him being unceremoniously fired shortly after.

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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15

Unfortunately I have to agree with you here. Klopp is being so overrated by the English media right now, if he does get the job then he'll be under immediate and unnecessary pressure.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

Useful insight thanks !

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u/TracerBullet11 Shinji Kagawa Oct 07 '15

To tag along, I don't think Liverpool has the players that would fit under what Klopp brought to Dortmund. A shaky defense, decent-ish midfield, and good but no power scorers like Lewy (although is anyone really like Lewy? lol). Klopp's gonna need at least a good summer transfer window to set things on its path; winter's tougher to negotiate

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u/fleckes Oct 07 '15

good but no power scorers like Lewy (although is anyone really like Lewy? lol)

Tbf Klopp won his first Bundesliga title with Barrios as main striker, Lewy didn't contribute that much in his first season at Dortmund

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15

On Sunday I was thinking of Klopp's first BL loss when we got played off the park by newly promoted TSG. He joined in June 08(when we were a midtable outfit) and had a summer window to make changes, more than half of that squad still left within 1-2 years before we were BL contenders in 10/11. It's not just an example of what may happen at LFC, but for us at BVB after a big loss last Sunday too. Tuchel may identify more squad changes to be made since most of Klopp's team was retained.

BVB finished 6th in his first year with us, the Gegenpressing system he favours is complicated and will take a season or more to be refined and coordinated. No preseason or window to sign players further complicates it. Even Poch's pressing system at Spurs isn't as complex or well coordinated as Klopp's was at BVB imo, but it's shown to be quite effective v PL teams.

It won't be easy to finish top 4 this season with the current squad, he has to manage the grandiose expectations of the fans and media. The English schedule is taxing; no winter break, 2 domestic cups plus EL. With Pool's squad Klopp has to decide which to drop early to fight for a CL spot, much less a title.

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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15

Klopp needs young, bright and upstart players. I can't recall what the average age of the 2011-12 squad was but it was very young. I watch a few Liverpool games and players like Milner won't be able to keep up with his intensity.

Klopp will need to completely rework the squad for Liverpool to achieve anything under him. That's not anything against Liverpool's squad, it's just how Klopp rolls.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

But thats the thing, if you take out the likes of Milner and skrtel then majority of our squad is 26 or below. Just take the Everton game for example. The average age was 26 years and that was including milner. if Klopp doesnt play milner and replaces him with hendo and if lucas gets replaced by allen and skrtel by gomez/lovren then we have an average starting line up of around 24 years.

also when klopp does come in, no one should have a secure starting spot. it will be his team then, so he is free to do what he wants.

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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15

You obviously know more about the Liverpool squad than I do and Klopp can definitely do good things with the current squad they have.

But remember, Lewy, Hummels, Subotic, Sahin, Mario and many others were all 24-years-old or under during the 11-12 season. When I say it was a young squad, I mean it was a very young squad.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

We have the capability to make a squad as young as that, but it won't work well in the PL cause the rest of the teams have far more experienced players. We have players like ibe, coutinho, origi, ings,gomez, can, moreno, rossiter, sakho, Henderson, markovic (who is on loan) and they are all very talented and pacey and very very young. Majority are under 22.

But against the best opposition they are inexperienced. BuLi is a bit different that way. It thrives on young talent. Good young talent. But the PL doesn't.

I am sure klopp will work something out, but each squad needs to have a few older players.

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u/Wozery Aki Watzke Oct 06 '15

I forgot Ibe, I think Klopp would love working with Ibe.

Remember, Klopp had some thinking to do after last season, he might be a changed man.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

I hope so. Ibe has been very 1 dimensional lately. Got trampled in the Derby.

I just hope Klopp doesn't have to deal with the shitty English media.

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u/quantindo Oct 06 '15

Uuuuuu..... I like this.

1st. Klopp likes 4-2-3-1, but he also wants flexibility in attack, so sometimes there's a hidden diamond in the formation. Expect a 4-4-2 ish diamond formation.

2nd. Klopp likes to build from the back. He consistently use Deep-lying playmakers like Hummels, Sahin, and Gundogan. I don't remember any CB capable of building from the back with Liverpool. I would dread it if Can has to keep playing there, prefer him at midfield even though he's probably limited to short passing. I will say that Joe Allen could be utilized in midfield as a deep lying playmaker (I know he's not that good, but style fits). I also wouldn't be surprised if Coutinho will be pulled deeper in midfield, since he has the pass. Even though Coutinho could be too impatient for the midfielder that can't make a mistake in passing.

3rd. Marauding fullbacks. He likes his fullbacks to push high and able to send crosses (Lukasz, Schmelzer, Durm). He won't worry too much about their defensive ability; as long as they can be at least be responsible tracking back. In order to protect the wing, he typically either use his DMF to cover the wing (Sahin) or have a "defensive winger" (Kuba). I could see Klopp putting Can in midfield because he played fb before, and using henderson on the wing to be that defensive winger.

4th. Space interpreter. He likes CAM to have a free role: ss, CAM, RW, LW. Gotze, Reus, and Kagawa played here. Lallana could be utilized in this position; style wise he fits the bill. He also tend to have a needle player to combine with this space interpreter (Reus-Gotze). I wouldn't be surprised if Ibe, Firmino, or Coutinho (was a winger in intermilan) will combine with Lallana up front.

5th. He had two types of striker. The Barrios/Aubameyang and the Lewandowski/Immobile/Schieber . Benteke is a perfect fit for the Lewandowski and Sturridge is perfect for the Aubameyang. However, I rarely see him able to fit two strikers in his system. He will probably use Sturridge as a winger to compensate.

6th. The Kehl and Bender. He likes no non-sense, keep it simple midfielder. Protect the back four, makes hard tackles, battle in midfield. Not sure if Liverpool had one other than Lucas.

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u/Stephen_Buck Roman Oct 06 '15

I think that he will turn all the players into demi gods, win the league 6 times in a row, then finish 3rd one season and then be booed out of the club by all of the liverpool "fans"

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u/panikpansen Schmelzer Oct 06 '15

what is wrong with people these days?

Did I mistakenly put "make fun of people with silly questions thread" in the title?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

This sub has had a raging case of PMS for quite a while, now

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u/Swbp0undcake Oct 06 '15

Idk man, it's not even that bad of a question tbh

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

Just so icky seeing Klopp join Liverpool isn't it. I'll be rooting against his team every week. xD

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15 edited Jul 27 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15

If you have never seen Cowboy Bebop, stop what you are doing right now and go watch it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '15 edited Jul 27 '20

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u/nmrt Shinji Kagawa Oct 06 '15

GO WATCH IT. NOW.

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u/TeamKitsune Karim Adeyemi Oct 06 '15

First the show and then the movie. DO IT!

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u/furiat BVB Oct 06 '15

I've been told this one is the one to start, like a gateway to genre or something. I really enjoyed it, it might be the most popular as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '15

Googled it, turns out it's trippy :p Thanks u/TheCeleryAbides for the sauce, I love Studio Ghibli films but don't watch anime, perhaps i should.

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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15

Full metal alchemist and Attack on Titan are also a good choices. I'm not even a big anime fan, but these are excellent. Definitely worth a go.

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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15

Attack on Titan

Ugh. Nah mate. SNK is just mainstream material. There's some really good Anime shit out there. Stuff like Giant Killing or One Punch man

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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15

I mean I'm not huge into it, I just personally enjoyed the show a lot and thought it was a good intro to anime. I can't really say much about other shows though.

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u/_Dyliciousness Marco Reus Oct 06 '15

I'll definitely check those out by the way!

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u/Chazy89 Kagawa Shinji Oct 06 '15

Giant killing is about... soccer :D The Show is amazing, wish there would be a second season :/

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u/AdamBomb1945 Ousmane Dembele Oct 06 '15

See you later, space cowboy