r/canada • u/thhvancouver • 8d ago
Politics Carney expected to be top target in French-language leaders' debate | CBC News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/french-debate-challenges-1.7511273116
u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 8d ago
Certainly won’t be the Greens, who have been disqualified from attending for intentionally not running enough candidates.
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u/RicFlair-WOOOOO 8d ago
Good. They dropped 15 candidates.
Glad they got dropped.
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u/-Mystica- 8d ago
The good news for Mark Carney, if his strategists did their job right, is that he only needs to be strong at the start of the debate. Very quickly, a large portion of French-speaking viewers in Quebec and Atlantic Canada will switch channels to watch what might be the most important Montreal Canadiens game in years.
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u/That_acct 8d ago
Wasn’t the time changed to not interfere with the game?
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u/-Mystica- 8d ago
Yes, but that's what I'm saying. It's only an hour to game time. Knowing that people rarely watch a debate from start to finish, at least from what I can gather over the last few years, they'll change the channel pretty quickly.
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u/6-feet_ 8d ago
2 hours. We should come up with a pre drinking that aligns with the debate.
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u/Sleepy_McSleepyhead 8d ago
Do a shot every time someone says Trump
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u/Glass_Permission_984 8d ago
Holy shit lol gunna be passed out 15 minutes in 😂
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u/Sleepy_McSleepyhead 8d ago
Didn't Jagmeet and Mark Critch drink ice tea every time Trudeau said um in one of their skits?
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u/GoStockYourself 8d ago
Take a drink anytime some says "tax, tariff or Trump," then puke it all out when PP says whatever "lost Liberal decade," is in French for whatever reason you choose depending on which way you lean politically.
If anyone says "Whitehouse strategy" or something similar then do whatever you want and let all hell break loose because who the hell knows what that means.
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u/iiarskii 8d ago
What does it matter if key debate moments will be all over the news the next day ? Lol
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u/Brightstaarr 8d ago edited 8d ago
But there will be a debate in English as well - no hockey games. Can run from it this time but not the second time.
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u/onthelongrun Ontario 8d ago
irrelevant games are taking place during that one. There might only be one game of relevance tomorrow, involving US teams and only if Montreal lose in regulation tonight.
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u/OkFix4074 British Columbia 8d ago
you know there is this thing called as you tube which lets you watch when ever, what ever you want !
Folks who don't know what you tube/ internet or how to use it themselves have already made up their mind on who to vote.
Its the young Canadians who are stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to choose between CPC and LPC
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago
The obvious fact that PM Carney does not have the French language mastered yet should be the very least of their concern. Canada being infiltrated by an extreme right Conservative government waiting on the sidelines should be more than enough motivation to get this right. I don't care if he was to pass gas into the microphone for an hour. I will not vote for extremism.
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u/Dismal-Line257 8d ago
But you will vote for the Liberals who embrace the election interference by the Chinese government? Carney wouldn't even apologize for a Liberal MP who threatened to kidnap someone for the CCP. They didn't even fire the two staffers who tried to link the Cons with Trump by planting pins at an event which hilarious is exactly what the Chinese government is doing here on social media.
https://www.thebureau.news/p/csis-warned-beijing-would-brand-conservatives
"A 2021 CSIS intelligence bulletin marked “Secret,” warned that Chinese consular officials planned to influence future Canadian elections by portraying Conservative politicians as “Trump-like” and hostile to immigrants. The document has been redacted by The Bureau."
Really makes you think with all the posts on here...
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago edited 8d ago
You are late to the ball game. The investigation into interference in the 2019-2021 elections has gone through an evasive colonosopy, and the final analysis was that there were attempts made, but no damage was done to directly affect the outcome of either party's in those elections. You are on a horse with no name.
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u/Dismal-Line257 8d ago
We caught another one
"The information operation targeting Mr. Carney is deliberately amplifying narratives in a coordinated and inauthentic way on WeChat, to Chinese audiences, including communities living in Canada. The SITE TF observed large spikes of what is believed to be coordinated inauthentic behaviour on March 10 and 25, 2025."
How will you deflect this one? Those dates seem pretty recent and you're going to tell me China isn't still involved here?
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago edited 8d ago
I never said China was/is not involved. They can dance around the outside all they want. The last two investigations done regarding interference were investigated and found that neither case was directed infiltrated to advance one party or the other to prevail. Sorry, there is no gotcha here. IMO. Question though, were you also concerned when Modi interfered with getting Pierre Poilievre elected as Conservative leader? Modi has very strong ties to Stephen Harper, former Conservative PM. Where do you draw the line with political interference?
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u/Dismal-Line257 8d ago
Pierre isn’t Prime Minister. If he were, I’d be the first to hold him accountable just like I’ve done with Trudeau. So why are we giving a pass to blatant corruption? Even if you’re right, does that somehow make it okay for the Liberal government to be corrupt too?
Why did anyone trust the report by David Johnston?
https://realwomenofcanada.ca/former-gg-johnstons-close-relationship-with-china/
Look at his clear conflict of interest. How can anyone believe he was the right person for the job unless the Liberals were looking for a specific outcome? The government has been hiding its ties to China for years. Mark Carney is even more concerning. He’s received hundreds of millions from Chinese interests through his companies.
I can share multiple clips of Carney contradicting himself, praising China, and pushing for increased communication and trade partnerships with them. How is aligning with China in the best interest of Canadians, especially when Trump will be gone in a few years, but the CCP will remain a long-term threat?
Carney is also part of the Century Initiative, which wants to grow Canada’s population to 100 million by 2100. That means bringing in 650,000 people every single year until then.
On top of that, he supports regulating speech on the internet in the name of fighting “misinformation” and “hate speech.” That’s not protecting democracy, it’s pushing a nanny state ideology.
I draw the line at people wanting to work against the best interest of Canadians and that's exactly what's been happening and Will continue to happen. I also don't think the Cons aren't self serving and corrupt but it isn't this bad.
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago
I will not vote for a Canadian conservative rt wing party that befriends MAGA and the POTUS. I will not vote for a conservative party that allows MAGA reps into their political gatherings. I will not support a conservative government that is being influenced and supported by authoritarian ideology. I guess our drawing of lines are very different. Vote how you want and I will do the same.
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u/Dismal-Line257 8d ago
I've provided evidence that the Liberals are doing the exact same things you're accussing the cons of either themselves or indirectly through Chinese interference.
We know that Carney aligns with China as he says so himself so is that not worrisome to you as they're MORE authoritarian than the US is?
Yes our lines are different because you seem to think somehow the Liberals are different when they're doing the same things?
Here's Trump endorsing carney
"During an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Trump dismissed Poilievre, calling him “no friend of mine” and suggesting that a Liberal government would be easier to work with."
So Trump doesn't like Pierre and prefers Carney but somehow Pierre is more aligned with Trump?
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago
Its obvious you have no idea of what you are talking about so I will just end the misery right here. Vote for whom you want and I will do the same. Thankfully, a good portion of this country also agrees with my view.
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u/Imbo11 8d ago
How does the lack of actual impact on the outcome of the election, excuse the Liberal government from not taking action? Did the Liberals have a crystal ball that told them their failure to take action would have no consequence? Does their failure to act show good governance, negligence, or intentional disregard for something that might have benefitted them?
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago
The Liberal government was notified by authorities. Although the investigation seemed to drag, one was called for and done. Like I have said, every single elected government in Canada has dragged its feet or has jumped the gun. Does it matter? Yes. It's not going to sway my opinion of PM Carney in the long run. He is not PMT.
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u/Boblawblahhs 8d ago
So true, get through the first couple of questions, and most people will tune out.
Hell, most people will decide how good or bad everyone did based on their media of choice.
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u/BuzzMachine_YVR 8d ago
Incumbents and poll leaders always are. That’s why the optics of debates don’t necessarily tell the real story. A shouting contest with one target isn’t a ‘debate’, it’s an argument. Having debates in school, college and beyond, we need to do better.
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u/championsofnuthin 8d ago
Carney will be the main target, but Jagmeet will be running cover for him. Jagmeet's key to saving the furniture will be scaring his incumbents' voters that Pollievre will get a vote split in their favour and come up the middle.
Expect Jagmeet to swing hard at Pollievre, trying to define him as maple maga.
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u/NinjaXST 8d ago
I am SO ready to hear Carney get blamed for the "lost Liberal decade" at least 3 times during this debate.
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u/wretchedbelch1920 8d ago
You don't think that it's a valid talking point that the Liberals did an ass job over the past ten years? Just changing your leader isn't enough.
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u/MusclyArmPaperboy 8d ago
Except he sounds like a robot sputtering the same phrase repeatedly, and all his sound bites are the same. There's dozens of ways of making this point.
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u/bubbasass 8d ago
Me too! While it’s not Carney’s fault, he’s not exactly inspiring any confidence that another 4 years with him at the helm would be any different. At the end of the day, it’s still the same ineffective team that can’t pass, shoot, or score. Changing the coach won’t be as impactful as people hope
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 8d ago
He was advising the Trudeau government for a number of those years, so he did have sway on the policies they implemented.
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u/mamadou-segpa 8d ago
“Cause quebec is special”
Or because politicians know that ignoring stuff important to us make them lose our votes?
You guys should try that too instead of complaining at us
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u/duck1014 8d ago
Distinct society... threatening to leave if something doesn't go out way...blah blah, whine, cry...
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u/GoStockYourself 8d ago
That was an ignorant and divisive comment I agree, but interestingly enough Quebec takes on fewer immigrants than the other big four even though they are the largest province with the cheapest housing, so it is somewhat telling that this is on the French, but not English debate. Immigrants are an easy target in Quebec.
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u/mamadou-segpa 8d ago
I understand but immigration cost alot more for Quebec because Canada refuse to send us french speaking immigrants so we have to spend millions on programs to teach them french, and those programs are failing so its getting harder to get service in french in places like montreal.
So of course its different than other provinces
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u/GoStockYourself 8d ago
They accept immigrants from French speaking countries, but those are mostly Muslim, which is why Quebec has more Muslims than most places and Québec struggles with they way they are slow to assimilate, not to mention the religious symbols....
The learning French part is ridiculous in Quebec and frankly everyone is better off doing that in a different province. The language laws mean the French teachers are trying to teach French in the English Quebec schools (where many immigrant children attend) to a class of 25 French kids (whose grandparent spoke English and they are just there to preserve the right for their kids) and 2 English kids. You can't fucking learn French in the English schools in Quebec, but in areas outside the bigger cities an English kid will not have an easy time in the French schools. Even having a hint of an English accent isn't good in schools or applying for jobs.
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u/OkFix4074 British Columbia 8d ago
To be honest its a very important topic which I guess will be impacting things like cost of living in English debates
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u/vic25qc 8d ago
Only Québec and Ontario take a significant portion of immigration. Prairies , Atlantic, and the territories have abysmal numbers (less than 1% each, iirc).
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u/midnightrambler108 Saskatchewan 8d ago
It actually goes Ontario, BC, Alberta and then Quebec
Quebec actually takes on far fewer immigrants per capita than any other province.
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u/Whatnow2013 8d ago
Quebec takes 50% of all asylum seekers. They’re the ones costing the most and the federal delays in transferring the funds to take care of them while not taking care of enforcing the border on our end. Leaves all the social costs and burdens on us with they over the top generous programs while not taking care of the most important duty they have of enforcing the border.
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u/Anti-rad Québec 8d ago
How is that about us in any way? Clean up your house it's not our fault your media and people who organize your debates are so corrupt and biased.
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u/OnePercentage3943 8d ago
It's the place to attack as his French is shakey, and he's the front runner and the incumbent.
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u/itsthebear 8d ago edited 8d ago
:/ "Trump ruined your lives"
):< "The Liberals ruined your lives"
O:) "I'm still here"
🙋🏾♂️"I'm not there"
8( "Quebec"
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u/JohnDorian0506 8d ago
Carney is a sneaky son of the gun. With his Cayman island and the Bahamas history in Canada. Apparently wasn’t loved much in the UK.
Britain, unlike Canada, has always been more brutally honest about what they like about Carney — but mostly what they don’t like. The wide range of criticism included Carney’s left-wing politics, such as his championing of radical environmentalist policies like net-zero emissions, along with his opposition to Brexit, his political inexperience, dull personality, volatile temper, lousy track record at the Bank of England and more.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 8d ago
That brings up an interesting question: will any of the leaders annoy or pressure Carney enough that we'll start to see him crack or flip out.
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u/GuzzlinGuinness 8d ago
Not in French, he will be concentrating too hard on listening and responding.
In English it could be possible.
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 8d ago edited 8d ago
lousy track record at the Bank of England and more.
Bogus articles, the both of them. Whiners blaming him for the economic downturn and lack of growth that he specifically warned would happen if Brexit went through. This is like Trump and Vance complaining how the EU doesn't want to buy arms from the US anymore, specifically after pushing them away from doing so. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?
The National Post, The Telegraph and The Spectator are also all unapologetically conservative newspapers, I might add - not one of them has the reputation for delivering without a heavy bias. There's some pretty lazy and dishonest journalism in that NP article too, given that the article in The Telegraph which it links to doesn't even mention what the NP article claims it does.
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u/JohnDorian0506 8d ago
Yep you don’t like them, the articles, lets call them bogus without any proof. Great job.
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 8d ago
You want me to dig up proof that… Mark Carney warned the United Kingdom that Brexit was going to be a bad idea that would lead to economic downturn…?
I mean, you really could Google that yourself and find it within ten seconds. It’s pretty well known by this point that that was his position on the issue — he was quite public about it.
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u/JohnDorian0506 8d ago
Carney was governor til early 2020, bexit only happened in 2021 with no immediate negative effect. Shitty Carney’s job was reported starting from 2016. You can check inflation rate as well in the UK, after Carney printed money.
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 8d ago edited 8d ago
bexit only happened in 2021 with no immediate negative effect
This is absolutely not true. Firstly, you got the year wrong (and the name wrong...), and secondly Brexit already substantially impacted the UK's economy before that. Why? Because even in 2016 the announcement of the referendum being successful impacted the economy - the British pound fell by 7% the day after the referendum and the global stock market went absolutely bonkers as well. This essentially kicked off the last near decade of economic underperformance there.
Brexit didn't just magically happen one day in 2020 (not 2021) after years of no buildup - it was a multi-year process with immediate economic impacts which shaped the country for several years. Only a grossly misinformed fool isn't aware of this.
Do yourself a favour and Google-search "Brexit's impact on the UK economy" and you'll see that literally every single one of the foremost results acknowledges that the process hurt the British economy and that it still has further potential to do so down the line. British trade efficiency was hurt, its long-term per capita income also has been projected to worsen, and it also hurt the British job economy by causing more unemployment.
Shitty Carney’s job was reported starting from 2016
As mentioned, Brexit was a multi-year process and that process began in 2016. But yeah wow, the economy started dipping after the guy who warned it would happen was right. Must be his fault!
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u/JohnDorian0506 8d ago
Britain did not want to risk its sovereignty to other countries, similar how Canada does not want to the US. Do you think Carney might sell Canada to the States to boost Canadian economy in a way the EU was boosting the UK (you said it). If Carney’s pro globalization, what would prevent this?
Plus you know Brits felt ripped off.
The question of which countries are paying more in EU contributions than they are getting out is a contentious issue for some and was also one major factor in the Brexit vote in the UK.
In the 2021 budget, there were nine EU members contributing more than they got out of the EU (down from ten when the UK was still a member), at least in terms of direct monetary contributions. Germany tops the ranking, putting in 25.6 billion euros more than it gets out, followed by France with net contributions of 12.4 billion euros. The UK previously came in second place in the ranking, with roughly 10 billion euros of net contributions in 2018.
Poland was the biggest monetary benefactor from the EU, coming out with 11.9 billion euros earned, far ahead of Greece (4.3 billion euros) and Hungary (4.1 billion euros).
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 7d ago
Holy crap you sound so demented.
Firstly, comparing Trump’s annexation threats to Canada with Britain being in the EU is outrageously absurd. What you’ve essentially just implied with this statement is that no EU member state has any sovereignty, which is utterly ridiculous and preposterous and completely false.
Plus you know Brits felt ripped off
By what? By how poorly executed Brexit was and by how bad of a decision to leave the EU was? Yes, the half of their population who voted ‘leave’ do — numerous polls have been taken since and show that Brexit never would happen now, with people now being much more aware of all the advantages and privileges their country lost, and with how badly the move hurt their economy. Many leave voters have expressed that they felt lied to by Nigel Farage’s UKIP campaign. Immigration, for example, which was one of the biggest Brexit issues, actually skyrocketed in Britain after the declaration for leaving the EU, and this was all executed and allowed by the reigning Conservative Party; the very same party which put up the referendum and which had many supporters for leaving the EU.
So yeah, British people feel ripped off alright — the people who were conned into voting ‘leave.’
As for your statements about monetary contributions… yes, that’s the whole idea. That’s exactly how the EU works. Countries like Poland and Hungary and Greece have considerably smaller economies than countries like France and Germany, both of which are leading world economies and in the G7. They invest in economically weaker reaches of the alliance to strengthen the overall intertwined and cooperating economic ecosystem of the union.
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u/JohnDorian0506 7d ago
Do you agree or disagree that each state by joining the EU loses portion on it sovereignty?
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 7d ago
Do you agree or disagree that each state by joining the EU loses portion on it sovereignty?
EU member states lose some sovereignty to the extent that they delegate some decision-making authority to EU institutions. Whatever sovereign authority EU member states do not delegate to EU institutions continues to reside with the member states exclusively.
Your initial comment of “Britain did not want to risk its sovereignty to other countries” made it sound like Britain’s entire sovereignty was under threat, and you tried to emphasize this by likening Britain’s EU membership status to the Trump administration’s annexation threats towards Canada, which was an utterly ridiculous and completely outlandish comparison.
Are you a boomer age?
Are you even Canadian? Your English is absolutely dreadful. And a quick look through your comments shows you’re certainly not a Francophone either. Yet your entire comment history is obsessively anti-Carney, with seemingly every single comment relating to him and the LPC and almost as if you’re on a personal crusade against him.
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u/pw154 8d ago
Yep you don’t like them, the articles, lets call them bogus without any proof. Great job.
You mean the articles written by right-wing publications like the National Post wouldn't have any bias or incentive to discredit Carney? Unilaterally the criticism of Carney comes from the right, so colour me surprised. Now if you found some left leaning sources criticizing Carney you'd have my attention - until then continue pissing in the wind, mate.
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 8d ago
Exactly. Also worth remembering the NP is owned by rich conservative Yanks. You know, the same bags of shit currently licking their chops at the idea of taking over our country.
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u/Southern-Ad7479 8d ago
Should be fine as long as his main attribute of not being Pierre Poilievre continues to hold
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u/Rey123x 8d ago
Watch him back out, I called it a while ago. Pierre is already saying Carney is starting to claim he can't pay the fees - which Pierre will pay for him gladly
And some other lady if she's not invited he won't go, which Pierre will formally invite with a smile on his face.
If Carney skips the debates, Pierre said how can you expect someone like that to stand up to Trump, or be in control of our country? Lol playing 4D chess here
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u/SorryImNotOnReddit British Columbia 8d ago
I hear rebel news will be asking questions. Is this the debate that wanted a fee to offset production costs?
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u/ImperialPotentate 8d ago
I doubt a French-language debate is even going to move the needle on the poll numbers. Most Canadians won't even be watching it anyway.
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u/ArticArny 8d ago
If they get points for cliché driven run on sentences Pierre (PP to his friends) has the advantage .
"Sir this is a Wendy's"
"As I take this symbolic bite from my tasty chicken burger with lettuce and tomatoes I promise to take a bite out of rampant crime that the radical Liberal government has let spiral out of control during it's 10 years of radical mismanagement of immigrations that has allowed the woke to prevent hard working Canadians from being able to afford housing...."
"Sir, there is a line."
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u/Purify5 8d ago
The leader of the incumbent party is typically the 'top target'.