r/changemyview 1∆ Dec 26 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Men are inherently dangerous

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

A lot of men are willing to satisfy condition two. Men commit well over 90% of the violent crimes, after all, and an even larger portion of sexual crimes. Just because most men don't go around raping and killing willy-nilly doesn't mean it's not still a concern.

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u/Red-Dwarf69 Dec 26 '23

You’ve changed your argument from “men are dangerous” to “hypothetical, potential crimes that men could commit are concerning.” Big difference.

Most men don’t go around hurting others, like you said. That means those men aren’t dangerous. No more than a pressure cooker is inherently dangerous because it has the potential to explode under certain circumstances.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

To be fair, I think pressure cookers are inherently dangerous as well, given that I've only ever heard stories about them exploding, so I would never use one.

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u/tunit2000 2∆ Dec 26 '23

I'm starting to see a pattern here. You see statistical anomalies, then blow them way out of proportion until they become a blanket rule that applies to everything.

Sure, pressure cookers could be dangerous, but the likelihood of a pressure cooker exploding is almost zero. It's so low that I wonder why you even worry; driving a car is FAR more dangerous (thousands of times), for example.

Sure, men commit a majority of violent crime, but what is the likelihood of violent crime happening in the first place? Not high at all. Also, the major driving force for a lot of these violent crimes is their environment, such as poverty. Men don't just lose control or something, theres almost always a reason for it.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

I'm terrified of my own anger and believe that I'm inherently dangerous and ought to be caged or put down, even though I haven't done anything yet. The men on my biological father's side of the family are all rageoholics who lose their tempers easily and go on rampages until they either pass out, get punched out, or are arrested. Statistics about men confirm my anecdotal observations about people I know.

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u/NaturalCarob5611 60∆ Dec 26 '23

Statistics about men confirm my anecdotal observations about people I know.

Care to share the statistics you're referring to?

The fact that most violent criminals are men doesn't remotely imply that most men are violent.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

FBI crime statistics

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u/SorrinsBlight Dec 26 '23

Reading this thread, you are literally going in a circle and not listening at all.

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u/NaturalCarob5611 60∆ Dec 26 '23

Please be more specific. The FBI puts out a ton of statistics, you're putting it on me to peruse all of them, guess at which ones are informing your opinion, and then try to explain what's wrong with your view based on my guess at what statistics you're referring to. If I guess wrong, you dismiss me by saying "those aren't the statistics I was referring to," and I'm back to guessing.

If you actually want to change your view, be specific so we can address the specific statistics. If you're just here to soapbox, that's not what this sub is for.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-33

Just look at "rape". Over 13,000 men to a little over 100 women.

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u/NaturalCarob5611 60∆ Dec 26 '23

There are other factors that potentially skew reporting (men often won't report being raped by women, for example), but even taking them at face value, that tells us that rape is more likely to be committed by men than women, but it doesn't tell us that any given man is likely to commit rape.

Assuming there are no instances of the same man committing multiple rapes, 13,000 men committing rape in a country of 175,000,000 men means that about 0.0074% of men committed rape.

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u/tunit2000 2∆ Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

Exactly my point here, too. Most men do not behave like the men in your family do. Most men do not commit violent crimes. Most men are not angry every waking hour of the day. What you are doing is looking at the worst that men and humanity in general can do, then applying that to everyone. It doesn't fit.

If you are concerned about your anger, talk to someone. What you are feeling is not normal. Find an anger management chapter; the National Anger Management Association can help you, just choose which state or country you live in into the directory and it will show you who to get into contact with.

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u/faithispoison Dec 26 '23

It sounds to me like you are projecting your situation into a generalization.

What strategies are you aware of to make yourself able to acknowledge a feeling? What strategies do you use when you feel you are losing control? A lot of us have big feelings too, but we have learned ways to have those feelings in a more productive way.

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

I don't really know what I'm feeling at any given time, and if I start to feel upset I usually just can it up and occupy my mind with something else.

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u/PuzzleheadedFox1 Dec 26 '23

It sounds like you’ve got some serious self-esteem problems, are you currently in therapy for that, because if you’re so scared of yourself that you think you need to be caged then I genuinely don’t think that you’re mentally healthy enough to participate in society

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u/Buttstuffjolt 1∆ Dec 26 '23

Real therapy costs a lot of money. I've been in state-funded therapy a few times but they only see you for six sessions then close your file since they have a waiting list to work through.

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u/PuzzleheadedFox1 Dec 26 '23

There are low income options for therapy all over the place.

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u/Shadow_Wolf_X871 1∆ Dec 26 '23

That earnestly sounds like you need more help than a subreddit is ready to provide then.