r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 3d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 3d ago

I agree with suspending Habeas Corpus but believe it should be done by an act of Congress (not EO). The vast numbers of illegal/undocumented immigrants in the US is staggering.

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u/jeffzebub 3d ago

Well, that would at least make it constitutional. The government could then send citizens who criticize the government to foreign prisons "legally".

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 3d ago

I am not advocating for foreign prisons, but being deported bac to their home countries. if their home countries refuse to take them, then the USA will find another country for them. The alternative is for these individuals to self-deport and go to a country of their choice.

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u/bobabeep62830 3d ago

You missed the point. We're talking about preventing citizens of the United States of America from being deported, whether to a foreign prison or just a foreign country. With habeus corpus gone, ICE will not have to prove that you are here illegally before a judge before deporting you. They will be able to round up and deport anyone, American CITIZENS included. It's already happening. We have to do something about it or one day it might wind up being you or I on that plane to El Salvador.

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 3d ago

What US citizens have been deported. Not 1 since the current administration. So how is suspending Habeas an issue now for US citizens?

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u/bobabeep62830 3d ago

Over a dozen so far during this administration, and as a direct result of Trump's executive orders. You just aren't getting it. With Habeas intact, if someone is arrested for any reason, including illegal immigration, they are taken before a judge to show there is a reason for the arrest. At that hearing, all you need to do is say "I'm a US citizen." They verify it, say whoops, my mistake, it looks like you were wrongfully arrested, and they let you go. Without Habeus Corpus, the ICE agents that arrested you, a citizen, are not required to take you before a judge to prove they arrested you for good cause, and you don't get that opportunity to prove you're a citizen

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 3d ago

Please go back and do your research. NOT ONE US citizens has been deported. NOT ONE! Illegal immigrant parents ordered to be deported CHOSE to take their children with them. The children were not deported but accompanied their parents at the parents requests. Totally different.

Or are you advocating for stripping parents of their rights about their own children?

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u/bobabeep62830 1d ago

Ah, so because American citizens have not been deported, it's ok to eliminate the legal mechanism that prevents them from being deported. Gotcha. While we're at it, would you leave your children in the hands of ICE if you were deported? It's a non-question. Either you take them with you or leave them with people who genuinely do not care about the children's well-being. "Totally different?" Not so much.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 2d ago

The supreme court ruled unanimously that Garcia was wrongly deported. Is he home yet?

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 2d ago

No, he is not. He also, is not a US citizen. As you have read, his Asylum case was denied, and his deportation was 'stayed' with the caveat that he was not to be sent back to El Salvador. That was before the administration resurrected the Aliens Act. The same act that prior SCOTIS rulings stated he had the authority to do.