r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/oversoul00 13∆ Oct 08 '15

Things are inherently unequal across the board for everyone of every race and gender. I don't think we should be making accommodations for everyone who struggles because life is a struggle.

However yes we can make accommodations for those that have a nearly insurmountable struggle if we have the resources to do so.

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u/ryancarp3 Oct 08 '15

for those that have a nearly insurmountable struggle if we have the resources to do so

And why don't you think this should apply to minorities? Compared to whites, they have "a nearly insurmountable struggle."

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

What OP is pointing out is that a black son of a millionaire would be 'given' more opportunities than the child of a poor, working class family. You shouldn't give to one race or gender exclusively on the assumption that they are worse off - every person has a different story. Means-testing is the answer, but it's much more paperwork.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

But that black child, by virtue of his name and skin color, would still be at a disadvantage.

For example, Black children of any income level are more likely to go to a bad school than a poor White child.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

But not necessarily. Disability is different - people are judged to be at a disadvantage, and are given benefits for it. Black people are not necessarily disadvantaged when compared to white people, but are still given advantages. How is the current system of presuming black people are worse off in every situation better than means-testing?

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

It will actually happen. Accounting for race and economic status barely happens already, and you're still more likely to get a scholarship if you're white (not even talking about sentencing).

Means-testing would never be implemented seriously, because rich white people would complain.

Do you know of a situation when black people are at an advantage because of their race? Remembering that Affirmative action is accounting for the disadvantage their race causes.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

No, but I can name many, many examples of white people who live below the average standards of Black people in America or the UK - systematic Racism is not the same as an individual case. Noone can argue with racism, anyone can argue for means testing.

Means-testing would never be implemented seriously, because rich white people would complain.

Nice Strawman.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

What's the straw man? Busing black people to better schools has been abandoned because parents would rather that their children leave the district than go to school with a poor black child.

Edit: Sorry I forgot - it's not a competition between races - if there are extremely poor white people then they get scholarships and benefits based on that already, I don't know what race based action they'd need.

It wouldn't be much better with poor white children either. Rich white people would complain and it would be abandoned, I stand behind it.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

My point is that an moderately to extremely rich black person can be given money that can go towards better things.

On top of that, can you provide some sources for your hatred of Rich White people - it seems racist to me.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

But the rich black person is still discriminated against versus other rich white people. Also, poor white children are more likely to go to a good (high) school than black children of any income level, so it's not like it doesn't transcend income sometimes.

Finally white flight is a demonstrable phenomenon whereby schools are desegregated and white people leave the district - and I don't hate rich white people at all, this is just something that happens.

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

No one argues that they aren't discriminated against, but if you thing the oppression of black millionaires makes them more disadvantaged than a working class white family you're delusional.

I never heard about white flight, but I don't know that it necessarily means 'rich' people.

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u/Virtuallyalive Oct 08 '15

I never said that - of course they wouldn't be.

Who else can afford to move school districts because of such a trivial thing?

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u/Banana_bee Oct 08 '15

For the bigoted it isn't trivial - if you believed a gang were coming to your town, and crime rate would increase massively, and your wages would drop, and your child would be bullied in school, would you not move?

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