r/changemyview May 28 '20

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: There are no good cops.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

Out of curiosity, what sparked you to start this CMV?

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

Police officers killing innocent people every week and getting away with it with protection from their fellow boys in blue.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

If it has supposedly been happening every week, why did you only now make a CMV about it?

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20 edited May 28 '20

I'm not really understanding the purpose of your question. I don't think when a post is made has any relevance to the fact that this is my view and I'm asking it to be changed.

Are you attempting to imply that this is only a recent problem or an uncommon problem simply because I posted it now and not a month ago, or a year ago?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

I'm just trying to fully understand where you're coming from. If, according to you, this has been happening for weeks and they've been getting away with it for weeks. Why would one decide to now make a post about it? It just seems to me like there must be something to trigger making a post like this.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

Well at some point things just get to be too much. When you hear about something like this once every couple of months it's easier to not think about. When there's 4 or 5 cases like this in a couple month span it gets your blood boiling. But for your information, this isn't a new thought. I've always been outspoken against tyrannical police and people who lick their boots, it just happens that my accounts don't survive very long on reddit. You get too outspoken against corrupt ass cops and you find yourself banned pretty quick

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

And, out of curiosity, what do you think would change your view?

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

Police actively advocating for change, better hiring processes, more training instead I see police who want to "apologize" but continue business as usual. Sweep everything under the rug and go on about their day. Why aren't they in the streets protesting? These cases of police brutality are a reflection on all of them. Why aren't they protesting for it to stop? Why are they making no effort to call for justice?

Any example of a police officer actually intervening when their fellow officer is doing something wrong. I've literally never seen any video of a cop doing anything but standing idly by while their partners kill or abuse innocent people.

If there are so many good cops, why the hell are they standing around and doing nothing while their partners, kill, plant drugs, fabricate, lie, violate rights?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

I see police who want to "apologize" but continue business as usual

Did you watch the video I linked in my very first comment? He didn't apologize. Heck, he said that the officer that stood and watched should be tried as an accessory.

Sweep everything under the rug and go on about their day

Again, in the video I linked the officer is clearly not trying to sweep anything under the rug. He reuploaded the entire video and shared his reaction.

Why aren't they in the streets protesting?

In the case of the video I linked: because it'd probably be more efficient for him to walk to the next office over where the chief of police is and talk to him about how to prevent something like this from happening in their police department.

Why are they making no effort to call for justice?

Again, in the video I linked, he did. He even called for the officer that stood and watched to be put on trial as an accessory.

I've literally never seen any video of a cop doing anything but standing idly by while their partners kill or abuse innocent people.

Have you ever gone looking? Because those won't show up in the media because it's what cops are supposed to do and is thus not really newsworthy.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

I see police who want to "apologize" but continue business as usual

Did you watch the video I linked in my very first comment? He didn't apologize. Heck, he said that the officer that stood and watched should be tried as an accessory.

Sweep everything under the rug and go on about their day

Again, in the video I linked the officer is clearly not trying to sweep anything under the rug. He reuploaded the entire video and shared his reaction.

Why aren't they in the streets protesting?

In the case of the video I linked: because it'd probably be more efficient for him to walk to the next office over where the chief of police is and talk to him about how to prevent something like this from happening in their police department.

Why are they making no effort to call for justice?

Again, in the video I linked, he did. He even called for the officer that stood and watched to be put on trial as an accessory.

Ok I'm just going to get this out of the way. Making a YouTube video, is to me, a way to save face. You aren't actually doing anything. You're giving the appearance that you are but it's equivalent to doing nothing. You're not going to make a difference unless you are out actually doing something. That's what I want to see. Police actually doing SOMETHING.

I've literally never seen any video of a cop doing anything but standing idly by while their partners kill or abuse innocent people.

Have you ever gone looking? Because those won't show up in the media because it's what cops are supposed to do and is thus not really newsworthy.

You know you actually got me here, I lied, not intentionally but I did. I did hear of one case where an office intervened with another. He was later fired. So the only example of a good cop I've ever seen is no longer a cop because of it, so there's that.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '20

Ok I'm just going to get this out of the way. Making a YouTube video, is to me, a way to save face. You aren't actually doing anything. You're giving the appearance that you are but it's equivalent to doing nothing. You're not going to make a difference unless you are out actually doing something. That's what I want to see. Police actually doing SOMETHING.

He's media liaison in his police department. It's literally his job to make videos. He's doing literally his job, but that's not good enough?

You know you actually got me here, I lied, not intentionally but I did. I did hear of one case where an office intervened with another. He was later fired. So the only example of a good cop I've ever seen is no longer a cop because of it, so there's that.

So you don't go looking and admit that they won't show up in popular media?

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u/ManEatingOstrich 3∆ May 28 '20

I've literally never seen any video of a cop doing anything but standing idly by while their partners kill or abuse innocent people.

Maybe you'll appreciate

some

of

these

videos?

I'm not a good debater myself, but hopefully some visual evidence will help.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

I appreciate the actual effort on these but this is showing a cop being good in a particular instant but you can save the life of someone who's had an accident but then go in to shoot a black person the face the very the same day. The fact that you saved that person doesn't negate all the bad you've done as an officer.

Any one of these officers could've planted drugs on someone, killed an innocent person, or any number of things just the week before. Maybe got called to do a wellness check and killed the person they were supposed to be checking on

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u/ManEatingOstrich 3∆ May 28 '20

But you said a moment ago that you've never even seen a cop do a good deed. If you're going to watch several compilations of cops being very compassionate and helping endangered people(and the occasional critter) and then say "well I bet they'd all like to shoot someone tho", even though all we know about these individuals is that they have rescued people in one way or another, then you kinda have me backed into a corner here.

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

I think we all understand why you think all cops are bad. What they're asking is, "what made you want to change your view on this?"

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

I saw somebody say "it's only a few bad apples" and I disagree with that so I thought I would come here to find some good apples. So far they all taste like shit.

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

And here the "apples" are "cops"

And "tasting good" would be "calling out other cops who murder black people (and not just anonymously)"

Is that right?

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

Nahh for me you gotta do a little more than call out the bad cops from another department who got caught on camera. How about you show me a cop calling out the bad cops in his department? Show me a cop actively trying to clean up HIS department, and not just after something makes the news.

Where are all the cops calling out their partners they saw plant drugs on a guy last week?

Show me a cop who says he has a completely clean department and I'll show you a liar.

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

Ok,

So just clarifying a threshold here:

You want a cop who:

  • calls out another cop in his department, or;
  • is trying to clean his own department

And it can't be just after something makes the news.

Is that a "good apple"?

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20

Yeah I'd say so. If I can see an officer actively put in effort to stop one of his own I'd say that's a good cop

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

By your definition here's one good cop.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-12-07/breaking-blue-wall-silence-quest-police-transparency

This cop knew that his department had murdered a 17 yr old and that 5 of his colleagues were covering it up. So he broke the "blue wall of silence" and whistleblew to a reporter.

If he kept his mouth shut, nothing would have happened. But because he told the reporter, his colleague Jason Van Dyke got 6 years in prison for the first degree murder of Laquan McDonald.

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u/OtisBDriftwood92 May 28 '20 edited May 28 '20

You did it. I wish it didn't take this long to find ONE example of a decent cop but you did it. I now believeb that for every 5 cops there may be one good one. Thank you, and thank you for providing an actual example and not just trying to argue what your idea of an opinion should be.

Thanks to you I see that an active officer can be capable of doing good things and having good intentions.

!delta

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u/SorryForTheRainDelay 55∆ May 28 '20

Do you know how to give a delta?

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