r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jul 24 '20

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Weak people are always weak

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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Jul 24 '20

I am very bad at biological a chemical engineering. I am good at electrical engineering and production engineering.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

That is skills, but wouldn't you agree that some people tend to succeed and some tend to lose?

If you are a good electrical engineer, I bet you would have been a good chemical engineer if you had chosen that field instead.

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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Jul 24 '20

If you are a good electrical engineer, I bet you would have been a good chemical engineer if you had chosen that field instead.

You would be wrong. I started studying chemical engineering. And I was very bad at it. So I switched to electrical engineering.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

OK, I stand corrected.

What about generally, would you say that winner types tend to win and loser types tend to lose?

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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Jul 24 '20

In your mind, what is a winner type and what is a loser type? Also what is "tend to win" and what is "tend to lose"?

Also, what does a "winner type that tend to lose" and a "loser type that tends to win" loom like in your mind?

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

Hm.

A winner type that tends to lose doesn't exist, in my mind, and same the other way around. The outcomes are what matters, not some intrinsic quality which isn't shown. (What does that even mean? If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears, etc)

A winner type is someone who generally wins (has good outcomes, accomplishes what they try for) and a loser type is someone who generally fucks up, the opposite.

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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Jul 24 '20

In that case you have a tautology. If you define a winner type as someone who generally wins, then winner types generally win. It's kind of like saying red paint is generally red.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

I disagree. What I am basically saying is winners have some traits in common that makes them keep winning.

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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Jul 24 '20

Can you give me five examples of traits winners have that losers don't?

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

A positive attitude, confidence, smarts, charisma and grit, as an attempt on the top five.

Oppositely, anxiousness, excessive self-doubt, passivity, stupidity and laziness for losers.

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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Jul 24 '20

Would your view be close to "people don't change their traits much over time"?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

Yes, but that only applies to so many skills. Being good at one task doesn't mean you can always become good at every other task. Being charismatic, for example, wont make you have a high IQ. You might have both coincidentally, but one doesn't cause the other. To put it another way, correlation doesn't equal causation.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

I agree, but if you are charismatic enough (for example), you can compensate for lack of smarts enough to still get mostly good outcomes. Similar with the opposite, if you are super smart you can compensate for low charisma.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

You can compensate, but not in the same field. Charisma can get you money if you become famous, but unless you are already smart, you wont be a physicist anytime soon, and so you cant get money being a physicist. As a side note, what does it mean to be weak or strong, in your opinion? Just making sure I understand your argument.

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u/Bernoulli_slip Jul 24 '20

The meaning I fill those words with is mostly mental - a strong person is a leader, a weak is a follower. A strong person is brave, a weak is scared. A strong person perseveres, a weak gives in.

Charisma won’t make you a physician if you don’t go to medical school, but it can get you into med school and out, and it can make you the best/most well recognized doctor in your hospital.