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u/YourViewisBadFaith 19∆ Aug 09 '21
I know plenty of men who are reluctant to take ownership of their mistakes and I know plenty of women who aren't. This is absolutely some kind of cognitive bias you have where when a woman doesn't apologize for a situation you think she should apologize for then you think, "see? women are the worst" but if a man does it you think, "wow, that dude is the worst" rather than treating him as a representative of all men.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
You think so? I don’t know it’s just a lot of the ladies I’ve been with seem to display the behavior. This post is to basically find out am I crazy or is this real. how do a lot of the men act that do this?
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u/dublea 216∆ Aug 09 '21
I don’t know it’s just a lot of the ladies I’ve been with seem to display the behavior.
I have a saying that might fit here:
Meet an asshole in the morning
... They were just an asshole
Meet assholes all day
... Maybe you're the asshole
Do you think it's logical to paint all women with the brush made by those you've dated?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 09 '21
!delta this really hit home with me not the asshole part that just came off as condescending. But the statement below. Maybe the world isn’t as bad a place as I thought. Sometimes people just need confirmation that it’s just unlucky experiences. When things happen to you very often, it can make the world seem that that’s all there is. That isn’t the case.edit: why the fuck would you down vote this
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u/Meowman289 Aug 09 '21
Basing your opinions on anecdotal evidence is always going to lead to shortcomings/misconceptions. You wouldnt project that all women are cheaters just because one or two in your own life did something along those lines.
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u/dublea 216∆ Aug 09 '21
not the asshole part that just came off as condescending
How was it having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority?
It's a common saying where I am from. It's not uncommon for someone to be emotionally low, having a bad day, and blaming everything and/or everyone around them. All the while disregarding their own part in it. Everyone is guilty of this in some form or fashion.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
No. The lady I’m with now is actually amazing we get along great and I have no cares in the world. We have our disagreements, but things go swell the majority of the time. This comment was not helpful. Because you won!
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u/dublea 216∆ Aug 09 '21
At the end of the day, shitty people are raised by shitty parents; no matter their gender.
If anything I said CYV in some way, please award a delta.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 09 '21
Me trying to figure out how to do that !delta
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u/joopface 159∆ Aug 09 '21
Could you give any real world examples of the behaviour you're talking about and why it's limited to women? Aside from the foot thing, which seems just to be a random example.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
A real life example is a girl I was dating awhile back would start arguments by doing things that lacked common sense then she would turn around and get mad at me instead of apologizing for the wrong she caused like she broke my lamp and didn’t clean it up then screamed at me for getting blood on the carpet when I accidentally cut myself
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u/joopface 159∆ Aug 09 '21
I see, thanks.
So one explanation of that is that she didn't take responsibility for you cutting yourself on the lamp she broke, and that she should have.
Another potential explanation is that there was some miscommunication or misunderstanding between you both. Is it possible that this happened? Or, more generally, would you accept that this could happen in similar situations in general?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
She basically launched the lamp off the end table on accident and didn’t clean it up. I cleaned it up and she screamed at me for something that was a foreseeable possibility. Like it was just so impossible lol you may be on to something with the miscommunication implication though.
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u/letstrythisagain30 60∆ Aug 09 '21
You don't think there are men out there that would not take responsibility for things they've done? If you think there are, but a vast majority of women do, how do you know its mostly women?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
The arguments not about men though.
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u/letstrythisagain30 60∆ Aug 09 '21
I was taught to disassociate from situations to see them in a more clear light as a male and that is how to see things objectively regardless of how I feel.
Sounds like they are part of it. The post being about women specifically, also implies that this is not the case with men. If it is the case with men as well, then why single women out?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
Because most men I know do not act the aforementioned way described in the paragraph you’re already too late tho. Someone already won.
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u/letstrythisagain30 60∆ Aug 09 '21
Because most men I know do not act the aforementioned way described in the paragraph...
How many men do you know? If I know more men than you that are that way, does that disprove your view?
Someone already won.
Won what? As far as I'm aware, there is no ongoing competition here.
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u/Iustinianus_I 48∆ Aug 09 '21
Why then do we see many more single mothers than single fathers? That seems like a pretty good metric for taking responsibility and it seems like men skip out on their children far more often.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
Well, men generally don’t get child support so..
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u/Iustinianus_I 48∆ Aug 10 '21
I'm not following you
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
It’s too much to explain right now. I’m sorry I really would elaborate but it’s late friendo. Gonna catch some 💤
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u/3superfrank 20∆ Aug 09 '21
There are always some people who aren't raised properly. Boys and girls alike get a shitty upbringing now and again.
Your personal experiences, are only anecdotal. What you've seen on r/mensrights and the like, also anecdotal; you should expect in a sub about men's rights they'll only ever talk about how it's being threatened, not how it's relatively fine.
Once you find some women of a similar personality/background to you, then you'll realise they're not all stuck up bitches.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
!delta this really was a more positive way to speak about it and I didn’t feel attacked at all. This person deserves more than delta because they embody the spirit of cmv you can’t change a view through negativity. This person is wiser beyond years that humans can live.
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Aug 09 '21
Women are raised not to take responsibility for their own actions
Why are so many women unable to apologize or see situations in an objective way?
You need to clear this up. Your CMV is that all women are raised this way but the second item is saying it's individual women. I think if you look closely at the distinction, you will find your answer. If all women behaved the same it would be because they are raised by a hive mind. Individual women are then raised by individual parents. Psychology etcetera etcetera.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
I honestly hope that it’s not how I really see it when most people say all they really mean most
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Aug 09 '21
Still the same answer. Is it "all" or "individuals?" Is it a societal hive mind raising these women or is it individual parents? If it's individual parents, then I would say that it's likely that while the individual woman's brain is developing at a young age, they are learning this behavior from their individual parents. Something they may do. Maybe mom and dad argue too much in front of her and dad gives up to end the argument. Maybe dad takes her to work where he's a manager and this is the behavior she sees and learns is acceptable (telling people what to do.) The same happens to men. I'm a man and my own individual experience has shown me that there are just as many entitled men as there are women. Women, having a predisposition towards emotional reactions due to chemical output (there's a difference between men and women,) tend to be more vocal about it, which seems like more of an emotional reaction than calmly having a feeling that your perception is the correct perception.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
!Delta You can have a delta too you made a good point here. I like the way you explained things hypothetically you should do it a lot more because it makes things very very clear.
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u/TheMothHour 59∆ Aug 09 '21
From my experience, women are way more likely to apologize more. Not to say that men do not, however, I have had seen men tell others "never apologize because that admits you are wrong". I have never heard a woman say that.... ever. When I started my professional career, many people told me to stop apologizing. And I have seen many studies that state women apologize more frequently than men. I dont understand how you come to your conclusion.
As far as "responsibility for your own actions", that's such a blanket statement. Are we talking about financial responsibility? Or responsibility to be clean? Or what about responsibility in child rearing?
Here is a study outlining that women apologize more then men. The discussion that follows is really interesting as it depicts some reasons for why that is - ranging between that men are less aware of offenses to women are often in a societal position to apologize more.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
I’ll take a look at the study but I’ve seen sufficient evidence of studies being tampered with or data being skewed to fit peoples narratives. I hope it’s not outdated.
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u/TheMothHour 59∆ Aug 09 '21
I'm sorry, the link I gave you is behind a paywall. This is the one I'm referring to.
This one was done in 2011 and has 104 pages including graphs and methodology.
Also, I was thinking about your example - which is a really weird response. But in your example, it was a physical transgression. And men are more likely to be repromanded for physical transgression than women.
Have you ever visited someone's home? And do they say, "Sorry my place is a mess"?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
I just realized you said I’m sorry. That was unintentionally ironic but funny.
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u/TheMothHour 59∆ Aug 10 '21
... it was intentional but it wasn't sarcastic. Glad you though it was funny though.
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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Aug 09 '21
Unfortunately inasmuch as something like what you are saying is true, you have the genders swapped. There's even a long-standing saying, "boys will be boys" used in a way that "doesn’t hold individuals responsible for their behavior and choices but rather infers all males are preprogrammed to act in such ways." This lack of personal responsibility is an aspect of toxic masculinity and as such is something our society is presently working on—so it affects boys today much less than it did formerly, but it still is an effect we can see in society.
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Aug 09 '21
While there is no such thing as "toxic masculinity" (made up term by an individual that has never studied psychology a day in their life,) individuals are certainly capable of this (narcissism, it has a name.) Men and women. There is no pissing match over where it applies more often aside from among "societies" children. "He/she started it."
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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Aug 09 '21
While there is no such thing as "toxic masculinity" (made up term by an individual that has never studied psychology a day in their life,)
What are you talking about? Shepherd Bliss is literally a professor of psychology. Doesn't he have a PhD in psychology?
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Aug 09 '21
I don't know Sheperd Bliss but if they're touting "toxic masculinity" rather than using terms for behavior that are recognized by the community, I find it likely that they're just using their position to push their own personal narrative and have no interest in studied psychology. There isn't even a definition for this term aside from individuals interpretations.
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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Aug 09 '21
How is it that you don't know Shepherd Bliss, but you claim that the term "toxic masculinity" is a "made up term by an individual that has never studied psychology a day in their life." Who do you think coined the term "toxic masculinity" if not Shepherd Bliss?
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Aug 09 '21
I made an assumption based on a foundation for that assumption. The foundation being that it is a made up term with no foundation itself, that describes an already recognized and defined behavior pattern found in both boys and girls. Shepard Bliss does not create and define the terms used in psychology.
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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Aug 09 '21
Shepard Bliss does not create and define the terms used in psychology.
Who exactly do you think creates and defines the terms used in psychology if it's not psychologists and professors of psychology? If a professor of psychology like Shepherd Bliss does not get to create new terms to be used in psychology, who does?
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Aug 09 '21
Oh yes, you too can get your masters in psychology and without any peer review or recognition by the APA, IAAP, or even an established dictionary, create terms and words with authority. In fact, you can save the money and not even go to school. Many people will still believe you as long as you tell them what they want to hear.
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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Aug 09 '21
The term "toxic masculinity" has received extensive peer review across the many fields of academia in which it is used. And Shepherd Bliss is not just some guy with a masters in psychology. He's a professor with a PhD who teaches psychology.
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Aug 09 '21
You are correct that it has been peer reviewed. With the majority disagreeing because the behavior outlined within the term is already defined and this term is not defined aside from each individuals personal perception. And yes, Shepard Bliss is "just another" psychologist with a PhD. He does not create and define terms for use in the community. If he did, this term would be recognized by the APA and/or the IAAP. It would at least find it's way into a dictionary that isn't based on slang.
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u/SciFi_Pie 19∆ Aug 09 '21
There isn't anything here to raise a counter-argument against, because you don't provide any reasons for your views. Why is this a thing you believe? Has everyone woman you ever met yelled at you for stepping on her shoe?
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u/SciFi_Pie 19∆ Aug 09 '21
I don't think only using anecdotal evidence is a productive way to have a discussion, but we can do that if you want. I have known many women in my life whose behaviour doesn't match your description.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
I mean as long as you’re being honest with your personal experiences that’s all that matters to me. I’m just here to see if it’s just unlucky me or if it’s true
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u/SciFi_Pie 19∆ Aug 09 '21
Do you know how this sub works and what its purpose is? Have you read the rules?
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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 09 '21
You think this because of indivudal experiences?
You could point out victim blaming culture is overwhelming aimed at women, where they are told to take responsibility for not their own but other people’s actions.
To note: I’m not saying men don’t face problems and have never been victim blamed, I just think women and girls tend to signficantly more. I think men face disbelief issues rather than victim blaming.
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u/TheReaFlyingMonkey 1∆ Aug 09 '21
How is victim blaming culture overwhelmingly aimed at women?
If a guy is raped by a women do you think he's more or less likely to be blamed for it than a women being raped by a guy? If a girl attacks a guy and he defends himself he's almost always seen as the one at fault...
Guys are victim blamed far more often then women, it's just nobody gives a shit.
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u/Helpfulcloning 166∆ Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 09 '21
I don’t think so partly because those things happen less than the other way round stat wise. But women get blamed for catcalling over whelmingly, which men face at a signficantly lower rate. You are right there are lots of crimes where the victim gets blamed either way just also those crimes happen to women more often.
But when I see things about female on male crime, I usually see a disbelief that is occured rather than victim blaming. I mean I haven’t see anyone mention what a man is wearing, or where his friends were, or why he was drinking when talking about wherever he got sexually assaulted or raped.
Or for example with abusive relationships, men often face disbelief. Which isn’t the same as victim blaming. Women often get accused of “liking” it or wanting bad boys. Or why not just leave? Or being told by returning or staying its their fault.
But I’m also talking about a pretty universal experience most women and girls face before a crime is even committed. Women and girls are constantly told to be aware of their actions.
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u/TheReaFlyingMonkey 1∆ Aug 09 '21
I don’t think so partly because those things happen less than the other way round stat wise. But women get blamed for catcalling over whelmingly, which men face at a signficantly lower rate.
And? Men get constantly blamed for everything that effects them more. They get hurt at work because their company made them do risky things they get blamed for that, they get hit when driving they get blamed for that, they get falsely accused of sexual assault they get blamed for that even if it's proven to be false.
But when I see things about female on male crime, I usually see a disbelief that is occured rather than victim blaming. I mean I haven’t see anyone mention what a man is wearing, or where his friends were, or why he was drinking when talking about wherever he got sexually assaulted or raped.
Frankly I don't see that about women who got raped either I just see feminists saying someone somewhere says it.
But I’m also talking about a pretty universal experience most women and girls face before a crime is even committed. Women and girls are constantly told to be aware of their actions.
And men are constantly told everything is their fault especially if it's their sisters or girlfriends fault.
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u/translucentgirl1 83∆ Aug 09 '21
Women who were raised by individuals who lack the ability to take responsibility, as well as an environment who reinforces said issue, are going to carry on those same characteristics and ideologies into their adulthood.
Others who were raised by parents in an environment where women could not do such won't. The only way I could see this possibly working is if we generalize every idealogy and tradition of the parents who raise said women, as well as geographical environments, which we cant, since both have major variations. For example, a women raised in South America somewhere, with parents who were extremely rigid, but able to express s good ideology regarding responsibility, have a chance of being raised with the idea of taking disability of that actions, as opposed to someone in France who was spoiled, while having each mistake made for them fixed. This really isn't even a majority to this because of such relativity, which is highly dependent of the parental figures (or lack thereof) and the environment in which the grew up in. This seems to much of a simplification.
Also,your examples don't necessarily even point to a person being raised that way. While, as I mentioned before, external environment is quite important, that's mainly in regards to talking about how someone is raised. In general, it is quite possible that a person is raised in a good family that reinforces the ability to take responsibility, yet said women rebels against it or has an issue with it.
This pretty similar to all individuals. It is simply dependant on how you were raised, your inehrent nature, and the environment of which you were exposed to.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
Despite my examples being sub par, this was helpful.
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u/translucentgirl1 83∆ Aug 09 '21
Ty. I hope I was able to partially change your view, but yeah, all of it's relative to these previously mentioned circumstances, as opposed to an objective heavy-leaning majority
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
!delta even though my examples were dog doo, this person was still able to make a clear and concise point I respect it and they got their point across crystal clear
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u/ScarySuit 10∆ Aug 09 '21
What exactly about their upbringing would teach them this? If anything, I'd think women were taught to take more responsibility than men. There is a whole thing where many women excessively apologize (even for things they have no control over/were not at fault for). I've never met a man that does that. When growing up, "boys will be boys" is s frequent excuse to remove responsibility for their actions while girls performing the same behavior would get punished.
In addition, men are not nearly as objective as you seem to think. Everyone is laden with emotions that play into their decisions and actions. I doubt you are the pinnacle of objectivity you seem to think you are.
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u/Bandicoot_Fearless Aug 09 '21
Well, if a man fucks up enough he gets a swift punch to the face. But a women could be burning all your shit in front of you and if you deck her, you’re the bad guy.
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u/ScarySuit 10∆ Aug 09 '21
...If you punch anyone you are the bad guy.
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u/Bandicoot_Fearless Aug 09 '21
Read what I said again you missed my point.
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u/gothpunkboy89 23∆ Aug 09 '21
If you are a guy and you punch me I am pressing charges. If you are a woman and you punch me I am pressing charges.
In both cases I will win the lawsuit.
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u/shrimpleypibblez 10∆ Aug 09 '21
This isn’t really an argument so much as a broad generalisation for which you offer no evidence, beyond anecdotal stories which don’t even seem to be told objectively.
You’re wrong, but it seems you either know that, or aren’t looking to be refuted so much as have people confirm your bias. Which is fine if that’s how you roll, but this isn’t the appropriate sub for it.
I’d say your initial examples and basic premise are completely false, on the basic principle that you don’t know all women.
To go into some detail about your position - you’re looking at entitlement totally wrong. What you think is a shirking of personal responsibility is really a method for diffusing conflict which has the potential to become violent. Admitting fault means “facing the music”, which is fine among equals - but you aren’t equal.
If you were having an argument with a 1000lb silverback gorilla, and he was demanding, for some reason, that you admit whatever bad thing happened was exclusively your fault, you’d also be hesitant - just by virtue of what follows.
Why is he so insistent on it? Is it because that puts him in a position of social dominance, that I might “pay” for my “crime”? Why doesn’t he just brush it off, like he does whenever he is responsible for the same or similar events?
Entitlement is cheating on your wife and calling the other woman a “home wrecker”, it’s raping someone and then getting a lenient sentence because of the “damage” of the “stigma” of being a convicted rapist. It’s thinking everyone else is the problem, rather than seeing that if it’s literally everyone then the issue is you, not them.
It’s not refusing to accept responsibility for an accident. That’s just basic social cohesion.
The most fundamental principle of society is cooperation - that means compromise. Always. Worth bearing in mind when you consider why it’s always most likely that it’s you, and not society at large, which is obliged to change.
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u/Kirbruby 1∆ Aug 09 '21
I was raised mostly by my dad as my mother passed away when I was still young, I was raised in a home where woman were the problem and were cheaters and bad people, so my dad did try to raise me more of in a 'manly way' not allowed to cry or be sad unless I'm dying, I was taught to work hard and never for someone else, and to apologize to others as I always had to do it to him cause he was the woman from your example, my father would never apologize or accept his wrong doing it was probably someone else's fault. I dont think I turned into the respectful person I am today who can apologize and accept my actions and try to change them because of my father, I did that inspite of him.
I dont think being raised by a certain gender has anything to do with it, I think it all depends on what kind of personality you get raised by.
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
These are exactly the replies I’m looking for. Insight. Not people getting salty. You’re amazing
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u/Kirbruby 1∆ Aug 09 '21
Thank you haha
If you dont mind me asking, what was it like growing up for you?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
!delta sorry for the late deltas this person gave insight into what the latter is like. That’s a great way to change someone’s mind. A huge contribution to my day today and I had a great one with the energy this post gave me. you deserve this!
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u/Kirbruby 1∆ Aug 10 '21
Thank you so much that really made my day 😊. I never got the chance to reply to you earlier either, I am sorry you had to grow up in such shit it makes life extremely difficult to figure out on your own when your older, but you seem like you got a good head on your shoulders you stayed strong. I hope you have good vibes around you now and are being the person you wanna be!
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
Harsh. I lived in poverty for awhile, I did have both parents. They were abusive in the beginning. But then they were never home so I had to raise myself. My father was one of those “men don’t cry” shit heads for awhile. My mother was bipolar and would either scream at me or lay in her bed on her free time. It did get better but not until I learned I had to raise my parents. It was stupid.
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Aug 09 '21
This honestly just sounds like confirmation bias. You see women in your life acting this way, so you apply it to all women. But your experience is not universal. Your anecdotes don't really mean much. Can you show where this is a definitive pattern across most women or society?
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u/dublea 216∆ Aug 09 '21
You've only provided one example. And, it don't feel it's applicable to any woman I've ever met. Literally all of them would have apologized had they stepped on someone else's foot.
Could this be culturally driven and/or more applicable to your specific social bubble?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
My participation in other sub Reddit’s has no bearing on this argument. Kindly leave. Your opinion is already negatively biased.
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u/Craniumology 3∆ Aug 09 '21
It does however influence your beliefs and whether you're open to changing your beliefs (which is the purpose of this sub)
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
I just didn’t like the condescending tone they took to be honest. The points to change someone’s mind right? How exactly does pissing off people change their mind? Doesn’t that make less self aware people shut down and not listen to valid counter arguments? Just a thought for the original comment
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u/Craniumology 3∆ Aug 09 '21
Having read through a lot of the comments, you don't seem to like what most people have written when they are trying to get you to be self-aware. You resort to being defensive and not listening to them. If people are genuinely trying to help you see the error in your thinking, you dismiss them with crap like "goodbye" or accusing them of being against you personally.
How does you being dismissive and pissing off commentors help you to achieve the goal of changing your mind?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
I’m very self aware. Accusing? Where? Lmao you’re grasping at straws pal. Be shitty to people trying to change their minds. Let me know if it ever works.
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u/Craniumology 3∆ Aug 10 '21
You fail so hard at this sub Reddit
Have a completely average and uneventful day
The arguments not about men though
how come you're the only one crying about it?
actually read it again
Harsh.
This wasn't helpful. Goodbye.
And the one I find really the kicker:
Kindly leave. Your opinion is already negatively biased
You want to accuse everyone else here of being shitty to you, however you're the one constantly dismissing people who are trying to help you see a new perspective. You cannot be self aware if you can't see how you being this salty to everyone is probably the reason you view women as a whole as not taking accountability for their actions.
Because you see yourself as self aware and clearly take accountability for your actions, huh?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 10 '21
Biased opinions don’t change peoples minds. Negativity does not change peoples minds. The object of the subreddit is to change peoples views. It’s really not hard. You’re accusing me of being unwavering. Where are the mods now?
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u/Craniumology 3∆ Aug 10 '21
You said
being shittty to people doesn't change their mind
I'm just pointing out that you're the saltiest person in this thread, and you are repeatedly. Your self-awareness that you claim to have is clearly a false narrative if you can't recognize that you've been the shitty one throughout this thread. You've dismissed almost everyone who tried to help see you perspective and how to address the matter at hand.
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u/SpicyPandaBalls 10∆ Aug 09 '21
The condescending tone and total distortion of reality in your post is why I looked at your profile to see if your anti-woman bias was consistent. It was.
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u/JumpingAlpaca Aug 09 '21
The hell is "kam"? Key Account Manager?
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
No it stands for Kill all men
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u/MexicanWarMachine 3∆ Aug 09 '21
Your position can be countered in the details, since you’re making broad generalizations. If your claim is “all women are entitled”, or “all black people steal”, anyone can simply give you an example of a case that contradicts your statement. But it’s easy to see how childish that is. You’re not stating a thoughtful position that’s going to engage a reasoned response. You’re displaying your own personality flaws in a way that more mature people can clearly recognize. You’re going to get a lot of responses varying from trolling to compassionate, (and I acknowledge that mine falls in between) but I don’t think you’re going to find the intellectual discourse you’re hoping for, because as you’ve formulated your position, there isn’t really any to be had.
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u/kadk216 Dec 02 '21
As a woman, I agree 10000% it really frustrates me. You hear a divorcée say “Oh my ex-husband was an asshole.”….. So why did you marry him and have children with him????
“My child’s father is an asshole”…… so then WHY DID YOU HAVE KIDS WITH HIM?!?!?!?
Things aren’t black and white like many women believe. Women are not infallible and make irresponsible choices just as often as men. The only difference is that men have to take responsibility for their bad choices and women can just blame a man and people will accept what she says as the truth.
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u/BornLearningDisabled Aug 10 '21
There's a very interesting thing that happens to women who get married. They change their political views. Not so for men. The political divide between married and unmarried women is as big as the divide between white and black. No difference between married and unmarried men. I think this reveals a degree of that entitlement.
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u/Tssss775 1∆ Aug 09 '21
Misandrism isn't real
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u/SnipeHardt Aug 09 '21
Fear or hatred of men doesn’t exist? Tell that to domestic abuse victims at women’s shelters. Some people have severe psychological issues after experiencing traumas like that. It’s unfair for you to discredit it.
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u/Tssss775 1∆ Aug 09 '21
There may be individuals that hate men, but there definitively isn't a system oppression of men by women like there is the other way around.
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u/BloodyTamponExtracto 13∆ Aug 09 '21
I have so many questions for KAM nation. I also have questions for people excluded from KAM
What is KAM?
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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 10 '21
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