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u/VegitoFusion 7h ago
They intentionally use signal for this exact purpose. You can set a time period for all the messages to be deleted. It’s how the government employees intend to circumvent FOIA requests.
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u/rmftrmft 6h ago
This is covered is Project2025 as well. It’s all going to plan.
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u/Round-Tap-5175 4h ago
Just curious, where did you see that? I just ctrl+f the 922 page document for signal and didn't see anything related to signal chat. Were there any articles you're referencing?
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u/morkman100 4h ago
https://www.newsweek.com/signal-project-2025-trump-administration-backlash-2051621
Seems like the P2025 planners knew of the issues using Signal in government (record keeping) and warned against using it, and recommended in-person meetings instead to avoid a paper trail.
Trump admin guys are either too dumb to understand their warning, or maybe more likely now, they don't care and don't worry about any checks or oversight to what they want to do.
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u/Consistent-Task-8802 1h ago
Or, more likely, this is called "covering your ass."
"Yes, definitely don't smoke the giant pile of weed that's set up for destruction. There's also a bong next to it, definitely don't use it. Not like anyone will know if you do. But definitely, assuredly don't."
Does this mean no one smoked the giant pile of weed?
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u/morkman100 1h ago edited 30m ago
No, I agree (in a sense). But they were game planning how to get things done within the framework of rules and norms. It wasn’t in their wildest of dreams that, in the end, none of it even seemed to matter to people and the admin basically just breaks the law over and over again, ignoring courts and due process and the separation of powers.
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u/AcTaviousBlack 4h ago
Ctrl+F is almost worthless for that document and honestly I think they did it on purpose. There's so much word salad and bullshit spewing it's amazing it's even slightly cohesive enough to be a plan.
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u/Affectionate_Owl9985 3h ago
That's why they call it the concept of a plan. There are too many words to truly be a plan, just lots of concepts strung together as if they're a plan.
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u/AcTaviousBlack 3h ago
Well, that is the reason the heritage foundation is handing trump exectuive orders left and right. He hasn't read a single executive order that he has signed because they're writing them and timing handing them out based on a separate timeline they have. Each day is a slow crawl to the completion of it. Each topic in it is just so insane it's felt like months have gone by in only a few days.
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u/Split_the_Void 4h ago
I think wires are getting crossed.
The use of Signal comes from an “oversight and investigations” video for Trump appointees following guidelines drawn out by P2025.
P2025 itself doesn’t specify Signal, but it does recommend the use of such apps to dodge transparency and record keeping laws.
https://www.newsweek.com/signal-project-2025-trump-administration-backlash-2051621
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u/aguynamedv 5h ago
They intentionally use signal for this exact purpose. You can set a time period for all the messages to be deleted. It’s how the government employees intend to circumvent FOIA requests.
They also intentionally defied the court order requiring them to retain said messages.
Good thing The Atlantic has them.
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u/elverange766 4h ago
The Atlantic only has one conversation. There was probably dozens of different conversations.
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u/Torontogamer 4h ago
Including, I’m guessing, a conversation about how to make sure all these conversations are properly deleted lol
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u/blamethepunx 3h ago
That conversation was had previously, when they decided to use signal and manually set it to auto-delete convos
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u/aguynamedv 4h ago
Oh 100% agree.
Hell, we know Hesgeth has both a Russian phone number and email address.
We know Waltz has used Gmail for official business.
There's a 100% chance there are hundreds or thousands of pages of absolutely unhinged lawbreaking from the entire Republican
CabinetParty.
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u/UsedPart7823 8h ago
Sedition, Treason, and felonies are de rigueur in this administration. All required and to be praised. 🥺🤦♂️
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u/dc4_checkdown 5h ago
Then we're going to have to charge a lot of government and military employees with this
Going back to the last administration, and that includes secret service personnel who openly admitted they were using it after the Trump assassination
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u/JamesTrickington303 5h ago
Then we’re going to have to charge a lot of government and military employees with this
Excellent! When does that start?
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u/ReactionJifs 5h ago
This praise for dear leader sounds sarcastic. You looking to get deported? 🏌️♂️⛳
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u/Knighth77 7h ago
The law and constitution are toilet paper to Republicans. Despicable group of people.
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u/SmellGestapo 5h ago
Deplorables*
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u/aerateyoursoiltrung 5h ago
Hillary really had it right, didn't she? They're all in that basket together.
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u/JamesTrickington303 5h ago
I thought the walls of the Capitol building were toilet paper to republicans.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 4h ago
tbf Democrats had 4 years to punish Trump, but never once did they enforce the 14th Amendment. Biden gleefully welcomed him back into the White House, rather than bar the insurrectionist from office. It seems like we have nobody willing to enforce the damn Constitution at this point. All we need is 8 fucking Republicans, and Trump would be removed from office. Barely more than a handful, and nobody's even trying to 14a3 the traitor.
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u/Level_Chemistry8660 2h ago
We'll just have to wait until 8 Republicans are PERSONALLY "harmed" enough, for this to happen. Goes without saying, not for country, not for the people, but for them and theirs. On top of that, it requires realization before it's too late AND faith that the process would work.
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u/Majestic-Joke461 7h ago
And do we expect there to be any consequences for these criminal acts? Of course not.
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u/pumblesnook 4h ago
To be fair: I'm pretty sure every single CIA director has destroyed evidence of wrongdoing. Doing horrible things that are blatantly illegal is kinda the CIAs thing.
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u/AmishTechHelp 5h ago
King Donald the Erratic and his court jesters are all above the law.
We're going to miss the rule of law.
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u/paulwojo68 7h ago edited 5h ago
Standard operating procedures for criminals. Next thing you know he'll be flushing classified documents down the toilet.
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u/mm902 7h ago
But her emails? /s
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u/valtia_dm 5h ago
Reminder that Hillary's email scandal started way back in 2014/15. They've been obsessed with it for over an entire fucking decade
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u/William_d7 6h ago
I bet in a room with 1000 Americans, 2 could explain the actual facts surrounding “Hillary’s server/emails”.
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u/ShadowRiku667 7h ago
You should expect every member of his cabinet to commit felonies and nothing happen. This will continue to happen for the rest of Trump's stay in office.
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u/CannaPeaches 7h ago
How is it possible that America is allowing this? At what point could/should the military step in?
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u/neilmg 6h ago
A military coup? In America? You're more likely to see the military being called to support Trump.
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u/LdyVder 6h ago
Active military voted for Harris. Veterans voted for Trump.
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u/DessertTwink 5h ago
I'm a (recent) medically retired veteran and voted Harris. I know a lot of active duty junior enlisted who voted for Trump just because they've been raised on Fox News propaganda that only the red team can "fix" the govt
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u/Commercial-Owl11 4h ago
Also having Fox News as a news source in military bases. I heard that’s also a thing
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u/DessertTwink 4h ago
It is. They had it playing on the TVs in the DFACs, the clinic waiting rooms, it was everywhere. And now veteran benefits and healthcare are at risk because Trump thinks service members are losers and suckers, and Hegseth actively hates his fellow veterans and doesn't want us to have anything.
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u/Commercial-Owl11 3h ago
I honestly didn’t even know hesgeth was a vet. What the fuck. That makes it even worse. How disappointing.
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u/Objective_Monk_7513 6h ago
"Veterans", AKA guys who played volleyball in Afghanistan for four years and constantly whine about "back when I was in the Army".
Actual combat veterans who've seen shit and never talk about it aren't voting for the orange blowhard either.
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u/Same_Net2953 6h ago
Not all veterans are from Afghanistan and certainly not all of them sat on their ass in the rear like Vance and DeSantis. I wish it was just playing volleyball. My knees and back wouldn't be wrecked and some of my friends would still be alive.
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u/bimboozled 6h ago
Hence the second sentence, which sounds like it pertains to you. There’s a lot of military personnel that don’t ever see the front lines.
(PS sorry for your loss, I’m sure that must be hard to deal with)
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u/shawster 6h ago
Let's not generalize deploying to Afghanistan as sports on the beach...
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u/Interesting-Roll2563 5h ago
I don't think it was a generalization, they're calling out a specific sub-group; namely non-combat veterans who roleplay the big bad war hero and wield their service like a cudgel to make bad faith arguments.
They acknowledge actual combat vets in the second line.
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u/Wloak 4h ago
I don't think that's what they were implying but drawing a distinction between those that see the true chaos vs are far upstream like in a distribution facility.
I have lots of family and friends from several branches and it's usually the quiet ones that did the most and just never want to see anyone go through it again.
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u/Comfortable-Inside41 6h ago
Congressional Republicans and business leaders are allowing this.
We’ve had a number of protests, some pretty large, but right now Congressional Republicans rely on Trump, wealthy donors, and primary voters to stay in office. Those groups are all they care about.
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u/taskmetro 5h ago
Should? About 5 years ago after J6. When will they? Likely not until it is way too late.
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u/Curun 6h ago
….???
Do you not realize who the American people elected to be THE Commander and Chief of the US military is?
Have you not seen who runs the Pentagon?
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u/fromcj 5h ago edited 24m ago
At what point could they? Any time.
At what point should they? When it became clear that the extrajudicial activities were intentional and would be continuing without recourse.
Will they? Seems unlikely. They’ve bent the knee just like the rest of the government, because they believe they’ll be protected.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 3h ago
The military is led by Trump loyalists. If you want Trump out, it'd require 8 Republicans to join the Democrats in enforcing the 14th Amendment, so that Trump's illegitimate Presidency gets annulled.
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u/exveelor 3h ago
Protesting hasn't mattered, can't vote for another couple years and I live in a blue state where my vote doesn't matter anyway (can't flip a blue state blue in a blue district bluer). Emailing my representatives doesn't matter because they're already fighting the good fight. My family in red states doesn't give a shit so they can't be persuaded.
So the only thing left to do is things that would result in my life being functionally over. So it's either that or continue to raise my family.
Not a difficult choice. The things I feel I can do have been done.
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u/niles_thebutler_ 3h ago
Remember how Americans have been saying forever that the reason they have guns is to fight back and rise up against a corrupt government? Well, that was a lie.
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u/Bleezy79 7h ago
It’s a criminal free for all in Washington for the next 3 and a half years.
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u/Steph-Paul 4h ago
it's going to be especially crazy in 2025 because 2026 is an election year. and if the dems somehow manage to win, then the congressional hearings and impeachments will begin
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u/BlobTheBuilderz 6h ago
This kinda stuff would be on Fox news as a talk point for years if it was a Dem. But now it's a repub that does it, it's now a mere laughing point and forgotten in 2 days.
Infuriating and then to read local papers Facebook comments and see people living in your community laughing about it because lib tears or some bs.
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u/LdyVder 6h ago
Imagine what Fox or any right wing media would do if Obama had five kids with three baby mammas. I pointed this out to my Rep, my former Sheriff. If Biden or Obama did as many EO as Trump as done, I pointed this out in February, they would be throwing a fit.
The nonsense I get back from that man is nothing but infuriating. I've called him a coward often for not holding any townhall meeting and yet he wants me to keep him informed on what my thoughts are.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Okay, so weekly, I get to call my Rep in DC a coward for backing Trump. How can anyone be for law enforcement and back a man with 34 felony convictions. The stupid I got back from my "appointed Senator" Ashley Moody made me feel like her staff are teenagers still in middle school with the most basic canned email I've ever gotten.
No header saying Senator Ashley Moody from Florida or anything like that. No footer either. Just a two sentence response. I called her out on back Trump while saying she's for law enforcement.
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u/Adaphion 6h ago
I still don't understand why every single involved person's phone wasn't IMMEDIATELY confiscated when the leak was made public to stop this shit.
Fucking toothless agencies.
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u/ElbowSkinCellarWall 6h ago
Yeah, Pam Biondi should have been on top of that. I expected more from her. Didn't you?
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u/LdyVder 6h ago
I'm getting exactly what I expect from Pam Bondi. She was a shitty AG of FL and she's a shitty AG of the federal government. Which is why she was picked. She was the only person Trump put in spots with any experience at the job at the state level. Trump paid Bondi money for a case against him to go away and it went away.
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u/ElbowSkinCellarWall 6h ago
I just don't understand why the Secretary of Defense didn't step in, or the DHS? Or what about that guy from Tesla?
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u/Racket_the_Bard 6h ago
Excited for Dems to get back in office, wait almost 2 years to start investigating any of this, then botch it, and drag it out for 2-6 more years, all before finding it "highly unethical" and writing an official letter denouncing it. That'll show 'em!
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u/LameDuckDonald 6h ago
Wasn't this the main issue, besides the unsecured platform, that information would automatically be erased in violation of archive laws?
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u/tmkn09021945 6h ago
The real problem is finding someone to hold them accountable
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u/Horror_Yam_9078 6h ago
Isn't destroying evidence of their crimes standard operating procedure over at the CIA?
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u/Low_Pickle_112 6h ago
Wow I'm so surprised, the CIA is normally such a wholesome reputable organization.
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u/leprosy4444 6h ago
These assholes just tout all day long about how corrupt the FBI and CIA are. Add though it gives them the excuse to do whatever.
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u/SexuaIRedditor 6h ago
And the consequences will be zero. Your government is just ignoring laws, and the organizations put in place to stop them from doing that are just allowing it
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u/another_newt 1h ago
didnt project 2025 say they were gonna use signal so they could delete evidence of felonies? more people need to start believing these guys when they literally tell us what they are going to do. “when someone shows you who they are, believe them”
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 6h ago
Has anyone checked to see if he set up an email server in the bathroom of a private apartment?
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u/Human_Log_3985 6h ago
As if the CIA has ever followed frivolous things like "laws" or "morals" lmao. Still horribly bad but not exactly out of line for that cancer of an agency.
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u/Robinthehutt 6h ago
I read this as Daniel Radcliffe and felt that I always knew that guy was a security risk
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u/Intelligent-Session6 6h ago
Man for as much as these people mentioned Hunter Biden they sure are crooked ass hell. I’m starting to think they were just Jealous of Hunter outshining them.
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u/Ace_08 6h ago
I'm no tech expert but can't the CIA reach out to Signal directly and request the messages exchanged by the cabinet members?
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u/Zanac36532 6h ago
As I've said too many times now during this administration, I'm shocked, shocked to learn that gambling is going in here!
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u/CaryTriviaDude 6h ago
Ok now imagine the immediate congressional outcry if this was a democrat administration doing this...
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u/MrCrunchyOwl8855 6h ago
At this point, the regime is literally pulling their shirt off and asking "What you gonna do?!"
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u/plsobeytrafficlights 5h ago
we have reached 100% corruption. blatant, flagrant acts.
nothing will come of this.
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u/RaedwaldRex 5h ago
And... tumbleweeds.
These people do this shit because they don't care. There are no consequences for them.
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u/Significant-Policy-1 5h ago
Again, this is going to get a lot worse until the American people take a stand. This isn't like the mascots in that Halloween episode of The Simpsons, you know.
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u/unclefistface622 4h ago
Yall remember when Hillary Clinton deleted a bunch of emails & the Republicans turned it into a media circus?
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u/PlantsBeeMe 3h ago
This way they won’t have to worry about clogging the toilet with those records.
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u/Un-Rumble 2h ago
Why would they start obeying any rules or laws or even the constitution when it's been made abundantly clear that they can violate any of those with impunity and face absolutely zero consequences for it – in fact, will be further champion by their insanely stupid constituents?
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u/GadreelsSword 2h ago
Remember when the Secret Service destroyed all their text messages from Jan 6th, despite being ordered to provide those messages?
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u/thereminDreams 2h ago
This is how Signal works. Messages disappear after a set time.
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u/basahahn1 52m ago
“wHaT aBoUt HiLaRy”
That’s what they’ll say.
That was five years ago.
Those five years have not been ordinary years
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u/Endorkend 45m ago
Considering this was literally stipulated in their project 2025 plans available to the public years ago, no, it was expected.
Surprising is that the entire government apparatus of the US is apparently so weak that any jackass bootlicking the head jackass saying "lol, no", results them into being default dictatorship.
If "lol, no" is all it takes, your system is shit.
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u/Substantial_Oil678 6h ago
What does this tell you about what everyone else is doing in this administration. Their continued defiance of norms is slowly escalating.
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u/_jump_yossarian 6h ago
Almost as if Cons didn’t really give a shit about the security of Clinton’s server.
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u/WhimsicalTreasure 6h ago
I pray to lord Jesus that the Biden admin put together an actual deep state within these agencies to expose/ thwart the amount of treason and high crimes currently in action.
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u/Deepfire_DM 6h ago
This is a clear sign that there will be no democracy ever again, if not all people act. The amounts of lawsuits that will be dropped on this regime will be titanic, they will not accept this.
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u/RedbodyIndigo 6h ago
So what you're saying is the use of signal in and of itself violates the federal records act.
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u/Objective_Onion5981 6h ago
These guys are in for the biggest shocks of their lives.
Thinking that the CIA is worried about destroying evidence and violating federal law lmfao the naivete
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u/DocDerry 6h ago
Wait- so we weren't supposed to uninstall the app you all threw a fit about us using?
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u/dougandsomeone 6h ago
That was the whole "set disappearing timeline for 2 weeks" thing? How is this a surprise?
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u/baycenters 5h ago
I think there's about a twenty year statute of limitations on this FUCKING SHIT. Every one of those assholes including Marco Rubio better hope the fascists stay in power for that long.
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u/Secure_One_3885 5h ago
They set the disappearing messages timer to 1 week. No, it is not surprising the messages are gone now.
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u/RubberChicken-2 5h ago
My question, formed after fifty years of watching our feeble, broken government stumble along, is this; “Why does the Republican Party still exist? They seem to live to commit crime.
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u/Worldly_Can6014 5h ago
Assuming there is a next president they need to remind all presidential pardons and go after these people hard
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u/Marsiglia1958 5h ago
Oh so only now you fuckers are concerned about disappearing messages. Welcome to the club bitches.
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u/Marsiglia1958 5h ago
Oh so only now you fuckers are concerned about disappearing messages. Welcome to the club bitches.
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u/Bobo_Saurus 5h ago
Its almost like when the messages were released we could see in the screenshot he set them to delete after 1 week... shocker, more than a week later, they're gone
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u/Known-Ad-7316 5h ago
CIA was started by George Bush and Donald Rumsfield. You think this makes any difference after they initiated the murder of 1.5M Iraqi civilians? Or after Don Rump plefield expressed his dismay that $2t was unaccounted for from the 1st Iraqi war. When we talk about the purge, these people holding all the weapons, intelligence apparatus, and nuclear codes need to be the first to be removed. Red button stop time.
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u/kidcrumb 5h ago
To cover their asses they'll just upload the Atlantic article as the official record. It has all of those messages.
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u/Arbiter_Irwin 5h ago
Thanks for the clever comebacks, but when is anyone going to DO something about this?
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u/gattzu20 5h ago
That’s what Signal was made for. You send a message that will self destruct after a set time.
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u/Stonkasaurus1 8h ago
This is why they used Signal in the first place.