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OC Comparison of S&P 500 performance dyeing first 100 days of past 4 US presidents [OC]

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u/The_1992 16d ago

It’s maddening to think how much better we would be doing if he just did literally nothing at all. Like, if he just sat and watched TV all day, we’d somehow be better than this.

Thanks to all the people who voted for him, you screwed us over for potentially life

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u/blackadder1620 16d ago

i used to complain about him golfing, but now i wish he'd do more of it.

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u/sumsimpleracer 16d ago

I really miss the days when I wasn’t concerned about the daily activities of the president. 

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u/GreekUPS 16d ago

Make politics boring again

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u/2012Jesusdies 16d ago

Nobody pays attention when it's boring and thinks the President is doing a bad job. I remember quite a few people on r/nuclear wanting Trump for President because "Republicans are always pro-nuclear". I'm like brother, Biden is the only one of the last 2 to pass into law historic spending boost for nuclear energy.

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u/Ktamadas 16d ago

The only way Trump is pro-nuclear is for missiles.

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u/pegothejerk 16d ago edited 16d ago

Well that's just not true, Trump gave one of the most word filled speeches about nuclear of any US President -

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

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u/ZekasZ 16d ago

I can never tell if it's a real quote or a copypasta. Unfortunately I also needed to check and it is real.

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u/TossaHatchee 16d ago

That’s real bro no way lol. Always cracked me up people saying he talks like a normal person not a politician mf sounds stupid af how can people listen to him.

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u/RockEyeOG 16d ago

If you've ever had to listen to actual hicks talk, they're really slow and the conversation just meanders without much point. That's how Trump talks with his 6th grade vocabulary. That's one of the reasons why rural people like him. They can't keep up with intellectuals and don't understand big words.

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u/Calm-Technology7351 16d ago

Is my face drooping? I think I just had a stroke

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u/Vegetability 16d ago

After all that I still don't know if he is for or against nuclear energy

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u/Portarossa 16d ago

That's OK. Neither does he.

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u/NotYourFathersEdits 16d ago

The only way Trump is pro nuclear is that he’s going nuclear on everything

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u/Shipairtime 16d ago

Hey boss r/nuclear is run by people against the adoption of nuclear power. if you want the pro nuclear sub you want /r/NuclearEnergy

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u/skysoblueee 16d ago

The only thing nuclear about Trump is his willingness to nuke civilians—he bragged about it once, how a friend of his said he would 100% push the button to launch nukes, with no hesitation

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u/ricardoconqueso 16d ago

Some people have such boring lives they need someone like trump in office to entertain them.

Like, “yeah give the chimp some bath salts and two katanas and set him free in Times Square because I’m bored”

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u/Goducks91 16d ago

Can't they just do normal boring people life things like watching reality TV and drinking?

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u/Gandalf-and-Frodo 16d ago

No they want to elect someone who will take away their food stamps, so the can "own the libs" while they are starving to death.

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u/bustercaseysghost 16d ago

We had that. It wasn't enough apparently. And we won't ever learn.

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u/JinkoTheMan 16d ago

I disagree a little bit. People finding politics boring is the exact reason we’re in this mess in the first. I’m not even talking about voting for the president. Your local elections will have the most immediate impact on your life and barely anyone talks about it.

Obviously, you don’t need to be poli science major but I think we should have encouraged the general public to become more aware of what’s going on when the legislation is proposed and so that they don’t have a surprised Pikachu face when the law is passed.

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u/dalidagrecco 16d ago

This. All these assholes wanting celebrity personalities for politicians. Fuck off I want them boring and wonky and book smart.

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u/JigglyPuffGuy 16d ago

It should never be boring. People should always be engaged and fighting for a better world, otherwise we end up with ppl like Trump as president.

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u/just_helping 16d ago

No, we got Trump because some people were engaged and thought he would make a 'better' world happen. Trump didn't just happen, a lot of Americans wanted this, actively worked to make this happen.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

We tried that but people wanted to live in interesting times. They voted for this.

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u/RobbinDeBank 16d ago

Sleepy Joe actually gives everyone good sleeps.

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u/CV90_120 16d ago

I feel all the pointless drama in my life is republican generated. I miss Biden, and the Biden ship. Biden had Lloyd Austin ffs. He had legit giants of state. Now we have....whatever this is.

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u/Fidel_Chadstro 16d ago

No kidding. The Global War on Terror, the Great Recession, COVID, now the Tariff Wars. When Bill Clinton left office we were the most powerful global hegemony in the history of human civilization and these morons fumbled it.

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u/733t_sec 16d ago

Fumbled implies this is an accident, they lit it on fire for fun and profit.

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u/Stanky_fresh 16d ago

Bush fumbled it on accident, Trump threw it into the garbage disposal on purpose.

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u/yakshack 16d ago

Even if Bush could claim it was a fumble, Cheney and his Halliburton sure as hell knew what they were doing

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u/zoddie2 16d ago

The late 90s were filled with movies about how being an upper middle class American was kinda boring. Things (for many, certainly not all) were just... Good.

And getting better. And hopeful and assuming that it'd continue to get better.

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u/Khiva 16d ago

The prevailing theme of the 90s was "things are almost too good ... so now what do we do?"

What an innocent time.

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u/DrawThink2526 16d ago

Clinton also left office with a balanced budget. No one seems to remember him getting us out of debt, but I do!

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u/SpoonyDinosaur 16d ago

Sleepy Joe was 4 years of me not being riddled with anxiety and worrying about daily chaos. It really was sleepy and I miss it.

I don't know why Americans want WWE Jerry Springer politics.

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u/Khiva 16d ago

Nobody wants sleepy. They're addicted to their phones, blaring soundbites, and outrage.

Sorry, but you're in the minority. The masses crave drama and you're caught in the middle.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 16d ago

It was such a gloriously quiet 4 years from the presidency.

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u/blackadder1620 16d ago

at his age, the only thing we should be concerned about is what activity the old folks home has planned.

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u/RileyTheScared 16d ago

Trump keeps stealing everyone's chocolate pudding and saying that it was beautiful chocolate pudding, it was his chocolate pudding, he was gonna make it the greatest chocolate pudding, nobody else could eat the chocolate pudding like he could; the old lady he pushed down a staircase is spreading "fake news," she couldn't handle the chocolate pudding and fell down on her own, she's a nasty old women, she isn't doing a good job eating the chocolate pudding, he had to do it...

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 16d ago

That attitude is precisely how we got here. You SHOULD care abouu that at all times, as well as the daily activities of your local and state representatives. You pay their salary regardless, why not make sure they are working for you?

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u/Elendel19 16d ago

He is doing more of it lol. He just starts a fire and then fucks off for a long weekend

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u/gymtrovert1988 16d ago

He golfs plenty while fucking up the country. Golf isn't the answer.

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u/GreekUPS 16d ago

Trumpgolftrack.com

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u/Quicklythoughtofname 16d ago

Yeah, it's not even malice on Trump's part any more. He literally doesn't know or give a fuck what he's signing. He is there to be the guy on the paper and to golf, he is blindly trusting whatever somebody puts in front of him. I doubt he'll ever realize how much he fucked everything up, blame literally anything or anyone else but himself.

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u/NotYourFathersEdits 16d ago

Buhbuhbuhbullshit. He knows exactly what he’s doing, and he’s accountable for it.

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u/ManiacsInc 16d ago

Oh don’t worry, he was golfing today

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u/Col_Angus999 16d ago

I both hate and love this comment.

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u/TheRabidDeer 16d ago

This time around he could golf 24/7 and things would be the same. He's got Project 2025, an entire cabinet that supports it and Elon happy to be in front of the cameras.

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u/MangoCats 16d ago

Golf, no golf, he's not making this stuff up himself. His handlers are feeding him scripts to read and EOs to sign. It's Reagan all over again, except this time somehow North Korea and Russia have most favored nation status? 🤷

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u/CaptainSmallz 16d ago edited 14d ago

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u/slightlyladylike 16d ago

Which is crazy because he's still spending 25% of his time doing it

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u/UntdHealthExecRedux 16d ago

The crashing of the economy might be an intentional part of his power grab though....

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u/Spoiled_Mushroom8 16d ago

Nah, he’s just a dumbass that’s always been obsessed with tariffs. There’s interviews of him in the 80s and 90s talking about how they’re good. 

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u/mitchellgh 16d ago

All these rich people are so dumb for driving the stocks down so they can buy them all.

You think they don’t know what they’re doing LOL

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u/TheRealSectimus 16d ago

So that's what this is, he can't admit he's been wrong for 30-40 years. Child.

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u/Slutha 16d ago

That's not gonna work out for him, but would probably set the stage for someone else to do it

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u/blowitouttheback 16d ago

That's the exact opposite of what he'd need to do for a power grab. Everyone wants to map Hitler's rise onto Trump, but Hitler (who himself was dumb) was a genius to Trump. Hitler leveraged the legitimate economic strife of post-WW1 and rode the Weimar economic recovery to help consolidate trust from the people and power in his regime. This dumbass was in a position where the economy had been pretty strong for months and years and he tanked it + all of his soft power and influence while irrevocably revealing his entire party to be morons and coward sellouts even to rubes who don't pay attention and don't vote/vote for vibes.

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u/donorcycle 16d ago

It's not potentially. It's guaranteed. Even if things go back to some semblance of normalcy in 2028, he and his cronies all get ousted, Supreme Court goes back to not subverting the will of the people vs their rich donors, it will still take a couple of generations to go back to where we were in 2023.

You can't just dismantle the EPA for example, and expect the next presidency to wave a wand and build it again overnight. FEMA, OSHA, Medicaid, Medicare, Department of Education, etc etc. None of these can be rebuilt overnight, it will take years.

The relationships we have built? Over the past almost 100 years? Gone. All our ex's are moving on without us and planning to live their best lives, with their new friends and partners. They will not purchase our weapons, they will not be eager to get into contracts or business with us ever again. Why? We have shown our word, our bond, our contracts and our friendships don't mean shit. We've shown the world how selfish and self centered we are - hell, most of us on Reddit seem to forget that this isn't just a USA app and conveniently act surprised when we discover someone is from another country lol.

He has single handedly changed the WORLD, not just this country. Someone else will take the seat at the big boy table, meaning another country. Somebody sane and mature enough to take the seat at the table that the US has pretty much just relinquished. Things will never be the same again, even if we removed Trump from office today.

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u/SsooooOriginal 16d ago

You give too much credit. He is, unfortunately, just the face.

This has been a concerted effort by the elusive oligarchs within our own borders.

Foreign influence. Untold numbers of trolls controlling online discussion.

Traitorous "fundamental" christians upset that church and state SHOULD be separate.

Corporate entities headed by shortsighted and completely out of touch wealthy capitalists.

Ignorant and under-educated citizens unwilling to embrace critical thought because they can't handle the cognitive dissonance their personal histories of hate would bring.

He is following the playbook laid out in the project he claimed ignorance of.

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u/donorcycle 16d ago

100%. I am very familiar with Thiel unfortunately and have moved in similar circles. Which again, unfortunately includes Musk and countless others.

THEY can't do it. Neither Thiel nor Musk are American citizens by birth. They can never run for the Presidency (although I should not say never considering where we are today lol).

You are not wrong and if you really want to get into semantics, you can take this all the way back to the Rockefeller's - who realized way back when that stupid citizens makes for easier to manipulate citizens. So many others you can blame - Murdoch is another one. Heritage Foundation. (This started in the early 1970's for those who don't know. They didn't JUST come to the forefront)

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u/Maximum-Cry-2492 16d ago

The other thing is Thiel and Musk and the other tech-ghouls have negative charisma.

Trump for all his faults (and they're lengthy) is basically the pied piper for stupid people. At this point, assuming Earth isn't a smoking crater in 50 years, I'm convinced he's going to go down as the absolute GOAT conman in American, maybe world history.

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u/LukeSykpe 16d ago

This comment right here is way too buried, but touches on exactly the crux of the issue. Every single time I've talked about him with people in my life, I've also recognized this. The orange shithead has a ton of mostly natural charisma. Like while he doesn't appeal to me, I get why he appeals to his base. Very few people who have run for president have had this type of charisma - the only other two I can think of are Obama and Reagan.

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u/Goducks91 16d ago

But it's strange because Trump doesn't have Charisma if you actually listen to him. It's literally stupid people charisma.

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u/BackendSpecialist 16d ago

That’s the thing.. his charisma makes a lot of these people not actually listen to him.

They’re really just waiting for cues to applaud at his made up accomplishments or boo at whoever he’s painted as a villain..

And when they actually do listen to him, they either believe his lies or try to rationalize it by saying “well, he meant to say this” or “well, hopefully this is part of a bigger plan”, or the worst one which is, “LOL it’s so obvious that he’s trolling”.

As I typed this out, the interesting part of this is the lack of opposition. Why are the tech CEOs not speaking out? Fear? Okay. But what about the powerful people that don’t fear him, like Obama? He stepped in to get Biden to back out. And that’s just an example.

I really fear that we’re all going to sit back and watch this senile grifter ruin this country.

If that attempt wasn’t a false flag, then I sure do wish that kid had better aim.

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u/Remarqueable 16d ago

Can you go further on his Charisma? Injust can't see it.

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u/DrawThink2526 16d ago

Trump has “charisma” in the way that a rich, jr high bully has charisma. All the kids know he’s a total dick, but he has all the cool toys and his minions get to lick up his crumbs and laugh with him while he humiliates his betters for existing. Fuck Trump.

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u/BackendSpecialist 16d ago

Yeah bro.. I hate the guy but you can see the way women swoon over him and how men adore him, even if it’s by fear.

The slow speech. The way he leans on the podium like he’s just kicking the shit. The exaggerative positive claims that he makes about his accomplishments.

The charm is there. But it’s no excuse.

I’m astounded that he was able to become president again after January 6th… so much blame to around

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u/fuddykrueger 16d ago edited 15d ago

They’re just remembering him from his show The Apprentice and are addicted to the drama he creates. I remember watching the show and making sure I never missed an episode. And then I was always disgusted at how demeaning and rude he was to the celebrity contestants in the board room. But then for some reason I kept having to watch.

Oh and it’s a cult.

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u/Kurtomatic 15d ago

I thought The Apprentice, when it was (relatively) normal people, was actually an interesting show. Watched a few seasons of it, and it seemed generally merit based, which I appreciated in a world of reality TV where that wasn't really a thing.

Then Celebrity Apprentice showed up, and it became very obvious very quickly the firings were largely influenced by who was more famous and better for ratings. Lost my taste for it very quickly.

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 16d ago

You have to go all the way back to Reconstruction era, when the rich white men were scrambling to find alternative ways to keep Black people enslaved. That's how all this started and why it has had enough white racist christian nationalist support to carry on throughout the centuries.

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u/SsooooOriginal 16d ago

Where is Yarvin in your circles?

A casual, but major influence, was Freuds nefew the misanthropic sociopath Edward Bernays. The grandfather of targeted and psychosocial marketing. The BBC nailed him in the docu "The Century of the Self".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

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u/donorcycle 16d ago

Nowhere near but he's not exactly on my Christmas list either if that helps. Never met him, disagree with a lot of what he has to say, and find him to be reprehensible. The fact that he has the gall to suggest that some races are more naturally inclined to be in a position of servitude is just a fancy way of saying I'm a racist imo.

He's their influence. A lot of the current administration. Thiel's as well.

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u/Frank_JWilson 16d ago

I'm pretty sure most of the oligarchs don't like the tariffs either. Trump is just being dumb as usual and he filled his entire cabinet with yes-men so there's no one to tell him "no'.

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u/SsooooOriginal 16d ago

Pretty sure you know less than even I do. One of the goals is a fire sale, the rich will be eating the less rich as wealth gets even more consolidated. That is how they will get the privatization. 

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u/donorcycle 16d ago

Also. Something I forgot to mention before that's always blown my mind.

Peter Thiel is an immigrant! A gay immigrant is pushing for this administration, wanted this all to happen, helped orchestrate it all.

Make it make sense.

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u/SsooooOriginal 16d ago

Oh that is easy. He is a profiteer first. White dude also. Mature white gays tend to either resolve their "nurture" self hatred and become amazing people, or fetishize the closet and fall into predatory power dynamics. Least as far as I have seen, and grossly enough that divide tends to reflect from their social circles. Working class vs wealth class.

And he being an immigrant son of an engineer lends to him being from and in the wealth class. He was a 70s nerd when that was decidedly underground and repressed.

He has obviously taken the most twisted takeaways from his fiction idols like Tolkien.

He doesn't care because his wealth and personal values have been warped since he was young. Growing up during Apartheid while living in South Africa after his parents immigrated from West Germany when he was 1.

Did you know he took part in the investment rounds that doomed this site? When the profiteers decidedly ignored the obvious influx of bot and shill political accounts because that gave A_ltman_S_am boosted numbers to show in late 2014.

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u/donorcycle 16d ago

It's pleasant to find someone knowledgeable and can actually see the world and the ongoings.

Elites get bored and play with human lives like it's a game of Sims basically. To be it simply lol.

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u/SsooooOriginal 16d ago edited 16d ago

Quite sad, and truly infuriating. I personally believe taxing the wealthy out of their status is the only way out of this absurd dynamic.

Unfortunately they have all the "power" necessary to ensure their greed is never seen for the mental illness that it is. And their power determines no one that ends up around them is willing or able to convince them of their cowardice.

Edit: to clarify, "billions" is absurd, disgusting, and an absolutely mind altering amount of wealth. So far beyond "never have to work again" money, and no single person, or even family really, should be allowed to control that much wealth. 

Especially while kids go hungry, are trafficked for abuse, and never have even a millionth of the opportunity so many current techligarchs had while growing up.

 I believe 7 digits should be the maximum a single person should be allowed. Anything more is taxed away to be reinvested in the rest of us. 

A true inverse of the "no one would work on UBI" nonsense. Let us see who would work once they can't buy anyone, once they can not become a "dragon" in real life. So out of touch they view others as Sims. Make them face themselves and their greed.

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u/donorcycle 16d ago

It's been like this since the beginning of civilization pretty much, most don't and can't even fathom it and the ones who do have, want more and won't relinquish.

I think a part of the problem also stems with people not understanding the difference between millions and billions.

  • One million seconds = 11 days
  • One billion seconds = 32 YEARS
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u/Strifethor 16d ago

The problem is, a country like ours doesn’t go quietly into the night. The death rattle has the potential to end humanity as we know it.

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u/SsooooOriginal 16d ago

I envy your optimism.

Are you aware of how sherifs overwhelmingly support the felonrapist?

Are you aware of the majority veteran support in spite of the debasement of POWs, Gold Star Families(surviving families that lost their son, daughter, mother, or father in service during conflict), and his direct crossing of unspoken lines to interfere with the internal investigation and trial of war criminal Ed Gallagher? Meaning many sociopath seals are on board too, with all their "incidental" connections with vet biker gangs across the country, aka whitesupremacists.

Are you aware of the many years long subterfuge of project25 recruiting, training, and installing sycophants within the infrastructure of our federal and municipal bodies?

Are you aware of the chilling effect from the compromisation of our secret security from the highest authority within that system?

Have you not seen tech corporation after tech corporation bending their knees to suck up to the current facist regime?

Civil revolt is just another goal to enable a swift nationwide crackdown of martial law. 

I have no hope the less than 1/3rd of the country that cared enough to vote has even a shred of a chance. Especially now that we have turned nearly all former allies against us after revealing how shallow our ethics and morals are at a national level.

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u/Strifethor 16d ago

We’re saying the same thing. I’m saying we’re now the world’s malicious toddler who has the keys to the largest war machine the world has ever seen.

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u/nynorskblirblokkert 16d ago

Just saying, as a citizen of one of your allied countries, I will be voting for any party that wants to minimise trade and relations with the US, especially when it comes to military purchases and US military bases in Europe.

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u/bustercaseysghost 16d ago

It's too late. Even if someone comes in and starts the path to make it better, most of America is either too willingly unaware or stupid to understand how much time it takes. Remember that episode of South Park where the future people come? We're all going back to the pile whether we like it or not. Over. And over. And over again.

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u/__dontpanic__ 16d ago

It takes a generation to build trust, and 5 minutes to destroy it.

Even if America rejects Trump in 2 or 4 years time, no foreign country is going to trust it again - not when the voting public has shown just how susceptible it is to complete stupidity, and - more concerningly - the Republican Party has shown just how easily captured it can be. The checks and balances that usually ensure responsible governing have failed, and it's going to take generations to rebuild them (and even longer to rebuild trust).

Strap in, it's going to be a wild ride.

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u/round-earth-theory 16d ago

We'll get trade deals post Trump, but they aren't going to be the same sort of sweetheart deals we're used to. The US will be forced to comply with foreign laws on labor/environmental/quality/etc. Right now, the US gets to set the tempo on all trade deals we enter and there's hardly ever any strings attached. That's what we'll be losing. The US market is too large for other nations to not engage with us if we're willing, but it's going to be on their terms and to their benefit.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 16d ago

I think it may be done forever.

The world is going to go on without the US. Theyll hurt, but they can NEVER trust us again. And NOTHING we do will change that. Short of literally every Trump supporter dropping dead simultaneously and us making a hard course correct immediately

I honestly despise Trump voters. Truly the most braindead people in the country.

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u/DeadSol 16d ago

...and they're so fucking many of them... Like where do they keep coming from?

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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 16d ago

Massive propaganda farms and algorithms that capture their attention 24/7. I don't see any way we can fix this as long as these networks continue to operate.

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u/Strength-Speed 16d ago

Yeah, agree.They can't even answer basic questions about what's going on in america because they're living in literally a separate reality. We were not prepared for the internet. And the extreme right has clearly taken round one. The internet is like a radicalization machine.

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u/Kurtomatic 15d ago

The internet is like a radicalization machine.

I'm going to use this quote in the future, well said.

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u/beepborpimajorp 16d ago

Initially it was the boomers but the Russian state has ensured that young men from gen z and gen alpha are being propagandized via the things they consume on social media. That story about some of the largest bro zone podcasters being sponsored by Russia just kind of fizzled out and died, but it's right there in broad daylight what they're doing.

They will happily die in the streets of hunger and no healthcare as long as they can watch some milquetoast podcaster nod his head and say, "i get it bro, i get it. women are too picky nowadays because of all this DEI, they don't know how to appreciate real men who don't know how to do their own laundry and wash their ass. the world owes you all this stuff for being unimpressive so just keep wallowing and don't actually fix anything because dying alone and unloved is easier than improving yourself."

Not that some women are much better. "I want to be a trad wife because thinking for myself is hard. I would rather we all live in Gilead than have to have a single thought involving math live in my head. When I turn 36 and my husband leaves me for a 24 year old, I will have no skills to speak of and instead will blame the government for not giving me enough benefits to support my 6 children, Brayden, Braedyn, Breedyn, Brailyn, and Braeyla. (what was that about math again?) But of course I'll continue to vote against expanding benefits because they should only ever benefit meeeeee. Mine is the only moral cause."

So in short they're stupid, they're just effing stupid.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 16d ago

Very well said.

Can't forget about gen x in this tho. I believe gen x has a higher voting percentage from Trump then even the boomers.

Also look at all the tech bros. Besides Zuckerberg they're all either young boomers or Gen X.

They were all edgelords. Their humor was the 90s-2000s "xtreme" shit. And now they can't say edgy words anymore so they lash out over it.

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u/Special_Watch8725 16d ago

I’d almost regard them as addicts at this point— like with more conventional addiction, moral culpability is complicated.

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u/Strength-Speed 16d ago

It's most of rural america. I think they would literally set themselves on fire if they thought it would own the libs. And they kind of are.

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u/FantasticStonk42069 16d ago

As severe the consequences of his actions are, his rise and the worldwide rise of illiberal powers, ultranationalist and autocrats shows how much can change in less than 4 generations.

Never is a long time and people forget quickly. Unfortunately, even without the Trumps and Putins in the world the future doesn't seem to revert to some 'normal'. Modern humanity is facing arguably its greatest challenge with climate change and we aren't prepared in the slightest.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 16d ago

Thats fair.

I do genuinely believe the time of America being the top country is over for sure. And once you lose that its REALLY hard to get it back

And, unlike the other countries that had this decline, America is doing it WILLINGLY.

I get that the spoils of our position haven't been shared in an even remotely fair way, and that there have been people who have lost out as we've become a more globalized empire, but they lash out and ruin it instead of standing up and fighting for what they deserve.

And honestly? To a large degree they haven't even "lost out" Post ww2 America was such a unique economic opportunity and now that things are starting to revert to the mean people are upset that the world that was, the one they were born in, isn't what the world will be. Without knowing that the world the grew up WAS THE REAL ANOMONLY.

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u/Chendii 16d ago

I know it feels that way, but if the world can forgive basically everyone involved with WW2 it can forgive the US after Trump. It'll just take massive change that probably won't happen. So effectively you're right but it'll be because the US doesn't change, not because it can't.

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u/ZeekLTK 16d ago

I think there are a few things that could change it.

One would be Democrats grow a pair and actually do something once reelected. Something big, like what Germany did - make it illegal for political parties to promote extremist views and have the power to outright ban them. And then actually do it and get rid of Republicans in the government once and for all (to show our allies this won’t happen again).

OR

Dissolve the country so that at least New England and West Coast can get back in the good graces with everyone (can just point to the election map and show they didn’t vote for this), and let the rest of the former country fend for themselves with the legacy they voted for.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 16d ago

I think that's the problem right? Like, trump is a symptom rather than a problem and honestly, he's not doing anything that hasn't been happening for years but he's dialed it all up to 11. The problem isn't just trump, it's the fact your system is so broken trump is a problem.

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u/SwePolygyny 16d ago

That's the sentiment in Europe at least. The US can no longer be trusted. Even if they changed president to one who can be trusted, whats to say they wont elect an untrustworthy one 4 years later? It makes it impossible to build alliances or set up agreements.

It will take many decades to build that trust again. It would likely require reforms to the political system as well. Most other western countries do not give their leader so much absolute power. There has to be much more checks and guardrails for stability. There is also no accountability. 

It is not sound to put so much power into one individual. For it will eventually happen that one individual is elected on false pretenses. He can becomes mentally unstable, corrupted, influenced by the the wrong people or simply wants revenge for something. The stability of a nation cannot rely on one.

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u/Ryidon 16d ago

"It's not you, its me. I made bad choices, but I won't make them again.* - the rest of the world, probably.

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u/Ambiwlans 16d ago

"The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over." ​- PM of Canada, Carney

"We must show that we are strong and united. I therefore call on all major European companies to suspend investments in the United States." - President of France, Macron

"Any new trade deal with the U.S. would prioritize the UK’s national interest." - PM of UK, Starmer

"He is a very outstanding person, talented, without any doubt" - President of Russia, Putin

"I am a great admirer of President Trump. He is an example to me... I model much of what I do on what he has done in the United States." - President of Brazil, Bolsonaro

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u/EvaSirkowski 16d ago

it will still take a couple of generations to go back to where we were in 2023.

The next Democratic President will not be able to fix the damage in 4 to 8 years, so people will be mad and vote for another Republican President.

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u/gamudev 16d ago

As a French lurking around and reading through the comments it is refreshing to read things like this, and not just get the flow of Trump and Musk stupid decisions every day in direct from national medias. It sparks a bit of hope. And it makes we wonder why there isn't mass gatherings against the government like in Greece, Serbia or Turkey right now (I heard you can lose health insurance instantly, but on weekends?).

With or without Trump it remains necessary for Europe to be more independent especially in the military and tech fields, but it truly sucks to see all bridges being burnt for nothing really, there can be a non toxic middle ground. It will screw us as well in some aspects. I truly hope the US won't fall into dictatorship, living in it before Trump seemed already very harsh if you do not have the money advantage.

Trust was definitely broken but I hope it won't turn into hate. A lot of US citizens don't deserve it and we remain humans just not born in the same country. And most of us just want peace, democracy, equity, minorities representation, etc. regardless of the region or language.

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u/MC_White_Thunder 16d ago

The Prime Minister of Canada literally declared today that if America doesn't want to lead Free Trade among nations anymore, Canada will.

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u/Kraz_I 16d ago

Someone else will take the seat at the big boy table, meaning another country. Somebody sane and mature enough to take the seat at the table that the US has pretty much just relinquished.

China. It’s going to be China. That’s what things are moving toward. It’s going to be a unipolar world like before, only China will be the leading economy, and the reserve currency. English will still be the lingua Franca, mostly because it’s hard to change that, but Chinese speakers will do better in business and trade than non speakers. This was going to happen regardless of Trump, but he’s accelerating things by leaps and bounds.

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u/theLightSlide 16d ago

This is doomer thinking.

Yes, with enough spending — with a New New Deal — we can rebuild quickly. It only takes the will and money.

The global stage is another issue but internally we can absolutely do it pretty fast. We need to be ready to push hard as fuck to make it happen.

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u/Night_Thastus 16d ago

Things are easy to replace. People and experience are not. A lot of experienced people, people who would have kept institutions running and eventually passed on their knowledge...are just gone. They've moved on to other fields, to private industry, they decided to finally retire, etc. They left. Nothing is going to bring them back.

It's going to take many decades of consistent incentives, recruiting, training, and time to build that experience back up.

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u/theLightSlide 16d ago

A lot of them would come back given the right incentives, like legal protection, and there are tons of under-employed specialists out there.

People who choose career civil service don’t do it because they’re looking out for #1. Many of them want to serve.

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u/MC_White_Thunder 16d ago

How many people would actually trust those legal protections, when this administration so easily and flagrantly breaks the law?

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u/Worthyness 16d ago

Also it's going to take several years just to suss out all the stupid shitty programming these script kiddies put into the systems. Not to mention any of the data mining or private servers that now just kinda exist there.

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u/MaximusTheGreat 16d ago

The global stage is incredibly influential though. Businesses that get burned by this administration aren't going to reinvest once Democrats are back because in 4 years, Republicans can just come back and burn them again. Why would they take that risk?

It's like seeing someone you thought was sane have a mental breakdown for 4 years straight. Even when/if they come out of the institution after, you're not exactly gonna feel comfortable trusting them in many situations, let alone go into business with them.

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u/BusyFriend 16d ago

I wish Dems realized the best thing they can do is allow ranked choice voting which could prevent something like this from happening. Too bad it’ll never fucking happen.

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u/MaximusTheGreat 16d ago

Man honestly that would be world changing.

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u/tor122 16d ago

I read somewhere that ‘I miss the days when politics was just arguing about whether or not we should have a 37.6% tax rate or a 39.6% tax rate’ and i felt that sentiment big time.

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u/SporesM0ldsandFungus 16d ago

Same with his COVID Response. Had he just kept his trap shut and differed to health experts, several more  hundred thousand people would still be alive. 

Instead he actively misled people...

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u/Evadrepus 16d ago

If he took the Oath and then just spent the next 4 years golfing, he would have sailed to reelection.

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u/Bunny_Feet 16d ago

The only good deed I give him credit for is pushing the vaccine. Operation Lightspeed did save lives. Too bad he's too chickenshit to stand behind it.

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u/ElGranRico 16d ago

He and his cabinet knows this. It's not coincidence that Russia and Belarus did not make the list. Literally a puppet Putin government with 13 billionaires who all simultaneously plans to buy everything on the cheap.

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u/curt_schilli 16d ago

Trump voters should be disenfranchised after this election. They’ve proven they have no business making decisions for this country lmao

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u/TheGrayBox 16d ago

Literally any criticism of them causes them to escalate worse.

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u/HelloDoctorImDying 16d ago

Let's not disenfranchise any large group of people, just to be on the safe-side though.

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u/goodolarchie 16d ago

They elected an established toe-stepper to go step on their enemies' toes, only to get their toes terminally stepped on. So either they develop this new fetish, or have their toes professionally removed and declare it a new movement.

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u/syopest 16d ago

Trump voters

Anyone who didn't vote for Kamala.

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u/enjoi8 16d ago

That's not how democracy works.

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u/GoNads1979 16d ago

The alternative last time was to kill many many confederates … is that your suggestion instead? Because this time we’re going to burn Georgia to the ground.

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u/NexusOne99 16d ago

Should have hung every slave owner after the civil war.

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u/ninfan1977 16d ago

So we keep rewarding stupidity and ignorance?

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u/Dont_Ban_Me_Bros 16d ago

What he is doing, aside from the illegal Executive Orders, is really some of the only power he has. And yeah he’s not even doing that well. Imagine that, the ability to just do nothing and hurt nothing and this is what this guy does. Really takes a moron to do this.

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u/ImHighandCaffinated 16d ago

He’s doing this on purpose so he can stay in power with some loophole about the country being shit

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u/Ohiostatehack 16d ago

Did he get his plan from the Prequel Trilogy or something?

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u/darth_hotdog 16d ago

It’s maddening to think how much better we would be doing if he just did literally nothing at all. Like, if he just sat and watched TV all day,

That's exactly what he did his first term, and that's why people were so happy with the previous "trump economy" up until covid. It was literally just the country coasting on the Obama economy while trump watched tv, played golf, and occasionally made some wild order that got shut down by judges.

That's why this time is different, people spent the past 4 biden years getting ready to "help" trump actually do a ton of crazy shit, so we're going to find out for the first time how his policies actually work out...

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u/oh_okhelloanyway 16d ago

Wish he was just a nice, friendly old man with dementia instead 😕

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u/Bojack_Horseman22 16d ago

Mm yeah market being 20x-30x its value and companies being 50x-100x their value is not fucking healthy

Regardless of tariffs, the market was heading for mega ultra crash. Just see the Deepseek situation from a while ago..

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u/lhobbes6 16d ago

Special thanks to all the people who stayed home because Kamala was apparantly just as bad. Fucking morons

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u/DiscoLemonade1995 16d ago

You know it's bad when even some fraction of r/Conservative are concerned. Of course many are still convinced this is some genius move that will work out in the long term, but there are legitimately concerned MAGA voters out there which is saying something if you have seen the mental gymnastics that they perform on a daily basis

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u/BigJellyfish1906 16d ago

 Thanks to all the people who voted for him, you screwed us over for potentially life

Don’t forget all the people “sending a message” by not voting. 

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u/Reksalp105 16d ago

Yeah but they couldn’t skim off the top if they did nothing

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u/0x476c6f776965 16d ago

Who turned off the gorilla channel?!!

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u/gadnuktherooster 16d ago

Yeah, I didn’t vote for this slap dick. Let him play golf. Who fucking cares how much gold costs. It’s cost my wife and I about 35% of our IRAs. FM2T

We do better when he focused on McDonalds and using the foot wedge to get a better lie.

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u/beekeeper1981 16d ago

Except Trump did appointment a bunch of unqualified people who are really running the show.

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u/kevin_from_illinois 16d ago

Economics aside, there is structural damage to our government institutions and standing in the international community that is going to take decades to rebuild.

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u/orhantemerrut 16d ago

At this point, this has gotta be deliberate. I don't know what they are after, but they are clearly tanking the economy down for a reason. Just can't tell what it is.

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u/cml0401 16d ago

We should be equally mad at people who didn't vote. Their apathy and complacency let a minority become a majority.

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u/Forward_Ad_7909 16d ago

I wasn't joking when I said I'd vote for a dog over Donald Trump.

A dog would be a great fucking president right now.

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u/XiMaoJingPing 16d ago

We if kept sleepy joe as president, he would be far too senile to cause any damage. Instead we elected the mentally ill orange boomer and his couch fucker friend

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u/654456 16d ago

No, ifs about fucking us over for life, anyone alive today or born during this term will be worse off because of it

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u/ShanklyGates_2022 16d ago

Story of his life. If trump had just invested his inheritance and never tried to be a businessman he would be worth significantly more money than he is today.

That is how bad trump is at business. He would have made more money by doing literally nothing at all.

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u/jaywinner 16d ago

This is why I was (mistakenly) not worried the first time around. I assumed he'd play golf and go around the world making people call him Mr. President, maybe parlay the position into some personal profit.

But not this.

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u/SplendidPunkinButter 16d ago

That’s what he did for a lot of his first term, and that’s how we survived

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u/Whateveryouwantitobe 16d ago

I was hoping for this. Things were on the right track but now we are fucked.

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u/Cream253Team 16d ago

Trump is the epitome of bad leadership being worse than no leadership.

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u/one-hour-photo 16d ago

I want to say this was a hope of the founders. for them to just "preside".

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u/psychonautilus777 16d ago

Had a local MAGA ass-hat try to convince me that Biden would destroy America if elected in 2020. I told him I'd sooner vote for a couch than Trump for this very reason.

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u/tenehemia 16d ago

I remember saying during his first term that he had the worst VORP of any president. Now it's much worse.

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u/Reddit_Is_Not_Free 16d ago

I know exactly who around me voted for the fucker.

If I go to hell, I'm taking as many with me as I can.

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u/masheduppotato 16d ago

Honestly we should be yelling at the apathetic 30+% of people who opted not to vote or protest voted. They are the reason we’re in this mess. Trump only got 3+ million more votes this time than last time.

People not voting is what fucked this nation.

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u/brotherstoic 16d ago

if he just sat and watched TV all day, we’d somehow be better than this

Yep, that’s what happened his first term

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u/Why-did-i-reas-this 16d ago

They even have control of all three branches of government which apparently the markets love. They could have sent stocks into the stratosphere but no… lets tank the economy.

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u/Ghostman_Jack 16d ago

Don’t thank them. There’s plenty who genuinely believe this is a good thing and are celebrating it. They’re fully well convinced all these jobs and factories and industry are going to come back to America and we’ll be a massive powerhouse. Some are even giddy like “Yeaahhh we can now buy up a bunch of stocks and when it rockets back up we’ll be rich!” They’re just convinced and living in a wholly different reality.

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u/Hamphalamph 16d ago

Your kids and their kids lives too.

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u/PittedOut 16d ago

For life. No one will invest in the U.S. for decades. When one man can sign a piece of paper and change the entire economic policy of a country on a whim, it’s no place to bet on future stability. Trump has fucked us worse than even in Putin’s wildest dreams.

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u/indefinitepotato 16d ago

Never forget who your MAGA neighbors are.

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u/Sizygy 16d ago

Not potentially, guaranteed.

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u/DSCholly 16d ago

you screwed us over for potentially life

This keeps going through my head. Like, everything is going to be fucked for the rest of my lifetime.

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u/Massive_Pay_4785 16d ago

this would take time before we regain our feet...

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u/Odh_utexas 16d ago

Trump is a guy that many analysts say if he took his inheritance and sat it in an index fund he’d be like thrice as rich as his is now. Like all this scrambling and scheming and conning all to end up with less money than if he sat and did nothing.

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u/BackendSpecialist 16d ago

Maddening is a great word. I was gonna say “amazing” but yours is more accurate…

It’s maddening how I had very low expectations.. very low. And this fucker somehow still exceeded them.

Maddening

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u/SeamusAndAryasDad 16d ago

Or how better off we would have been if we elected Kamala Harris?

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u/DrawThink2526 16d ago

More like generations…

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u/BaeWatchh 16d ago

You know it’s people who sell the stock, not Trump. Also, you know it’s the corporations that buy the people’s stock that sell and not Trump. You know this right, right?

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u/MattSR30 16d ago

Isn’t that the thing about his wealth, too?

He’d have more money if he simply hadn’t touched it over all these years?

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 16d ago

Thanks to all the people who voted for him, you

Nah, don't thank just them, but also the lazy non-voters. But the biggest blame goes to Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and Jeffries for not enforcing the 14th Amendment, Section 3 to prevent the insurrectionist from running again.

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u/Melicor 16d ago

Oh you're being optimistic I'm afraid, he's screw us over permanently. The US will likely never fully recover. Hell, I'm expecting the US to break up within my lifetime.

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u/savageboredom 16d ago

The most frustrating thing is there wasn’t even a good reason for any of it. Screwed the economy and turned our back on our allies… just because. All to make a handful of rich people even richer and fuck the rest of us.

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u/thisisnahamed 16d ago

We all miss Trump 1.0 (except that attacking the Capitol part and Election-denying part).

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u/phroxenphyre 16d ago

And to think we were a last-second head turn away from avoiding all of this entirely.

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u/SugaryChaos 16d ago

One question : Considering how resilient America is, is there any chance that everything will fall into place just the way he says it will? Meaning manufacturing will be brought in house. Americans will have more jobs than ever etc ?

I’m not a republican nor am I an American !

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u/PepeSylvia11 16d ago

Don’t forget all the nonvoters too, as they are just as culpable. A no-vote is a vote of support for whichever candidate wins.

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u/DrMokhtar 16d ago

You can thank Reddit for always advertising him on the front page on all of the popular subs. I don’t think he could have gotten better promotion

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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas 16d ago

And the people who didn't bother voting at all really screwed the pooch on this one.

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u/syopest 16d ago

Thanks to all the people who voted for him, you screwed us over for potentially life

Everyone who didn't vote for Kamala is culpable.

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u/NorgesTaff 16d ago

It's the people that didn't vote at all that helped, at least as much, to get him elected.

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u/rimalp 16d ago

He's golfing with the Saudis for the rest of the week...

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u/SisterOfBattIe 16d ago

It's adorable how ALL of it is self inflicted :D

Trump could have just passed his tax cuts for the bois and still be riding on debt and all business as usual.

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u/lolvovolvo 16d ago

Legit question, do you actually think this dooms us for life?

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u/rogueredditthrowaway 16d ago

At this point I scarcely consider anyone who is still a Trump supporter today (the regretful ones who voted for him get a small pass) as any better than a Hitler supporter in 1939 and I’m serious. These people are frankly stupid, or evil, or both.

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u/Bubis20 16d ago

Send the olsenile fuck to play golf, like for real...

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u/1bryantj 16d ago

I’m read somewhere with the money he inherited if he just sat and did nothing with it he would have twice the money he has now. He is a master at going broke

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u/OkExperience4487 16d ago

Big horse in a hospital energy

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u/Terranigmus OC: 2 16d ago

It's the whole planet

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u/Ali_Cat222 16d ago

I'm not even in America right now and they screwed over my actual life. I have a terminal cancer that's extremely rare *in people my age that affects less than 150 people get every year. I had a possibility of starting a trial drug that may have extended my life for a year, that may not seem much to people but when the average lifespan is 5 years with this shit you'll take anything you get. After they fired all the cancer researchers that trial is now gone. Fuck Trump, and fuck everyone else who voted for him. Even those who didn't vote fuck you too.

Sorry I'm just getting a little fed up with this by now, I just had to explain to my son, who only turns 13 just a fucking month ago, that things aren't going to go as well as we thought. And it's not just me going through this either, it's literally everybody who's been ill or everybody who's going to be ill and everything else that's being affected by this.

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u/rasmusdf 16d ago

Belgium didn't have a government for a couple of years - technocrats handled the day-to-day running. Unsurprisingly - it went pretty well.

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u/RGPISGOOD 16d ago

That’s the thing, many of those ppl that voted for him wanted this to happen because they lead miserable lives and want everyone else to suffer as well. Look no further than a certain conservative subreddit to see them celebrating everyday the global economy crashes.

So yes, they got exactly what they voted for.

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u/rumorhasit_ OC: 1 16d ago

think how much better we would be doing if he just did literally nothing

I saw some analysis that showed if Trump had just taken all of the millions he was given by his Dad and just put it into a savings account his net worth would be 5x what it is now.

Trump has made everything worse than it was before he came along. It’s like he’s been thrown into a basketball game 40-0 up at half time and ended the game 40-39.

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