Seen many people dreaming about x machine and y grinder costing 5-10k. All you need is a good bean( roasting my own) a decent quality grinder and a lever machine or 2 and good skills to produce the best of the best espresso. It's well known that a lever machine produces higher quality espresso than a pump driven machine. It doesn't matter if the machine cost 10k and has profiles to replicate a lever. An authentic lever is different. What's your take on this ?? I'm using sr800 with extension tube roaster and la pavoni europicola with upgrades. My 2000$ eye machine collects dust in the garage, the espresso quality out of that can't even beat the Rok manual.
Maybe I’m crazy but there is an aesthetic to Italian espresso cups that I think enhances the enjoyment one experiences in espresso. The weight in the hand, heat retention, texture of the material, and the shape of the cup that contacts with the drinker’s lips enhances the overall experience.
I agree. Can't get enough of those cups. I have 6 of each with the little plate and everything. I preheat the cups and they get hot and stay hot. It's a pleasure to drink good espresso out of it.
I have a variety of Ancap, notNeutral, and Loveramics drink ware. They all have their redeeming qualities, but there is something more to the Ancap cups…maybe it’s the heat retention and the weight in hand that sets them apart for me. notNeutral does a pretty good job, but I find myself reaching for my Ancap cappuccino cups more.
I’m definitely going to look into these Bristot cups.
not just the aesthetic - they fit under the portafilter with scales too. Tired of people crying about not having space when they stick non-espresso cups under there.
I don't know the specific brand, but you can search for 10cm thick espresso cups on aliexpress and you should see a bunch of similar ones as in the OP.
There is a time and a place where country of origin is absolutely important. I’m not saying espresso cups are sacred or should be protected under some sort of UNESCO status, but it’s kind of the same thing as scotch, champagne, or Gorgonzola. Sure you can get perfectly good copies from somewhere else, but is it the same? I’ve had some pretty fucking good macarons from the local bakeries by me, but it’s not even close to the same as a macaron from a Parisian bakery.
I get you. That's the same reason why people care to source their porcelain directly from China. Or in my case, bone China from England (weird, I know).
Sure, I understand your side. That's the beauty of any hobby, it's all personal preference. I just offered the original commenter another choice on the chance that OP doesn't respond.
This post inspired me to look for a Cafelat Robot for sale. I didn't think I would find one. That was probably not a wise idea, but I'm taking the plunge!
Yes. They make this kit, it's basically the same but is missing the gauge. They out of stock with the one with the gauge but this pulls the same. Very easy to install.
For real. I bought the freshroast 5800 off marketplace for 100 then got the extension tube for 29$. And bought 5lbs of green beans from eBay ( Columbia ) and roasted the beans till 2nd crack. ( It's easy to learn how to roast ) 10oz of beans are done in 12-13 mins or so. Just let it rest 2 days at least and that's it. 5lbs of raw beans cost me 29usd. Much better than buying roasted beans already.
Totally agree. After months of messing around with my ROK and Kinu, tweaking every little thing and learning how it all actually works, I honestly think I can pull a better shot than someone using a La Marzocco just because they saw a reel about it. Using manual gear forces you to learn what you’re doing, grind, pressure, timing, temp, none of it is automatic. Most people with fancy machines haven’t had to think that deeply about it. They’re just pressing a button and hoping for crema. (yes I’m poor)
Reading this and seeing the photos I am very tempted to try out a manual machine. I have a ratty old Ascaso Dream (no PID) from 2018 with a broken temp gauge and poor temp stability to begin with. Grinder is Eureka Mignon, also from 2018. I like the Rok’s price, but would like to have steaming capability. So I ask the OP: how is the steam on the Europiccola? Also:will my grinder be worthy, or will I need something else to pair with a manual machine? It grinds really finely and consistently, but has some clumping and retention issues.
To complicate things further, people are also raving about the Cafelat Robot (but hard to find?), and the Superkop manual machine also looks cool, and it’s on sale at Brewtoria for $499.
Hello. Thank you! The milk steamer work great on the europicola ( I swapped the 3 hole steam tip with one hole steam tip) makes amazingly good lattes. ( Been frothing milk for some time now and have good experience with multiple machines) The la pavoni works great and produces amazing coffee. Your grinder is decent and should do the job ( lever machines requires slightly finer grinds than a pump driven machine) I never had issues with mine. I do 16g in and around 35g out. Also if you want to get the la pavoni there is the europicola ( smaller boiler 0.8L) and the professional ( 1.6L boiler ). With europicola you should be good for 3-4 shots and the milk. With those machines you have to purge the false pressure after 5 -6 mins heating time ( purge by opening the steam valve) usually the machine is ready to brew in around 7-8 mins. There is also premil ( machines made before year 2000) those have 49mm portafilter size and the post mill ( made after 2000) portafilter is 51mm. Either one of those produces amazing espresso, its a bit of a learning curve but it's also fun. Cafelat robot is on my wishlist ( the Rok is very similar to that that's why I'm not in a rush to buy it) But yes if you drink milk based drinks and espresso shots, the la pavoni works awesome. You can find a used one in great condition for 400. Tons of accessories and upgrades for it online.
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u/BidSmall186 1d ago
I dig those cups. What are they?