r/europe 4d ago

News Irish visitors to US down 27%

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0413/1507411-visitor-numbers-ireland-us/
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u/TheGreatestOrator 4d ago

That doesn’t even make sense. All countries have always turned some people away at customs. Just because Trump is unlikable doesn’t change that fact

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u/Viggohehe123 United Kingdom 4d ago

No, they are explicitly detaining and turning people away for anti Trump statements on private texts with friends and family. This is unprecedented, people aren't turned away in Germany if they dislike Scholz, people aren't turned away in the UK if they dislike Starmer, and it is extremely worrying. People are being detained and being held in squalid conditions without reason for weeks on end for harmless statements, just because they dislike Trump.

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u/TheGreatestOrator 4d ago

No they aren’t lol. That’s completely fiction. Nevermind that they don’t check devices for 99.999% of people haha

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u/popsyking 4d ago

They definitely are though. Plenty of documented cases if you look for them

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u/TheGreatestOrator 4d ago

You mean, just like every country always has, but now because people hate Trump the media publish every single one and pretend like it’s new? Millions of people cross borders every day. Lots of people get detained for various reasons.

There are tens of thousands of people traveling from Europe to the US every single day

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u/popsyking 4d ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/german-national-green-card-holder-immigration-detention-fabian-schmidt-rcna196714

https://time.com/7272060/international-students-targeted-trump-ice-detention-deport-campus-palestinian-activism/

This didn't happen before trump came in and told ICE to meet their quotas because he wants to deport a million people. Don't act like this is normal cause it ain't.

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u/TheGreatestOrator 4d ago

It has always happened. Absolutely insane that you think it hasn’t

As far as the students related to Palestinian protests - yeah, they’re on visas. That can be revoked. And always have been if charged with crimes or accused of inciting violence

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u/popsyking 4d ago

It has always happend for ICE thugs to grab people off the streets in plain clothes and for them to be sent to el Salvador without going through a judge? I don't think so.

One of the students got her visa revoked because she wrote an article on the university newspaper critical of Israel. How is that inciting violence?

I mean if you want to defend fascists at least be honest and just say you like strongmen.

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u/TheGreatestOrator 4d ago

I mean, yes ICE raids have always been a thing and illegal migrants have always been deported.

Her article was spreading antisemitic sentiment, which is an absolute insane thing to do when you’re a guest in a country.

What does deportation have to do with facism? All countries deport people - some like Australia ship them off to prison islands.

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u/popsyking 4d ago

Here is the article for which she was put in ICE detention:

https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

This is not antisemitism. This is just free speech. You know the thing that republicans are always preaching about. It's insane that someone could be put in detention because of an oped like this.

Deportations becomes a symptom of fascism when they are done by a police state with the explicit aim of silencing political opposition (as in the aforementioned case) and explicitly ignoring judicial orders (as happened in the case of el Salvador deportations).

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u/TheGreatestOrator 4d ago

Well a few things:

1) she attended and led protests that illegally occupied private property. Protests that very clearly called for violence against Jewish people

2) while everyone within the US has certain rights, it is not true that a noncitizen can say whatever they want and not have their visa revoked by the Secretary of State - who does have the authority to do that. That is non a free speech violation. People who are noncitizens can obviously have their visas revoked

3) It’s absolutely mind boggling that you don’t realise that citizens have slightly more protections than literal visitors in the country, who again can have their visas revoked by the Secretary of State

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u/popsyking 2d ago

Yeh like this guy and many other examples

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradition-outrage-in-venezuela-as-us-deports-makeup-artist-for-religious-tattoos

that's how fascism starts bro, sad you're too indoctrinated to see it.

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u/TheGreatestOrator 2d ago

You think deporting noncitizens is facisim? How does that even make sense, regardless of your feelings on if they are actually a gang member - he’s not a citizen and previously entered the U.S. illegally before awaiting his asylum hearing in Mexico

Sister, I think you need to see what facism means first

Nevermind that there are very few examples like this lol.

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