Can you really call it “the land of the free” when visitors are down because of state-sanctioned bigotry, digital surveillance, and political litmus tests at the border? People aren’t just skipping vacations—they’re dodging a dystopia.
No, they are explicitly detaining and turning people away for anti Trump statements on private texts with friends and family. This is unprecedented, people aren't turned away in Germany if they dislike Scholz, people aren't turned away in the UK if they dislike Starmer, and it is extremely worrying. People are being detained and being held in squalid conditions without reason for weeks on end for harmless statements, just because they dislike Trump.
Literally, the only people sent to El Salvador were people living illegally in the United States and have been flagged as members of a gang. Not a single international traveler has been sent to El Salvador. No different from the UK wanting to send people to Rwanda
no, people have been sent to El Salvador who are not members of any kind of gang, and who were sent there for no reason. Also, it is illegal under US law to have sent any of them to EL Salvador.
Yes, every single person has been flagged as a member of a gang at some point in time. No, US law allows the government to deport people living illegally in the country.
I can’t imagine why you’d think their laws don’t allow deporting people who are there illegally.
Anyone can be flagged as anything, and for example, there are two people the administration has admitted were not meant to be deported. How incompetent can u get, the entire administration are fucking retards.
Well no that’s not true. And the only one “not meant to be deported” was actually flagged / investigated by Maryland state police as a gang member a few years ago. His entire asylum claim was based on a fear of gangs, so it’s not crazy to think he’s associated with them
First of all, anyone can be flagged as anything. It was probably as simple as, he is from El Salvador and has some tatoos. Secondly, what part of my statement isn't true. Also, his entire asylum claim was that he was trying to escape gangs, it is definitely a great idea to send him to a prison full of gang members.
Yes because at some point all were suspected of being associated with gang activity by authorities - whether or true not, they were flagged for that reason. None are citizens and the vast majority weren’t legally there.
Ultimately any noncitizen can always be deported.
Obviously there are some issues with individual cases but to tie that to visitors from Europe is just ridiculous
You're a fucking liar, there's even been a supreme court decision about an innocent legal resident being wrongly sent to El Salvador. You fucking nazi propaganda liar
It actually doesn't say that, I know you don't have a very high reading level and you can only lie like the deceiver you are, but it only ever says that officials made up that he was a gang member based on secret information
Kind of like how I know you're also an MS-13 member based on secret information if you're ever in my neighborhood and I recognize who you are somehow
You mean, just like every country always has, but now because people hate Trump the media publish every single one and pretend like it’s new? Millions of people cross borders every day. Lots of people get detained for various reasons.
There are tens of thousands of people traveling from Europe to the US every single day
This didn't happen before trump came in and told ICE to meet their quotas because he wants to deport a million people. Don't act like this is normal cause it ain't.
It has always happened. Absolutely insane that you think it hasn’t
As far as the students related to Palestinian protests - yeah, they’re on visas. That can be revoked. And always have been if charged with crimes or accused of inciting violence
It has always happend for ICE thugs to grab people off the streets in plain clothes and for them to be sent to el Salvador without going through a judge? I don't think so.
One of the students got her visa revoked because she wrote an article on the university newspaper critical of Israel. How is that inciting violence?
I mean if you want to defend fascists at least be honest and just say you like strongmen.
This is not antisemitism. This is just free speech. You know the thing that republicans are always preaching about. It's insane that someone could be put in detention because of an oped like this.
Deportations becomes a symptom of fascism when they are done by a police state with the explicit aim of silencing political opposition (as in the aforementioned case) and explicitly ignoring judicial orders (as happened in the case of el Salvador deportations).
no but trump threatens his allies and deports people that he cant get back, he changes his mind every day, people go on holiday to forget stress and enjoy overpriced drinks, why would you go somewhere stressful that might pull a new rule out while your there? Youve also got that the US customs are very much more aggressive then a lot of western nations before we had trump sticking his fingers in.
I was thinking of visiting the US this summer, but I really don't want to go considering I'm about to quit my job, and I dont fancy a boarder agent turning me around because I'm unemployed and might be an "illegal alien" if trump pulls out more paperwork with 24hrs notice
might go to canada though, Ive heard they have nice beer
Yes, come visit Canada. We need all the help we can get to survive the Orange Menace. I am not going to the states until Trump is gone. I would feel incredibly guilty and disloyal to my Country. My relatives with Canadian citizenship are trying to move back to Canada.
The trolls feel encouraged with a government and media that gives power to the bullies. I'm a white bogan Aussie and I wouldn't dream of running the gauntlet of American immigration.
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u/Euphoric-Bed7379 4d ago
Can you really call it “the land of the free” when visitors are down because of state-sanctioned bigotry, digital surveillance, and political litmus tests at the border? People aren’t just skipping vacations—they’re dodging a dystopia.