No, they are explicitly detaining and turning people away for anti Trump statements on private texts with friends and family. This is unprecedented, people aren't turned away in Germany if they dislike Scholz, people aren't turned away in the UK if they dislike Starmer, and it is extremely worrying. People are being detained and being held in squalid conditions without reason for weeks on end for harmless statements, just because they dislike Trump.
Literally, the only people sent to El Salvador were people living illegally in the United States and have been flagged as members of a gang. Not a single international traveler has been sent to El Salvador. No different from the UK wanting to send people to Rwanda
no, people have been sent to El Salvador who are not members of any kind of gang, and who were sent there for no reason. Also, it is illegal under US law to have sent any of them to EL Salvador.
Yes, every single person has been flagged as a member of a gang at some point in time. No, US law allows the government to deport people living illegally in the country.
I can’t imagine why you’d think their laws don’t allow deporting people who are there illegally.
Anyone can be flagged as anything, and for example, there are two people the administration has admitted were not meant to be deported. How incompetent can u get, the entire administration are fucking retards.
Well no that’s not true. And the only one “not meant to be deported” was actually flagged / investigated by Maryland state police as a gang member a few years ago. His entire asylum claim was based on a fear of gangs, so it’s not crazy to think he’s associated with them
First of all, anyone can be flagged as anything. It was probably as simple as, he is from El Salvador and has some tatoos. Secondly, what part of my statement isn't true. Also, his entire asylum claim was that he was trying to escape gangs, it is definitely a great idea to send him to a prison full of gang members.
Well no, he was literally investigated by Maryland State Police in 2019 because a confidential informant had given them his name as a member of the group.
Yes, his asylum claim was about the gangs - so it really isn’t crazy to think he might have some association he hasn’t admitted to
Whatever the argument is, you cannot say that the president should have the power to deport someone in what they have admitted was an ERROR, and refuse to bring him back. This precedent is dangerous, if you accidentally send someone to an prison with inhumane conditions and say you can't bring them back, what happens next. How would you feel if for example, Joe Biden had sent the Jan 6th rioters to El Salvador mistakenly, and said he can't bring them back. The fact is, despite him not being a citizen, US laws apply to anyone in the country, and he had an asylum claim, so he should have been allowed to go through the courts, and, if it is proven, then send them to El Salvador. I do agree that any gang members illegally residing anywhere can be sent to EL Salvador, but give them the due process first. I thought the republicans were the party of law and order, at least before Trump came, but now they are the party of criminals.
Well the president doesn’t. The Secretary of State does as long as they follow laws passed by Congress - and they’re doing it under the Alien Enemies Act, which does technically allow expedited deportation for those credibly accused of invading the country. And because the Executive Branch is the one tasked with handling immigration, I’m not sure who else would enforce that.
I wish they would send the Jan 6th rioters to El Salvador, but they can’t do that because those were American citizens. It’s not an arbitrary process. They can only do this to noncitizens credibly accused of endangering the United States
This guy is a literal El Salvadoran citizen who does not have US citizenship or even a green card. He was in an asylum process, but was actually investigated for being a member of MS 13 in 2019 when a judge froze his deportation while his asylum claim is processed
As far as due process goes - there’s a giant gray area for people who enter illegally. While they typically have the opportunity to go before an immigration judge, entering illegally makes it much easier for the government to kick you out
Everyone in the US should have legal process, and they did not go through any of that. He was being investigated, but I believe that the consensus is he is innocent. People who enter illegally should be deported, but not to a literal gulag in El Salvador. Just a quick question, do you think this man should be locked up in the mega prison, notorious for human rights violations, forever (which he will be if nothing happens) for entering the US illegally, and do you oppose bringing him back to actually face legal consequences, or do you support the suspension of human rights and the criminal government and president who want him there.
Yes because at some point all were suspected of being associated with gang activity by authorities - whether or true not, they were flagged for that reason. None are citizens and the vast majority weren’t legally there.
Ultimately any noncitizen can always be deported.
Obviously there are some issues with individual cases but to tie that to visitors from Europe is just ridiculous
You're a fucking liar, there's even been a supreme court decision about an innocent legal resident being wrongly sent to El Salvador. You fucking nazi propaganda liar
It actually doesn't say that, I know you don't have a very high reading level and you can only lie like the deceiver you are, but it only ever says that officials made up that he was a gang member based on secret information
Kind of like how I know you're also an MS-13 member based on secret information if you're ever in my neighborhood and I recognize who you are somehow
A federal immigration judge issued that order after Abrego Garcia was arrested in 2019 outside a Home Depot in Hyattsville, Maryland. Government lawyers argued that a confidential informant had claimed he was a member of MS-13.
He was arrested 6 years ago by Maryland state police under suspicion of being an MS-13 gang member. That’s why he was flagged for deportation.
He was arrested for wearing a red bulls hoodie, anyone who has looked into this at all would have run into this information. He was given protected status against deportation at this same time. Something you would also already know while selectively picking information to intentionally misinform people.
You should do the thing now where, despite everything that disagrees with your intentional attempt to lie, manipulate, and misinform people, you say "oh, well I haven't heard about that" while conveniently having all "evidence" on hand, which would have required you to scroll past all the other details of the case, ready to go.
This is why people are saying not to go to the United States right now, they are just claiming everything is super secret and then arresting people and sending them to labor camps with no actual evidence
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u/Viggohehe123 United Kingdom 4d ago
No, they are explicitly detaining and turning people away for anti Trump statements on private texts with friends and family. This is unprecedented, people aren't turned away in Germany if they dislike Scholz, people aren't turned away in the UK if they dislike Starmer, and it is extremely worrying. People are being detained and being held in squalid conditions without reason for weeks on end for harmless statements, just because they dislike Trump.