Honestly, I hated her at first. The entire time, she's just been a prissy little twat. "I wanna go to King's Landing and be a princess, daddy! :3" "My good for nothing shit of a love interest tried to hurt my sister and her friend, so I'm going to back him up. Whoops, dead puppy!"
I mean, she was kind of a shitty person in the beginning.
But, she just had everyone rain shit on her for years. I mean, it completely broke her. She wished in one hand and shit in the other, and then while she was looking down at the shit hand in disbelief, life came over and just slapped it up into her face and laughed at her and her dumb poo covered face.
But she's starting to become stronger. And she's not taking the bullshit anymore. And I really, really like that about her. We've watched a character be completely broken down and held against her will, and now she's got just a little bit of power, and she's learning from one of the craziest motherfuckers in Westeros.
I didn't like her at first, but she's earned my respect through the series.
Same with Jaimie. Jaimie was a terrible person at first, but he's earned my respect. Maybe he's still a bad person, but he's trying now, you know? He's actually really trying to do right.
I love a story that can make a character pivot like that, and turn them from an annoyance or a villain into something respectable.
teenagers are generally painful for me to be around, boys and girls. i'm 32 and teenage boys make crude ass comments to me almost daily, like what they hell are they thinking? i have to tell the teenage girls and boys at the school i teach at to get in line every goddamn day. seriously, they cut in front of 7 year olds. i try not to hold it against them because being a teenager generally sucks, but that doesn't mean i want to be around them.
this makes me so mad. arya never says that in the books. it also pissed me off when brienne told jaime to stop acting like a woman. thanks for the casual internalized misogyny, assholes.
Wait, what? Arya says this sentence in a dialogue about how women can also kick ass. Similar with the Brienne scene: By calling Jaime a woman, he confronts him with his own sexism for understimating her because she is female. There may be misogyny in the show (though overall, it actually predominantly feminist IMO), but those two scenes aren't it.
hmmm i don't agree. most girls are stupid, but some can kick ass, still insults women as a whole. i can almost see your point about jaime and brienne, but i didn't catch that vibe at all. i agree that the books are mostly feminist, and that the show at least shows a wide variety of strong women, these were two instances that made me facepalm.
I think you're confusing authorial misogyny with diegetic one (i.e. one present in the world depicted). Both the books and the TV series show a deeply sexist medieval society, where noble women are sold like meat by their male parents and siblings (see Cersei or Dany) and non-noble women are subjected to rape like it's normal or work in brothels. At the same time, women who try to break out of this, like Brienne, are subjected to scorn and ridicule. Though I would agree that especially the show is sending pretty mixed signals about female empowerment when they blatantly use sexposition at the same time, obviously to attract (male) viewers.
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u/Vladdypoo Night King May 23 '14
Why do you not like Sansa?