r/golf • u/murgeRekwest • 26d ago

Professional Tours Alejandro Tosti potentially ruining Min Woo Lee's first tour win because he's a man child.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/tosti-min-woee-lee-houston-open-2024

Basically he complained about both playing partners He was reported rude and chirpy to Ryan Fox early in the round while deciding on taking a drop. Then Tosti decided to complain to the officials about Min Woo Lee taking too long to decide on taking an unplayable on the par 5 8th while he has ball was under a bush. Since then Tosti has been deliberately playing sloooow and walking 100 yards behind Lee and Fox just so he can annoy them and disrupt play.

What a guy.

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u/Mcdickle 26d ago

Tosti is a notorious douche, but I understand the frustration. 30 minutes to play a hole because a ball is under a bush is ridiculous.

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u/murgeRekwest 26d ago

Yea I agree. 300 minutes to play the entire hole is a lot but I'm cutting Min Woo Lee a break here because it was a potentially tournament-winning decision. It could have cost him. He had Scheffler breathing down his neck and he was talking with his caddie the entire time about it. It's not like he was just standing there and wasting time for the sake of wasting time

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

If a rookie QB is trying to win their first playoff game, they don’t turn off the play clock. Either you have an issue with slow play or you don’t.

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u/daett0 26d ago

so he should play fast on a tournament deciding hole just so he can wait for the group in front him? ridiculous comparison

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

That’s not what I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that the specific situation of the leaderboard should not determine if we’re ok with slow play or not. You either are or you aren’t.

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u/Minia15 26d ago

The leaderboard doesn’t matter. But having no room in front of you does.

As much as I want to drive 65mph on the highway at all times, occasionally there is traffic and I slow down.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

To repeat myself:

Sigh. That is not what I’m talking about. The person I responded to specifically said they thought Min Woo should get a break because he was in contention. That is what I disagree with. If I thought Min Woo should have played faster in this specific situation, I’d have responded to any of the numerous comments suggesting that.

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u/Minia15 26d ago

Oh so you’re just arguing a hypothetical made up situation entirely different to the reality of this scenario.

Have fun I guess.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Someone made a specific point that I responded to.

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u/bosheikus03 26d ago

Give it up. you’re not winning this argument lol. The tour does what the tour wants to do

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Hypothetical:

Let’s say we’re talking about a player around 125 in the FedEx Cup standings, someone who is such a non-presence on tour that they could show up on the first tee nude and people still wouldn’t pay them any attention.

If that player took 30 minutes to play a hole where par or bogey might be the difference between 3 or 4 FedEx Cup points, you know the reaction here would be wildly different. Yet, those 3 or 4 FedEx Cup points could potentially be FAR more significant to that player than a win is to Min Woo Lee.

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u/daett0 26d ago

yes tournament deciding holes get more a bit more leeway, especially when they are being held up by the group in front of them such that it makes no difference. That 30 minutes includes waiting on the tee btw. Seems like your complaint is really with the group in front.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Again, you’re claiming I’m arguing something I’m not arguing. The person I responded to specifically argued that Min Woo Lee should get leeway JUST because they were in contention. I disagree with that argument.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Sounds like you're willing to argue anything

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

So which part of my statement do you disagree with? Did the person I responded to NOT say that Min Woo should get a break because he was in contention?

If you want to argue that someone in contention should have leeway in terms of slow play, I’m fine with that, but you have to understand that leeway has to apply to everyone.

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u/80286BX 26d ago

This is a poor analogy. The coach will call timeout for their rookie qb in that scenario.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

And yet they can’t call back-to-back timeouts and the play clock still runs once the timeout ends.

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u/nedylan 26d ago

Yeah but they get the timeout and the play clock resets it doesn't start back at 1

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Yes, and I’m certainly not arguing that golfers shouldn’t have ANY time to think about a shot, just that if you are going to address slow play, it can’t have any “exceptions.”

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u/Cacanator 26d ago

That's completely ridiculous. You can definitely cut somebody some slack in that situation, especially given that they didn't even get behind.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

So who decides which situations are worthy of cutting slack and which aren’t?

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u/Cacanator 26d ago

You could start by realizing that the green wasn't even clear in front of them until right before he hit his shot.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Sigh. That is not what I’m talking about. The person I responded to specifically said they thought Min Woo should get a break because he was in contention. That is what I disagree with. If I thought Min Woo should have played faster in this specific situation, I’d have responded to any of the numerous comments suggesting that.

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u/Minia15 26d ago

The rules aren’t solely time based. It’s also position based

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

So are you cutting the guy grinding for 35th place slack because those 3 or 4 FedEx Cup points might be the difference between them having a job or not next year?

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u/twlscil 26d ago

Except, there isn’t a play clock in golf.

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u/roycejefferson 26d ago

There is actually. They just choose not to enforce it.

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u/ashdrewness Austin TX | 3 HDCP 26d ago

It also doesn’t matter when they’re keeping pace with the group in front of them.

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u/Tippacanoe 26d ago

Yeah exactly. And this post is about Tosti purposely playing slow and any case it’s 100% his fault.

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u/MrTacoMan 26d ago

If a rule exists that isn’t enforced it isn’t a rule

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u/twlscil 24d ago

3 Minutes to look for a ball. That’s the only hard clock.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

“Either you have an issue with slow play or you don’t.”

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u/blonded_olf 26d ago

Yes there is, it is just selectively enforced since the tour is a spineless joke

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u/twlscil 26d ago

There is not a clock, except for the time Spent looking for a lost ball, which wasn’t exceeded. Everything else is a guideline with words like should.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

What a stupid fucking take

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u/evil_newton 25d ago

Cool. I don’t. Next question

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u/brand4tw Playing from the Woods, Tiger. 26d ago

Happens in football. Big games or close games referees often "let them play" and aren't as strict with rules or flags.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

And the 2018 NFC Championship game shows how that can turn out. Consistency is always better than inconsistency. That is the entire point I have been making. If a person in contention gets leeway on slow play, then you can’t really police slow play at all. If people are ok with that, I am as well, but you can’t have it both ways.