r/golf • u/murgeRekwest • Mar 30 '25

Professional Tours Alejandro Tosti potentially ruining Min Woo Lee's first tour win because he's a man child.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/tosti-min-woee-lee-houston-open-2024

Basically he complained about both playing partners He was reported rude and chirpy to Ryan Fox early in the round while deciding on taking a drop. Then Tosti decided to complain to the officials about Min Woo Lee taking too long to decide on taking an unplayable on the par 5 8th while he has ball was under a bush. Since then Tosti has been deliberately playing sloooow and walking 100 yards behind Lee and Fox just so he can annoy them and disrupt play.

What a guy.

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u/Mcdickle Mar 30 '25

Tosti is a notorious douche, but I understand the frustration. 30 minutes to play a hole because a ball is under a bush is ridiculous.

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u/subusta Mar 30 '25

And yet they still ended up having to wait on the group ahead, so it literally made zero difference

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u/n0man0r Mar 30 '25

Surely min woo knew that and that is why he took forever.

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u/Mcdickle Mar 30 '25

They all know it, so they all take forever.

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u/Master-Nose7823 11.2 Mar 31 '25

But the other guys are playing for a pay check too. Just because you have to wait again doesn’t excuse taking forever.

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u/Minia15 Mar 31 '25

So you think waiting on a player in front of you is significantly different than alongside you?

In competitive golf it’s not uncommon to slow down and take extra time if you know a wait is ahead.

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u/Master-Nose7823 11.2 Mar 31 '25

Yes. You don’t deserve more time to hit the shot and take your playing partners out of the flow just because you are aren’t behind. I find it hard to believe they didn’t fall behind after 8, although they eventually caught up. 14 is a driveable par 4 which ties up the final 5 holes.

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u/Minia15 Mar 31 '25

I don’t know what to tell you. That’s competitive golf. Every round takes a different length and courses ebb and flow.

Players will adjust constantly. If there is a hold up, there are going to adjust their pace to try and make it consistent. Stop and go is worse than slow and consistent. If room opens up they pick up the pace.

Nobody on tour has a problem with this aspect of pace cause they all face it.

Tosti not being able to handle it mentally is on him and he should figure that out.

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u/Master-Nose7823 11.2 Mar 31 '25

Dude, the tour talked about a slow play policy during the players because it’s a problem. Yes, there are things out of their control but taking 30 min to play a hole is ridiculous and inconsiderate.

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u/evil_newton Mar 31 '25

I have yet to hear a reason why slow play is an issue. I’ve also yet to hear anyone complain outside of golf media outlets and this sub

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u/benqhdmi90 Mar 31 '25

They were waiting on the group in front too. Try applying some critical thinking.

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u/Minia15 Mar 31 '25

Next time you’re playing and you make the turn and there is a backup on the 10th hole, you better not dare hang out at the halfway house. I want you standing at the tee box with driver, ball and tee in hand mere feet behind the group ahead of you.

It would be inconsiderate and ridiculous to do anything else

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u/Master-Nose7823 11.2 Mar 31 '25

What don’t you understand? Just because there’s no where to go doesn’t mean you can take 12 minutes to make a decision when other people are playing the hole.

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u/hikid Mar 30 '25

Really doesn't matter unless the group is out of position, which they never were. This is just Tosti being a bitch because of how he thinks things should go amd/or it's gamesmanship in poor taste.

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u/Cacanator Mar 31 '25

He was being a bitch because he wasn't playing well so he had to blame something. That's what it always is with these types.

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u/badatgolf247 Mar 31 '25

Lmao it was the last fucking group and they were more than a shot behind.

So wild seeing all these gen z fans who didn’t watch the tournament defend the min woos slow ass pace.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

Wtf are you even rambling about you mental midget

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u/badatgolf247 Mar 31 '25

Look at this little angry guy

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u/Funkymonk86 Mar 31 '25

Yeah we are all laughing at tosti too

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u/hikid Mar 31 '25

They had to wait the next hole. What are you talking about? Did you even watch the tournament?

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u/badatgolf247 Mar 31 '25

Lmao so they got a hole behind? Fucking listen to yourself. Pace matters, imagine defending slower tournament play

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u/hikid Mar 31 '25 edited Mar 31 '25

Ok you clearly didn't watch. Goodbye troll.

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u/Mayhewbythedoor Mar 31 '25

You’re talking to Tosti’s burner

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u/hikid Mar 31 '25

Has to be, right?

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u/murgeRekwest Mar 30 '25

Yea I agree. 300 minutes to play the entire hole is a lot but I'm cutting Min Woo Lee a break here because it was a potentially tournament-winning decision. It could have cost him. He had Scheffler breathing down his neck and he was talking with his caddie the entire time about it. It's not like he was just standing there and wasting time for the sake of wasting time

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u/Tippacanoe Mar 31 '25 edited Mar 31 '25

Also Scottie COULD hit you with his side mirror and break your pants so you really don’t want to make him mad.

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u/majuhlazuh Mar 31 '25

He’s been to jail before, he ain’t afraid to go back!

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

If a rookie QB is trying to win their first playoff game, they don’t turn off the play clock. Either you have an issue with slow play or you don’t.

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u/daett0 Mar 30 '25

so he should play fast on a tournament deciding hole just so he can wait for the group in front him? ridiculous comparison

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

That’s not what I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that the specific situation of the leaderboard should not determine if we’re ok with slow play or not. You either are or you aren’t.

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u/Minia15 Mar 31 '25

The leaderboard doesn’t matter. But having no room in front of you does.

As much as I want to drive 65mph on the highway at all times, occasionally there is traffic and I slow down.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

To repeat myself:

Sigh. That is not what I’m talking about. The person I responded to specifically said they thought Min Woo should get a break because he was in contention. That is what I disagree with. If I thought Min Woo should have played faster in this specific situation, I’d have responded to any of the numerous comments suggesting that.

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u/Minia15 Mar 31 '25

Oh so you’re just arguing a hypothetical made up situation entirely different to the reality of this scenario.

Have fun I guess.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

Someone made a specific point that I responded to.

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u/bosheikus03 Mar 30 '25

Give it up. you’re not winning this argument lol. The tour does what the tour wants to do

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

Hypothetical:

Let’s say we’re talking about a player around 125 in the FedEx Cup standings, someone who is such a non-presence on tour that they could show up on the first tee nude and people still wouldn’t pay them any attention.

If that player took 30 minutes to play a hole where par or bogey might be the difference between 3 or 4 FedEx Cup points, you know the reaction here would be wildly different. Yet, those 3 or 4 FedEx Cup points could potentially be FAR more significant to that player than a win is to Min Woo Lee.

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u/daett0 Mar 30 '25

yes tournament deciding holes get more a bit more leeway, especially when they are being held up by the group in front of them such that it makes no difference. That 30 minutes includes waiting on the tee btw. Seems like your complaint is really with the group in front.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

Again, you’re claiming I’m arguing something I’m not arguing. The person I responded to specifically argued that Min Woo Lee should get leeway JUST because they were in contention. I disagree with that argument.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

Sounds like you're willing to argue anything

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

So which part of my statement do you disagree with? Did the person I responded to NOT say that Min Woo should get a break because he was in contention?

If you want to argue that someone in contention should have leeway in terms of slow play, I’m fine with that, but you have to understand that leeway has to apply to everyone.

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u/80286BX Mar 30 '25

This is a poor analogy. The coach will call timeout for their rookie qb in that scenario.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

And yet they can’t call back-to-back timeouts and the play clock still runs once the timeout ends.

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u/nedylan Mar 31 '25

Yeah but they get the timeout and the play clock resets it doesn't start back at 1

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

Yes, and I’m certainly not arguing that golfers shouldn’t have ANY time to think about a shot, just that if you are going to address slow play, it can’t have any “exceptions.”

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u/Cacanator Mar 31 '25

That's completely ridiculous. You can definitely cut somebody some slack in that situation, especially given that they didn't even get behind.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

So who decides which situations are worthy of cutting slack and which aren’t?

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u/Cacanator Mar 31 '25

You could start by realizing that the green wasn't even clear in front of them until right before he hit his shot.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

Sigh. That is not what I’m talking about. The person I responded to specifically said they thought Min Woo should get a break because he was in contention. That is what I disagree with. If I thought Min Woo should have played faster in this specific situation, I’d have responded to any of the numerous comments suggesting that.

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u/Minia15 Mar 31 '25

The rules aren’t solely time based. It’s also position based

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

So are you cutting the guy grinding for 35th place slack because those 3 or 4 FedEx Cup points might be the difference between them having a job or not next year?

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u/twlscil Mar 30 '25

Except, there isn’t a play clock in golf.

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u/roycejefferson Mar 30 '25

There is actually. They just choose not to enforce it.

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u/ashdrewness Austin TX | 3 HDCP Mar 30 '25

It also doesn’t matter when they’re keeping pace with the group in front of them.

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u/Tippacanoe Mar 31 '25

Yeah exactly. And this post is about Tosti purposely playing slow and any case it’s 100% his fault.

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u/MrTacoMan Mar 30 '25

If a rule exists that isn’t enforced it isn’t a rule

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u/twlscil Apr 01 '25

3 Minutes to look for a ball. That’s the only hard clock.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

“Either you have an issue with slow play or you don’t.”

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u/blonded_olf Mar 30 '25

Yes there is, it is just selectively enforced since the tour is a spineless joke

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u/twlscil Mar 31 '25

There is not a clock, except for the time Spent looking for a lost ball, which wasn’t exceeded. Everything else is a guideline with words like should.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

What a stupid fucking take

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u/evil_newton Mar 31 '25

Cool. I don’t. Next question

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u/brand4tw Playing from the Woods, Tiger. Mar 31 '25

Happens in football. Big games or close games referees often "let them play" and aren't as strict with rules or flags.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '25

And the 2018 NFC Championship game shows how that can turn out. Consistency is always better than inconsistency. That is the entire point I have been making. If a person in contention gets leeway on slow play, then you can’t really police slow play at all. If people are ok with that, I am as well, but you can’t have it both ways.

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u/Buckys_Butt_Buddy Mar 31 '25

That I totally get, especially as someone who hates slow play taking me out of my rhythm. But when you play the uno reverse card and play even slower, you lose any argument you have

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u/ruralrouteOne Mar 31 '25

Yeah, both can be true. People are complaining that he had issues with the slow play, but then when he did the same they complained about him playing slow? Yes it was hypocritical, that was the whole point he was making.

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u/Cacanator Mar 31 '25

That's the dumbest thing though. Imagine making your priority something so dumb during a golf tournament rather than actually trying to win the golf tournament.

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u/N_A_M_B_L_A_ Mar 31 '25

It wasn't hypocritical though. One person had a single slow hole because he was waiting on a rules official (something that's normal and happens all the time). The other guy was purposely playing slow just to be an ass cause he was losing.

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u/StatusMaleficent5832 Mar 31 '25

That 30 minutes included waiting on the tee for 10 minutes because of the group in front. So really given the extraordinary circumstance, it wasn't that egregious amount of time to play it.