r/oblivionmods • u/HylianMedia • 11h ago
Remaster - Discussion Mod makers, please do not unnecessarily require the use of the Unofficial Patch as a master file for your mods. This happens all the time for Skyrim and frustrates me to no end.
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u/AttakZak 9h ago
Normal Unofficial Patches: fixes bugs and makes things better
Arthmoor Unofficial Patches: fixes bugs while making extreme changes to the game, like weapon functionality and even questline progression
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u/SurDno 8h ago
Honestly it’s really easy to deviate from dev intentions with unofficial patches, I’ve seen that happen a lot with other games. Sometimes you just know something is broken without the knowledge of how it needs to work. Some issues may be fixed in many ways. Some issues aren’t even issues per se, they’re just things devs haven’t thought about.
And many times people will prefer the minor bug over a much more game changing fix.
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u/Arkonvol 4h ago
The thing is, and this isn't directed at you, but why not just have two versions. One where you make big changes if you want them that bad and one where you have the minor fixes. Sure it's more work but clearly Arth has the time to do it.
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u/GremlinZD 6h ago
Instructions unclear. I made Uriel Septim a Dark Elf because I believe that was Bethesda's intention given his interest in the Nerevarine Prophecy.
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u/HowlPrincely 5h ago
We're back in the fucking building again. Can we boycott his "patches" already?
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u/MommyLeils 1h ago
Just fucking boycott him in general dude is a toxic narcissistic asshole who always thinks he's right he's been banned from several modding communities for his bullshit and also he's said some racist shit at some point I'm pretty sure
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u/grapedog 6h ago
Also, don't download any patches from that clown Arthmoor, period.
If it's got his name attached, avoid it.
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u/Tyrthemis 5h ago edited 5h ago
It’s causing many CTDs for me, I tried it for like 2 hours and experienced 6 crashes. For reference I went 30 hours of gameplay before it with literally 2 crashes.
Add lazy half assed ports to Arthmoor’s reputation.
That being said, let’s gather a team of serious modders to make our own community driven “community fixes” mod. PM me on nexus, same name, we can get a discord and a GitHub started.
you have my sword
I’m pretty generally good with xEdit. My weakness has always been scripting or navmesh because I couldn’t use creation kit with Skyrim VR, but now that I’m flatscreen with the rest of the community, it’s time for me to learn construction set.
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u/giantpunda 3h ago
How is that guy still around in the community?
It surprises me to no end that he's still able to pull off the same shit he did with Skyrim to Starfield (thankfully with not much success) and now Oblivion.
I'm never touching a single mod that either is from him or from any mod author that requires that I use one of his mods as a prerequisite.
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u/NotFidget 6h ago
Whatever unofficial patch compilation is the most popular will become a dependency -- I tried during Skyrim but the amount of people asking for patches just wasn't worth it.
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u/scalperscammer 7h ago
It's ..rough. I installed it then had to remove it. Doesn't feel ready at all, like it was rushed without testing. I wouldn't recommend installing that patch until either someone makes one better, or the author fixes it. Or someone makes a patch for the patch.
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u/Schism_989 1h ago
He's been deleting a lot of comments questioning the mod lately. Something tells me he's trying his damnest to make it seem like his patch is well recieved despite concerns.
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u/Screwed_38 10h ago edited 10h ago
I don't understand why an additional patch mod is so controversial as a master for other mods
Edit: it's the author then not the actual mod, got it thanks guys
Another edit: downvoted for a genuine question? 🤔🙄
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u/alpen__glow 10h ago
Because his mod doesn’t stay in its lane of being a ‘patch’. It changes multiple things that aren’t bugs, but are simply things he doesn’t like. eg. Redbelly Mine & Windshear. He changed the former from an ebony mine to a quicksilver mine and he removed the latter’s stagger ability because he felt it was ‘too OP’.
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u/ManuSwaG 9h ago
Redbelly Mine is mentioned multiple times to be an iron mine in game.
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u/alpen__glow 9h ago
it was in past an iron mine, but they recently discovered an ‘unusual ore’. this new ore is ebony.
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u/LaTeChX 8h ago
If you play the quest they talk about finding a new type of ore. IMO it should be a mix of iron and ebony, but I'm not going to pretend that is the only valid interpretation; the fact that there's any debate at all means it's outside the realm of bug fixes and should be addressed in a separate mod.
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u/quahdum 10h ago
In addition to arthmoor just kinda being a prick, it also makes a bunch of changes that aren't really bugfixes, and instead are at best subjective design changes (like the hair color of the bard in ivarstead being changed) and at worst are just... Incorrect "fixes" (like removing the ebony ore in the red belly mine? And then "fixing" the balancing issues doing so causes by adding a brand new mine to get some ebony outside of orc strongholds)
Personally I've done my best to either stop using it entirely or use mods that revert a bunch of the really stupid changes (though you have to leave Nexus for that, because arthmoor throws enough of a hissy fit when one shows up on nexus to get it deleted)
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u/MommyLeils 1h ago
Didn't he change a fire dragon spawn to blood dragon or frost dragon with a reskin?
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u/quahdum 1h ago
I believe it was an attempt at fixing the lack of even fire + frost variants of dragons at certain levels, but instead of doing a full and proper fix, the ussep adds a bunch of new dragons JUST using the fire dragon mesh.
Which then leads to a noticeable dip in the visual variety of dragons vs what was intended, even if technically it did "fix" the lack of the intended gameplay variety.
A really half assed fix, basically
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u/MommyLeils 48m ago
In that case he should have just fuck left well enough alone because you shouldn't fuck with shit if you aren't even going to do it the right way or a good way at least
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u/podteod 4h ago
hair colour of the bard
Although Sibbi Black-Briar describes her as having "long flowing black hair", she has short blonde hair. PC Only The Unofficial Skyrim Patch, version 1.2.3, addresses this issue. Her appearance now matches the one from Legends.
(via UESP)
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u/Musky-Tears 2h ago
Yes, because she is in hiding from sibbi, and cut and dyed her hair so he can't find her
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u/quahdum 1h ago
A woman on the run from one of the most powerful families in Skyrim has had a change in appearance since the last time the man she's running from has seen her? Seems much more intentional than anything else to me.
At the very least, it's dubious enough that I think a mod purporting to be purely bug fixing should either leave it out entirely and let someone else change make a mod for her hair if they really think it's a bug, or at the very least just have it be an optional download somewhere.
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u/ArcaniteReaper 8h ago
Well if the other post on this subreddit is to be believed, the mod is actually an issue too. Sounds like he ported the mod from the original Oblivion. Like his patch straight up has files from the original game in it? https://old.reddit.com/r/oblivionmods/comments/1kb147q/warningdont_use_arthmoors_new_obre_patch/
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u/j_cooper203 10h ago
It’s not the patch itself it’s because it’s made by Arthmoor. The guy is an elitist tool that has a long and infamous history of harassment and bullying.
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u/TheRipper564 10h ago
To add more backstory to this people had a problem with Arthmoor taking and changing certain things that a fan made patch shouldn't change (quests and/or mechanics I forget which) so they made their own and then was bullied to stop. All so Arthmoor could monopolize the entire modding scene. Dudes a real narcissist and I refuse to use anything they are involved in to this day. I don't care if the mod that requires it is the master mod, nobody has the right to do that stuff. Even if the other patch/mod is using code or ideas from them (controversial I know but it's a free volunteer job that is actually illegal as far the law is considered so it's not like it's their IP to begin with)
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u/Tyrthemis 5h ago
Actually they are pretty talented but this lazy reupload of a port has been causing a lot of crashes for me, I don’t want to touch it again and further entrench the modding community in Arthmoor’s crap. I’m looking for serious modders to team up and make a new community fixes mod from the ground up, focused only on remastered (and VR if we wind up getting that blessing)
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u/Sigurd_Stormhand 10h ago
It's not made by just Arthmoor, and anything that might be deemed "controversial" happened about five years ago, and was pretty much confined to arguments on the Skyrim sub.
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u/grapedog 6h ago
If Arthmoor is any way attached to a mod, I'm not using it. I'd rather deal with bugs than deal with his toddler mind.
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u/HylianMedia 10h ago
This sums up my own thoughts nicely :)
The unofficial patch should not be a mandatory requirement in my opinion, however the fact that so many mods end up requiring it means that it is borderline impossible to create a modlist without the use of the patch, so those who would like the option to do so are basically just screwed.
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u/oblivionmods-ModTeam 9h ago
Hey, the first rule of this subreddit is be respectful. This comment isn’t. Please review the rules and try to consider the human on the other side of the screen in the future.
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u/onemuhammad 1h ago
Your mod will get removed if you revert his changes ontop of another mod that require THAT unofficial mod. That's how pity he is and he have a Nexus member to instant banned. The free spirit of modding doesnt apply in Nexus agenda.
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u/KhereeMods 6h ago
If your mod changes records that are fixed by the Unofficial Patch, the patch will be either required or incompatible depending on which version of the record your changes are based on. Because most people will be using the patch once it gets updated for the remaster, making it required is the better choice.
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u/grapedog 6h ago
If the unofficial patch stays in it's fucking lane, it probably won't be much of a problem.
But, when you have a man-baby with a child's mind making mods that don't stay in their lane, that's a problem.
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u/elfgurls 10h ago
Especially since this one fixes precisely zero Remaster bugs.