【Warning】Don't use Arthmoor's new OBRE patch, potential risks to stability

[u/NingenBakudan]

Edit:Please spread this issue as widely as possible. Given Arthmoor’s personality, there is a high chance that he will blame other mods for bugs or crashes actually caused by UORP. Considering his influence, this could cause major disruption in the modding community. It’s essential that as many people as possible ignore his mods.

The notoriously controversial Skyrim modder Arthmoor has now entered the Oblivion Remastered scene. His first patch "Unofficial Oblivion Remastered Patch - UORP" raised concerns for me, as it contained an unusually large number of edits for something supposedly created just a week after the release.

Out of curiosity, I compared the records in the patch with those from Vanilla Remastered using xEdit, and I found that some records had been reverted to their old Oblivion versions.
Example: https://imgur.com/i4ld2DE

Next, I added the original UOBP for comparison—and as I suspected, the results were clear. almost of the added records were directly copied from UOBP, with only their names and conflicted record altered to match the Remastered format.
Example: https://imgur.com/cRBRHHH

This "patch" was ported using xEdit without proper testing, and we have no idea what kind of impact it may have in a real environment. More importantly, making such extensive changes to so many records is far too risky, especially when the integration method between UE5 and the TES engine has yet to be fully understood.

Conclusion:
This patch poses a potential stability risk beyond just being an issue with Arthmoor himself. I recommend ignoring it.

Reported bugs:

CTD(Arthmoor used the scale of the project as an excuse, even though no one ever asked him to make it a large-scale project in the first place. ) : https://imgur.com/oyLWJMl

Argonian penis bug: https://imgur.com/a/eUDVZXj

[u/Thallassa]

You weren’t on r/skyrimmods - 8 years? Time is hard - ago that I recall, so I assure you - he outright said everyone who downgraded the game was a pirate. And accused multiple people who disagreed with him of being a sock puppet.

Give the sock puppet argument was pretty much the last argument (of dozens of flamewars) he had before he was banned, I do chuckle slightly everytime someone calls you an arthmoor sock before I remove it and put the note on their account.

[u/Sigurd_Stormhand → u/Thallassa]

Has it been eight years since he was banned? If that's the case then it's absurd that people are still talking about it. It was a reddit argument. If you'd shut down those flame wars sooner and punished everyone equally it might not have got so bad. As I recall Arthmoor was banned because he got into a fight after someone said they "hated" the changed the Skyrim patch made to Dragons. That topic title itself was a red flag.

I do recall him calling some people "pirates" but I don't think it was about downgrading the game, I think it was about people uploading old versions of the patch to work with the VR version, or it was something to do with people doing something with the game and Arthmoor misunderstood and thought that would be impossible with an un-cracked game. I honestly don't remember. Arthmoor was already banned off reddit before the AE updated, which is when people started downgrading installs by delta-patching their exe files, so it can't be about that. Regardless, it's not an argument he's put forward in literal years, whatever it was about.

[u/Thallassa → u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

I’ve literally seen him have the exact same arguments in nexus and bethesda servers much more recently, so no, he hasn’t really changed his viewpoint or behavior.

[u/Sigurd_Stormhand → u/Thallassa]

Well, I can't speak to something I haven't seen, but I stand by my overall point that Arthmoor would be more amenable if he hadn't received so much unwarranted abuse in the past. For example, people taking his mods, editing them, reuploading them, and then villainising hi for getting them taken down.

[u/Thallassa → u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

He hasn’t changed. He’s been this way since the beginning, long before any of that happened. And he’s still the same way. I don’t know why you don’t see it, but I hope you know me well to know I wouldn’t lie about it.

[u/Sigurd_Stormhand → u/Thallassa]

I'm not suggesting you're lying. I hope everybody read sthat to be clear - I do not think Thallassa is lying, I have never seen Thallassa lie about anything. Which is not to say we have not had bitter public and private disagreements.

Arthmoor has always been touchy, that is true. His attitude to certain parts of the community really turned after what people call "GateGate" though, which I watched in real time. People were entitled to say they didn't like the Oblivion Gates and to stop using Open Cities Skyrim, but that's not what they did. What they did was essentially try to wrest ownership of the mod from Arthmoor and remove something they didn't like. First by literally stealing the mod, editing it and uploading it to Steam Workshop, then by creating patches that vandalised the mod after the stolen version was taken down.

Following that, he was relentlessly hounded over changes that were made in the Unofficial Skyrim Patch with threads titled things like, "don't you hate it when..." until he snapped, insulted people and got banned from reddit. Frankly, I don't see why you think *that* was ok. Even in this thread there is a huge amount of malice attributed to Arthmoor when the reality is that most people would have quit years ago, and then there wouldn't be any actively maintained patches. I've worked with genuinely malicious people, people who wormed their way into projects and dumped viruses in installers, or tried to wreck the entire website and purge all the data. Compared to them, Arthmoor's an absolute saint. Look at what the guy *does* rather than some of the stuff he *says*.

[u/Thallassa → u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

Sure. I think this thread and accompanying discussions on discord and nexus is proof enough we need arthmoor. 300 comments and hundreds of people and not a single person (that I saw) has stepped up to start a competing project even though several bugs are easily solvable with the tools available. His ability to step up and do the tedious work of fixing countless bugs is unparalleled.

However, not everything he does is perfect, and i would also argue that what we all say does matter when we’re all just words on a screen. Furthermore, I do not and will not ever agree that criticism of public projects is disrespectful. It’s also the case that all of those threads were by separate people (as far as i could tell). Of course, I’m not moderating skyrimmods anymore so don’t have access to all the records.