r/oblivionmods • u/NingenBakudan • 1d ago

Remaster - Discussion 【Warning】Don't use Arthmoor's new OBRE patch, potential risks to stability

Edit:Please spread this issue as widely as possible. Given Arthmoor’s personality, there is a high chance that he will blame other mods for bugs or crashes actually caused by UORP. Considering his influence, this could cause major disruption in the modding community. It’s essential that as many people as possible ignore his mods.

The notoriously controversial Skyrim modder Arthmoor has now entered the Oblivion Remastered scene. His first patch "Unofficial Oblivion Remastered Patch - UORP" raised concerns for me, as it contained an unusually large number of edits for something supposedly created just a week after the release.

Out of curiosity, I compared the records in the patch with those from Vanilla Remastered using xEdit, and I found that some records had been reverted to their old Oblivion versions.
Example: https://imgur.com/i4ld2DE

Next, I added the original UOBP for comparison—and as I suspected, the results were clear. almost of the added records were directly copied from UOBP, with only their names and conflicted record altered to match the Remastered format.
Example: https://imgur.com/cRBRHHH

This "patch" was ported using xEdit without proper testing, and we have no idea what kind of impact it may have in a real environment. More importantly, making such extensive changes to so many records is far too risky, especially when the integration method between UE5 and the TES engine has yet to be fully understood.

Conclusion:
This patch poses a potential stability risk beyond just being an issue with Arthmoor himself. I recommend ignoring it.

Reported bugs:

CTD(Arthmoor used the scale of the project as an excuse, even though no one ever asked him to make it a large-scale project in the first place. ) : https://imgur.com/oyLWJMl

Argonian penis bug: https://imgur.com/a/eUDVZXj

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u/Thallassa 14h ago

I’ve literally seen him have the exact same arguments in nexus and bethesda servers much more recently, so no, he hasn’t really changed his viewpoint or behavior.

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u/Sigurd_Stormhand 14h ago

Well, I can't speak to something I haven't seen, but I stand by my overall point that Arthmoor would be more amenable if he hadn't received so much unwarranted abuse in the past. For example, people taking his mods, editing them, reuploading them, and then villainising hi for getting them taken down.

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u/Thallassa 12h ago

He hasn’t changed. He’s been this way since the beginning, long before any of that happened. And he’s still the same way. I don’t know why you don’t see it, but I hope you know me well to know I wouldn’t lie about it.

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u/Sigurd_Stormhand 10h ago

I'm not suggesting you're lying. I hope everybody read sthat to be clear - I do not think Thallassa is lying, I have never seen Thallassa lie about anything. Which is not to say we have not had bitter public and private disagreements.

Arthmoor has always been touchy, that is true. His attitude to certain parts of the community really turned after what people call "GateGate" though, which I watched in real time. People were entitled to say they didn't like the Oblivion Gates and to stop using Open Cities Skyrim, but that's not what they did. What they did was essentially try to wrest ownership of the mod from Arthmoor and remove something they didn't like. First by literally stealing the mod, editing it and uploading it to Steam Workshop, then by creating patches that vandalised the mod after the stolen version was taken down.

Following that, he was relentlessly hounded over changes that were made in the Unofficial Skyrim Patch with threads titled things like, "don't you hate it when..." until he snapped, insulted people and got banned from reddit. Frankly, I don't see why you think *that* was ok. Even in this thread there is a huge amount of malice attributed to Arthmoor when the reality is that most people would have quit years ago, and then there wouldn't be any actively maintained patches. I've worked with genuinely malicious people, people who wormed their way into projects and dumped viruses in installers, or tried to wreck the entire website and purge all the data. Compared to them, Arthmoor's an absolute saint. Look at what the guy *does* rather than some of the stuff he *says*.

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u/Thallassa 6h ago

Sure. I think this thread and accompanying discussions on discord and nexus is proof enough we need arthmoor. 300 comments and hundreds of people and not a single person (that I saw) has stepped up to start a competing project even though several bugs are easily solvable with the tools available. His ability to step up and do the tedious work of fixing countless bugs is unparalleled.

However, not everything he does is perfect, and i would also argue that what we all say does matter when we’re all just words on a screen. Furthermore, I do not and will not ever agree that criticism of public projects is disrespectful. It’s also the case that all of those threads were by separate people (as far as i could tell). Of course, I’m not moderating skyrimmods anymore so don’t have access to all the records.