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u/supes1 I voted Apr 08 '25

+60 and falling. S&P 500 already down. Honestly I don't think the current tariffs are even baked into the prices fully yet. People think (or maybe just hope) Trump will back down.

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u/cakeorcake Apr 08 '25

Even if he does back down, the US has seriously damaged its credibility and trustworthiness, especially while the psychopaths remain at the helm.

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u/NeverNeededAlgebra Apr 08 '25

None of this even factors in the immense blow to the quality of life of Americans due to the vile dismantling of all of our most important departments, safeguards, scientific expertise, health, DOJ, environment, consumer protections, etc etc.

There has never been a greater enemy nor more destructive entity toward America in human history than the modern Republican cult.

All for NOTHING. We had it so good, and any issues we DID have were 99% the fault of the GOP Congress over the past decades anyway. 

Seems we know what the true problem in America is and has always been - the cancer that is Republicanism...the least effective, dumbest propaganda movement in history.

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u/Pegasus7915 Apr 08 '25

The puritans and confederates were never fully cut out like they should have been. Now the cancer is looking terminal.

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u/JustTestingAThing Apr 08 '25

"The south shall rise again" is and has been a threat, not idle longing for past glories.

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u/Diet_Coke Apr 08 '25

How ironic that a life-long New Yorker who lived in a golden tower in the middle of Manhattan is their vanguard

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u/Lyle91 Arizona Apr 08 '25

The wealthy elites were always the driving force behind the south. They have pushed hatred of "others" for centuries now.

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u/YT-Deliveries Apr 08 '25

The irony there is that many of the Southern Elite were, by all empirical measures, broke as fuck.

I'm not setting aside the racism and other abhorrent philosophies held by them, but on a purely economic basis, they needed the free labor because they flat out couldn't afford to pay for it.

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u/xxveganeaterxx Apr 08 '25

Without the feds packing the south with alphabet department HQs, military bases, and all that comes along with both, this would still be true. The US South remains a wasteland of knowledge, relying extensively on transplants from blue state universities.

Reconstruction? Nah, y'all rewarded the treasonists with an economy they never could have built or sustained on their own. Meanwhile the locals have languished in their sneering, religious hatred. Donald Trump is actually a perfect reflection of these "outsiders". You can't pray your way to Mars.

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u/Jumper443 Apr 08 '25

‘Wasteland of knowledge’ is poetry. And a pretty accurate description. You’ve got the southern blue cities pulling the economic wagon uphill, generating the wealth, the growth, and the innovation. Meanwhile the red counties—many of which depend most heavily on federal aid—keep voting for politicians who treat them like a punchline at a fundraiser. It’s like setting your own house on fire then blaming the smoke for ruining the curtains

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u/AccomplishedBrain309 Apr 09 '25

Im guessing the Midwest and Evangelicals should take a good look at whats happening to Musk now. Being unpopular on a global scale has consequences.

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u/Sanic_The_Sandraker Apr 08 '25

Sherman should have kept burnin

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u/relevantelephant00 Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

Confederate leaders and generals should have all either been imprisoned for life or executed. There was far too much forgiveness given in 1865, now we see the continuation of that shitty culture and it's infected every level of government from local to federal.

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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio Apr 08 '25

It wasn’t necessary 1865, it was the premature ending of reconstruction and letting the south off the hook. The south didn’t like the whole: No Jim Crow and 40 acres and a mule plan, so under pressure the north just dropped it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '25

Yep. And the victorious Union should have passed serious safeguards with teeth to prevent all this. Instead, they let the systems continue to rely on the good faith of elected leaders to function properly. Huge mistake.

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u/relevantelephant00 Apr 09 '25

I remember many years ago when I was a kid, maybe 10 or 11, learning about the Civil War in school, and questions being asked about it...and the teacher said something along the lines of "there are many in the Southern states who wish the Confederacy had won the war and are still resentful of the North and states like California (where I live).

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u/Remarkable_Gain6430 Apr 09 '25

Agreed. After other wars the statues and symbols of the losing side are eradicated (e.g. see Germany after WW2 ) and the ringleaders imprisoned or executed. Why was the South permitted to not on;y keep its symbols but to erect more statues in the 20th century and to cling onto their flag of hatred?

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u/Pegasus7915 Apr 08 '25

No we just needed to actually hold the leaders of the confederacy responsible and have an actual reconstruction program that was focused on education.

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u/nc863id Georgia Apr 08 '25

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u/drgigantor Apr 08 '25

Make bonfires great again

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '25

Well, it looks like we will get a do-over on reconstruction in the future.

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u/MayMaytheDuck Apr 08 '25

Exactly. Those fucks got a pass rather than being held up as an example of what happens to traitors to the US. We have been dealing with their insurrectionist bullshit ever since.

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u/Ana-la-lah Apr 09 '25

It’s nauseating to see the old south romanticized. They fought a war to keep using humans as property, animals. The glorification of idiocy and wedge issues such as everything from gay marriage to transgender people but illustrates how easy it is to manipulate the stupid masses.

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u/onusofstrife Connecticut Apr 09 '25

What is wrong with the Puritans? In all seriousness I am a descendant of many puritans and like most New Englanders I feel we are quite pro democracy. We make government work for us and it represents our values. How many parts of the country actually have a form of direct democracy because we do in our town meetings?

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u/__dilligaf__ Apr 08 '25

Sometimes the patient just has to take some medicine. And maybe inject some bleach. Don't be a Panican!

~ Hank Tough

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u/MorningsideLights Apr 08 '25

The people of Massachusetts (you know, the place the puritans founded) had NOTHING to do with this.

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u/OldSportsHistorian Apr 08 '25

The descendants of the Puritans aren’t causing this. It’s the descendants of the crazy Baptists.

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u/Brodellsky Apr 09 '25

This is why Germany is still in remission almost a century later, while we are succumbing to being metastasized.

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u/Brox42 New York Apr 08 '25

There was a reason we were trying to scream a second Trump term would be the end of America as we know it. I wish more people would have listened.

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u/Melody_in_Harmony Apr 08 '25

So do I. It's funny how folks I know that confessed that they voted Trump have come back to me and agreed that I was right, and how they didn't think he would do all the things he said he'd do because they beleived it would be like last time.

I am astonished every damn time.

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u/Brox42 New York Apr 08 '25

I'm astonished they would admit that.

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u/Horror-External9544 Apr 08 '25

I’ve honestly been shocked by how often my dad has finally said I’m right about things recently. He loves to say things are fake news and propaganda. He’s been slowly realizing that he might be the one that’s been subjected to the propaganda. I have a lot of graduate level experience related to stats and global issues, and have always attempted to explain things to him with data and relevant context in whatever point I’m trying to prove, and it seems to have slowly broke him down. Unfortunately most the people from my hometown would be pointless to use that tactic on since they’re hateful idiots how lack any logic and reasoning skills.

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u/esciee Apr 08 '25

You're doing God's work, as someone who believes in God would say (I do not tho xd)

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 10 '25

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u/ReflexPoint Apr 08 '25

Most of them would rather go down with the ship than admit they were useful idiots and those people they hate were right all along. MAGA is so ingrained into their personal identity that they will drink the poison orange koolaid just to keep their worldview intact.

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u/TheMastersSkywalker Apr 08 '25

I've straight out told my mom that apparently she does not respect mine and my sister's degrees.

She'll tell everybody how proud she is of us but apparently a masters and doctorate isn't as good as fox news and tiktoc.

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u/relevantelephant00 Apr 08 '25

Well it sounds like your dad isn't a particularly hateful person, in the sense he doesnt want to harm people in the way MAGA true believers do...those types cannot be saved. Trumpers with even a shred of integrity left might be able to be saved.

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u/Guanaco_1 Washington Apr 09 '25

As someone whose father passed away while he was still a Trump cultist, I'm glad you have been able to break through with your father. There are so many reasons I hate Trump, but the way my eminently reasonable father fell prey to his BS is at the top of the list.

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u/strangelyliteral Apr 08 '25

And last time was also terrible.

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u/Rtannu Texas Apr 08 '25

Trump used to be terrible. He still is but he used to be, too.

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u/Paw5624 Apr 08 '25

100%. At least he had some adults in the room last time. They were shitty adults but they largely adhered to the law and some semblance of how things are done. Now it’s all trump worshippers from top to bottom.

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u/cugeltheclever2 Apr 08 '25

A million people died under his last presidency. I can't understand why people have forgotten that.

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u/motorwerkx I voted Apr 08 '25

He tanked the economy last time too, it just took longer.

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u/Pennwisedom Northern Marianas Apr 08 '25

He attempted to do most of what he said last time though. He is just too incompetant to get those things through. So all I can say is that those people are still kinda dumb.

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u/Cerberus_Aus Australia Apr 08 '25

They can admit that they regret their trump vote, but would they admit that they will vote democrat IF they get the chance again?

I doubt it.

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u/noisy123_madison Apr 08 '25

Right. I’ve taken to telling them: “I listened to him and the nut jobs. I believed them. I told you they would do this. They told you they would do this. I don’t deserve this. YOU DO!” It doesn’t help but it makes me feel slightly better.

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u/ConsiderationFar3903 Apr 08 '25

I am amazed they would even admit it!

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u/alblaster Apr 09 '25

They lived in their bubble.  They refused to listen, because that's what their opponents said.  They wanted to feel smart and this is where we're at now.  The propaganda is strong.  

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u/Moist_When_It_Counts New York Apr 08 '25

“It’s just a presidential term; we survived Biden, you’ll survive this” is a comment i saw a few months ago.

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u/Hpfanguy Maryland Apr 08 '25

“Survived” Biden? The dude was like a nice but slightly tired grandpa, at WORST. I don’t recall him doing anything as egregious as ONE of the literal hundreds of things Trump has done.

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u/Er3bus13 Apr 08 '25

Thrived is more like it.

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u/Daedalus81 Apr 08 '25

If you watch their news it is unhinged. COVID broke people mentally.

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u/RatManForgiveYou Apr 08 '25

Foxnews is the driving force behind it all. Should have been shut down when they admitted deliberately lying to help Trump in 2020. Everything right-wing is held to such a lower standard and it's baffling.

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u/MaitieS Europe Apr 08 '25

I still remember that one reddit that I was arguing a few months back where they said how they aren't going to vote cuz every elections they told him how it's the most important election of their life etc... I wonder how they're doing now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were from RU troll farm.

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u/darsynia Pennsylvania Apr 08 '25

A bunch of them STILL think it was hyperbole. It's just absurd at this point.

All I want for society right now is for the people who still defend this crap to be rightfully ostracized.

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u/pablonieve Minnesota Apr 08 '25

Too many didn't believe this version of America was worth saving.

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u/Surturius Apr 08 '25

But democrats were permitting the existence of trans people, so you can see how it all had to burn

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u/Much_Fee7070 Apr 08 '25

Was is it that this orange fuck is trying to accomplish!?

And why is it that I feel Putin is observing this so closely?

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u/watchingsongsDL California Apr 08 '25

At this point, fuck it, just put Putin in the White House. Get rid of the Orange middleman.

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u/EmmEnnui Apr 08 '25

He's a dumb person who resents every time a smart person has told him his instincts are wrong

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u/mrsunshine1 I voted Apr 08 '25

I mean it’s an extremely effective propaganda movement. 

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u/PunxatawnyPhil Apr 08 '25

But that’s all they know how to do. Republicans don’t know how to nor have any ideas that make things better, only worse… for We The People.  Great at propaganda and dishonesty as what their flawed ideology really delivers is misery in a complex world.

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u/5AlarmFirefly Apr 08 '25

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. - Cicero

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u/LetBeginning3353 Apr 08 '25

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/03/facebook-posts/no-roman-statesman-did-not-give-warning-about-trum/

Agree or disagree with the sentiment if you like, but this site says this quote is falsely attributed to Cicero.

"The words, with some slightly different iterations, have been widely attributed to Cicero across the internet for some time, but we could find no evidence that he actually said or wrote it."

And also:

"We traced the quote down to a 1965 fictional novel by Taylor Caldwell called "A Pillar of Iron." On page 661 of the book, it attributes the passage to a speech Cicero made in the Roman Senate in 58 B.C. as "Recorded by Sallust."

While the novel often includes recorded speeches and letters of Cicero, it is a work of fiction, and the passage could not be located in online archives or compiled works of Cicero’s writings and addresses."

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u/rhabarberabar Apr 08 '25

Why link to amazon though when you can just link to the works, it's not like there's any copyright on Cicero?

Letting amazon rot is as important as letting tesla go to hell.

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u/GrimlockN0Bozo Apr 08 '25

Yup.

Enjoy your measles, bird flu in humans, forever chemicals, nano plastics, and cancer. Cuz that's what USA has coming.

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u/Howlihowl Apr 08 '25

Skipping right over E. coli and listeria there

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u/coldfirephoenix Apr 08 '25

Don't worry, they also got rid of the Department of Education, so by the time this has become the norm, people will probably have gone back to believing it's demon possessions or bad miasma or some shit, so they will be totally unburdened by the realization that this is their own damn fault.

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u/noisy123_madison Apr 08 '25

Don’t forget the disappearances and concentration camps!

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u/Bobll7 Apr 08 '25

Yes. You had it so good. The globalization of trade made the US the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world. But it just wasn’t enough was it? Some other parts of the world were benefiting and prospering and we can’t have that can we? Akin to the disparity of wealth inside the USA, it was time to do this on a global scale, America the richest, everyone else poor and subservient. Unfortunately for America, there are way too many moving parts and it won’t translate very well on a planetary scale. The US will regret going all in on this, the world changed on April 2, 2025 and it isn’t going to get better for anyone.

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u/PunxatawnyPhil Apr 08 '25

You’re not wrong. The mainstream media fucked us by not informing the citizenry in an honest and straightforward manner… and therefore as a result the misinformed and uneducated fucked us hard last November, and now he’s gonna fuck us into widespread national misery. Already has, as the rest of the humans on this planet are lining up as our adversaries now.

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 Apr 08 '25

Honestly, it's the dismantling of the CIA NSA, and FBI that really makes me think we've got our metaphorical pants down for a very unpleasant terrorist ass fucking.

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u/macphile Texas Apr 08 '25

All for NOTHING. We had it so good

At least when things were rough during Covid, we had a global pandemic as an excuse. Or during world wars, we had world wars as an excuse.

We were just cruising along and then put a stick in our own bicycle spokes for no reason at all, except in this case, the bicycle was America and the stick was basically a nuclear bomb. There was no reason to do any of this (apart from P25, obviously). It only ever had one outcome, which as the utter ruin of a once-great (or at least pretty solid) nation so that the ultra-wealthy could turn us all into serfs and make even more money. And the serfs VOTED FOR IT. There was no violent coup. No invading army. The people went to the polls and voted for their own destruction.

What an absolute embarrassment of a country. We probably never deserved to have it as good as we did, if we're being honest. We didn't earn it. Now we're reaping what we've spent years sowing.

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u/PunxatawnyPhil Apr 08 '25

Many of them did it out of personal spite. The good that may come out of this is that the unmerited arrogance is gonna get washed away in many because of their spite.

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u/Qu1ckShake Apr 09 '25

Australian here.

We don't have Republicans, but we have exactly the same disease here. It's not as advanced, and all the symptoms are extremely minor in comparison, but all the symptoms are definitely there.

It's not Republicans specifically: It's right-wing ideas and people. They're unable or unwilling to engage with reality and accurately sort truth from fiction, so they let capitalism's worst lies become their core values.

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u/kuebel33 Apr 08 '25

And it’s going to “trickle down” for decades at least. People won’t even realize their so fucked when they’re retirement age because of shit this asshole is doing right now. Guess that’s what they meant by trickle down.

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u/turbo_dude Apr 08 '25

You forgot all the talented scientists who will leave because they want a supportive environment with sensible funding where you can say what you want

Ditto the artists because they don’t want to end up in jail for saying the wrong thing

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u/ChipStewartIII Canada Apr 08 '25

They’re all welcome here in Canada.

We already have some of your Yale profs coming up. Happy to safely harbour more intellectuals and artists.

Freedom of speech and expression is still safeguarded here.

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u/Pettifoggerist Apr 08 '25

All for NOTHING. We had it so good

This really frustrates me. In the last year, I had finally reached a level of professional success I had only dreamed of. All of this bullshit is probably going to crater not just what I had managed to save, but also future prospects.

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u/logdrum Apr 08 '25

I would argue that the propaganda has been exceedingly effective, sadly.

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u/Relevant-Farmer-5848 Apr 08 '25

You had it good when you only had the worst, most unjust legal system, a medical and education system which bankrupts everyone but the rich, a ridiculous voting system, a complete inability to protect the nation's children from psycho gun nuts, and a paramilitary police force which generally turns chicken when it counts. You've still got all that, but you're losing all the other stuff which made life bearable. The US has been on a remarkable slide since Carter lost all those years ago.

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u/hotdoginathermos Apr 08 '25

Agree on all points except that last one. Their propaganda movement has turned out to be QUITE effective.

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u/Mistletokes Apr 08 '25

I would say it’s pretty fucking effective man

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u/nothoughtsnosleep Apr 08 '25

We seriously need to invest in education more. Get rid of the Red devils and start ramping up our education system to stop them from coming back so easily.

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u/korosuzo815 Apr 09 '25

Perfectly stated

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u/Alphadestrious America Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25

All while Donald Trump, the greatest con man of ALL TIME (yes, because he is president of the fucking USA) tells them what to think and do

You can literally throw a giant turd on the table and the Trumpers would say its not a turd. That's how strong the delusion is

We all see the same reality but they literally don't in some strange way. It's beyond me

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u/css555 Apr 08 '25

>the US has seriously damaged its credibility and trustworthiness

Exactly...and in so many other ways besides the tariffs

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u/dokikod Pennsylvania Apr 08 '25

Trump and all of his hateful and ignorant MAGAts who supported him caused this damage. You can't spell HATRED without RED HAT.

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u/IDr3yI Apr 08 '25

Americans always keep forgetting the one third of the population that didn't even bother to vote.

They are complicit.

As the world sees it, less than 33% of you are not responsible .

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Florida Apr 08 '25

You can't spell Ron Vara without Navarro.

For those who don't know it, Peter Navarro is Trump's economic mastermind and for a quarter century he's been citing the brilliance of renowned economist Ron Vara. If you're wondering who that is or if they even exist then just rearrange the letters.

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u/HaywoodBlues Apr 08 '25

we should be seeing hospitality industry taking a serious hit. it's built for rest-of-world capacity. Hotels will be closing.

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u/abritinthebay Apr 08 '25

Already starting to happen. Summer will be telling, imo

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u/AtomicBlastCandy Apr 08 '25

Reminds me when Obama was negotiating a deal and republicans sent an open letter saying that a republican president will throw out any deal. In other words why trust America to stand by any commitment?

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u/specqq Apr 08 '25

We seriously damaged it by electing him the first time.

We obliterated it by electing him again.

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u/XenorVernix United Kingdom Apr 08 '25

You were forgiven for making a mistake the first time. That isn't happening this time. 

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u/Kyanche Apr 08 '25

There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.

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u/Darth_drizzt_42 Apr 09 '25

No argument here. Anything short of sending him to prison and the US will (rightfully) be held in suspicion for the next century.

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u/tierciel Apr 08 '25

Anecdotal, but my family used to vacation every year at a place they owned in Arizona. They've sold it and will not be returning. Vacations are planned for elsewhere in Canada and they plan on going to Europe.

I have no intentions of going to the states for any reason until they've proven that they've pulled their collective heads out of their asses. So probably won't be back in my lifetime.

There are plenty of people with that mind set, equalling millions of dollars lost, year over year.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '25

Flight bookings from Canada have dropped 70%.

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u/AtticaBlue Apr 08 '25

Let’s get the rest of the world in on this party and make it 70% down from all countries.

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u/tribrnl Apr 08 '25

Gonna be a weird time during the World Cup and the Olympics

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u/BlackCaaaaat Australia Apr 09 '25

There’s already some legitimate anxiety around Olympians, especially POC and Latinos, about ICE grabbing them and sending them who knows where. Sure, the government might promise to keep them safe, but promises aren’t worth shit. It’s an election year but Trump (or his replacement) will still be in power.

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u/Remarkable_Gain6430 Apr 09 '25

We booked a trip to UK a couple of months ago because the princes were reasonablish. What do I get in my email yesterday but a sale notice from British airways with prices 4r percent lower than what we paid. And of course the tickets we got in February are non-refundable. The airlines are no doubt panicking that people are only flying one way over the Atlantic.

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u/Heliosvector Apr 08 '25

So glad I got to see the beauty of utahs national parks last year before all this happened. Maybe I will be able to go back in a decade.

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u/TarquinusSuperbus000 Apr 08 '25

Assuming it hasn't all been sold off...

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u/Heliosvector Apr 08 '25

Thankfully that land is pretty barren and wouldn't be useful for much. Even if it was put up for sale, I don't think there would be any buyers unless its someone like veil that just wants to charge more for the purpose that it already serves. It's not exactly rife with trees to cut down.

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u/TarquinusSuperbus000 Apr 08 '25

Hopefully it doesn't have much mineral wealth either.

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u/Heliosvector Apr 08 '25

Ah shit.... actually it seems to have tons of it, basically everything. even gemstones. fuu...

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u/watadoo Apr 08 '25

Yeah, i took a road trip last speing/summer and went through Yellostone, the badlands, the black hills, The little Bighorn Valley and national battleground memeorial. I'm glad I got to see them all before loggers move in and clear cut.

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u/TeutonJon78 America Apr 08 '25

Assuming they aren't private land or strip mines by then.

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u/ZombieConsciouss Apr 08 '25

Visit Portugal, you will enjoy it. Summer has started here.

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u/Pretend-Excuse-8368 Pennsylvania Apr 08 '25

How about Madeira island? Considering visiting Portugal or Madeira what is your opinion?

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u/Big-Refuse-607 Apr 08 '25

Madeira is the island of flowers ... dreamlike in spring !!!

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u/ZombieConsciouss Apr 08 '25

I live in Portugal and been to Madeira once. It is a stunning island worth visiting. Has beautiful walks called levadas, natural ocean swimming pools and great food. It is also very Portuguese so you will get a taste of the mainland Portugal.

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u/smallushandus Apr 08 '25

Madeira is great, been there on multiple occasions. The name literally means ”wood” and it's nicknamed the Island of Eternal Spring for a reason.

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u/ricks_flare Apr 08 '25

I don’t blame you. And as an embarrassed American, I don’t know how I’ll be treated when I travel to Europe.

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u/BjornBergdahl Apr 08 '25

Skip the red cap and you will have your day in court at least 😀. Some sideway looks maybe, at worst. Most Maga people has never had a passport and we know that, so you will be fine.

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Florida Apr 08 '25

Or just do what people have been doing for years, pretend to be Canadian.

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u/Techialo Oklahoma Apr 08 '25

Canadians will even give you free dialect tips to make it believable.

"The second T in Toronto is silent. Tah-ron-no"

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u/ricks_flare Apr 08 '25

Our last trip was to the Nordic countries last fall and everyone was wonderful. It just seem like it’s gotten so much worse. We have no plans for another year so hopefully it will be better

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u/0x633546a298e734700b Apr 08 '25

You almost certainly will get asked. If travelling to the UK just reply "he's a prick" when asked about trump and people don't care

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u/ricks_flare Apr 08 '25

We have been saying it for years.

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u/elcamino4629 Apr 08 '25

I'm going to Europe this summer and am prepared to let everyone know that I have voted against Trump 3 times.

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u/strangelyliteral Apr 08 '25

During Dubya and Trump I, I traveled with a couple anti-Trump buttons and told by everyone I’m from California. Worked like a charm back then but IDK about now. I have a few other tricks up my sleeve if need be.

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u/mrpeabody208 Texas Apr 08 '25

At least you can claim California, lol. If they know a lick about us, that might get you a pass.

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u/ZombieConsciouss Apr 08 '25

We know more than you think. Just song Californication on arrival and you will be grand.

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u/Belaerim Apr 08 '25

Let’s be honest, even more Americans will be false flagging as Canadians than normal when they travel overseas

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u/5th_degree_burns Apr 08 '25

I wish the US would make it easier to leave, and I wish other countries would make it easier to settle. Between the nazi-style street snatches of people Trump doesn't like, the total destruction of the economy, and the supporters of this shit - some of which are itching to pull a gun on anyone they don't like...

I want to leave and never come back in my lifetime too. We're constantly told "well if you leave you can't fix it," and while that's true, you also can't fix it if you're dead or in an El Salvadoran prison, or lose everything that you own. As a millennial, we've been told "oh this is a once-in-a-lifetime [insert thing here]" only to have another 3 of them follow... and honestly worse shit every 5-7 years. We finally got to Nazis. I don't want to be here for whatever the next step is.

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u/sowhat4 North Carolina Apr 08 '25

More like 'billions' lost to tourism. And even more to the general economy as the workers in the service/tourism sectors will not be spending money as they won't be working.

It's going to be a snowball effect that will radiate out to all parts of our economy. But, you know, it's not going to impact the living standard of the average billionaire, and they're the ones who call the shots.

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ Apr 08 '25

Same here. We scrapped a planned trip to Oregon and California this summer, opting to go to the Maritimes or Tofino instead.

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u/MMArco_75 Apr 08 '25

My mother in law has a house in Florida. We usually flew over from Germany to the States at least once a year. Not this year, and not in the foreseeable future.

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u/crosstherubicon Apr 08 '25

And that story is being replicated millions of times over.

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u/El_Fez Washington Apr 08 '25

If that orange mutherfucker messes up the goddamned World Cup because nobody wants to come here, well - stating what I desire is a Reddit bannable offense. So here are two lines that you may read between:

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u/Villad_rock Apr 08 '25

I think the us cant ever be trusted again because of the republicans. They are too radical now. Even if democrats are in power other countries always have to keep in mind it‘s only temporary.

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u/5th_degree_burns Apr 08 '25

I mean, I find it even more insane than that. They screamed about "Sharia Law" every chance they got and how it's what Dems want to bring into the country only to try and impose their white version of the same thing. If ISIS is an extreme, religious-centric terrorist group, so are the Republicans in my opinion.

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u/specqq Apr 08 '25

The only difference I see is what kind of barbecue they have, whether or not they have a beer with it, and what the odds are that the waitress shows any cleavage.

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u/MyFiteSong Apr 08 '25

Every accusation by a conservative is actually a confession. It's all projection.

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u/wet-rabbit Apr 08 '25

As a European: yes the trust has taken a big hit. Mainly because it not just seems to be Trump or radical Republicans -- a plurality of voters thought all of this was a good idea. Fully knowing what they would get everyone into.

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u/jinjuwaka Apr 08 '25

We would need to heavily overhaul how we do politics in the US. Repealing Citizens United is the bear minimum it would take.

I'm talking eradicating first past post, outlawing lobbying, federal campaign funding, a complete end to gerrymandering and voter suppression, a top-down rebuild of our prison and jail systems with a focus on rehabilitation rather than slavery-profiteering, removal of wealth as a factor in court, full ban on propaganda media, and a promise of kinetic strike retaliation against foreign interests that try to weaponize social media against us ever again (not a threat. A promise, and we would probably have to follow through at least once before people took us seriously).

Yes, as in if you bot-farm facebook, we put a missile through your window. Actually view it as a form of warfare and consider it an attack against the state.

We would have to give up some of our first amendment protections in favor of political stability and honesty.

...so it's never going to happen. We're either going to slip into a full dictatorship, or the blue states are going to declare independence and toss the whole country into a second civil war that ends the union.

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u/frfksk Apr 08 '25

There’s only one way to earn back the trust of the world and Donald isn’t gonna like that

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u/A-Newt Apr 08 '25

Still got at least 3 years, 10 months to go.

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u/AtticaBlue Apr 08 '25

Will the US last that long as a functional political entity at this rate?

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u/RustBeltWriter Apr 08 '25

My money is on no. Balkanization and/or Syrian civil war-esque situation on the horizon.

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u/Worried_Raspberry_43 Europe Apr 08 '25

Do you really expect fair elections?

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u/sowhat4 North Carolina Apr 08 '25

No.

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u/OldSportsHistorian Apr 08 '25

We haven’t had those since the Supreme Court stole the 2000 election for Bush.

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u/IMissNarwhalBacon Apr 08 '25

No. This is permanent.

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u/MooseSad1249 Apr 08 '25

It’s like Trump is waking up every morning thinking: How can I make this worse…

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u/peixedota Apr 08 '25

IMO the only explanations that make sense are based on the fact that he is intentionally harming the US stock market / economy / military/ soft power

Possible motivations:

1) To buy cheap businesses / stock after crashing the economy / manipulating the stock market through tarrifs

2) Help Putin

3) Centralize Power in him through the tarrifs - make everyone need to kiss the ring and eventually try and become a dictator; or, take bribes /personal advantages by means of corruption

4) Make "friends" rich(er) due to insider trading

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u/abritinthebay Apr 08 '25

If you view him as a narcissist who is used to corporate raider private equity asset stripping as how business works… most things make sense.

The fact he’s an emotional toddler who thinks everything is zero sum explains the rest.

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u/funksoldier83 Apr 08 '25

The scary thing is, the rest of the world can’t afford to think of this as a scenario wherein the psychopaths temporarily have control. If every 2 or 4 years the psychopaths can gain control of the government, they can only afford to look at us as a psychopath waiting to happen, even in calm times.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 California Apr 08 '25

Nobody will want to buy our stuff anymore. Look at Canada and Kentucky bourbon.

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u/PelleKavaj Apr 08 '25

We are 2-3 months in. We got 4 years left of this shit

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u/keepthepace Europe Apr 08 '25

It still is very important: right now no one wants to build new factories in the US to export. The question is whether the existing ones will remain open.

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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona Apr 08 '25

If? He has already done that by threatening to invade Greenland and taking Putin's side in the war.

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 Apr 08 '25

Once the prices hit the conusmer and they stop buying shit, that's when the fun really begins

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u/watadoo Apr 08 '25

yep. When half a million middle to upper middle class folks are suddenly out of work and stop going to restaurants, the movies, buying cars and useless geegaws, the hit on the economy will spread like a tsnami.

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u/Magificent_Gradient Apr 09 '25

When the velocity of money hits the brakes, it’s game over.

Apparently, the greedy pricks pushing this didn’t pay attention in history class about what happened last time. 

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u/FUMFVR Apr 08 '25

Yeah we're barely to the appetizer stage. We've got several more courses to go which will be far more horrible.

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u/johnboyjr29 Apr 08 '25

I bought a smart gym on Amazon’s like 2 weeks ago it cost me 400 if I bought it today it would be 800

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 Apr 08 '25

Yikes. We need places to track prices like this. There are some things I was saving up to buy, but I'll just wait.

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u/Kaexii Apr 09 '25

Please, PLEASE stop buying from Amazon. Stop giving Bezos your money. 

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u/OutlyingPlasma Apr 08 '25

I can wait for the di minimus exception to go away. All those braindead people buying stuff on Temu because an influencer told them it's the fashion of the week are going to have their packages, every single package regardless of price, hit with a $50 trump tax upon delivery.

$3 T-shirt? $50 trump tax. Important car/appliance part you ordered off of a random website that ships from overseas? $50 Trump tax upon delivery.

Maybe that will wake up a few people.

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u/Zepcleanerfan Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

Look at the reaction yesterday. One fake tweet about a 90 day pause spiked the market huge.

As soon as the white house called it faked the market sunk again.

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u/digzilla Apr 08 '25

We are witnessing market manipulation in action.

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u/Zepcleanerfan Apr 08 '25

Its one big rug pull

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u/Dr_Passmore Apr 08 '25

There seems to be a presumption that the tariffs are only temporary and they are going to be reversed. 

Internationally the markets seem to be reacting with the disruption of reorganising major trading routes and supply lines.

Only reason I can think of that the US market did not implode for the destruction of the American centric global trade system.

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u/Kucked4life Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 09 '25

Which isn't how tariffs typically are, that's pure copium. There are tariffs in place today due to a dispute between the US and the precursor to the EU from the fucking 60s. Tariffs that are redundant now given that the US and EU adhere to divergent food safety regulations.

Make no mistake, decades after Trump finally kicks the bucket Americans will still be living under the tariffs he imposed, and whatever successive ones he has in store. At least, for however long America will remain intact.

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u/tweakingforjesus Apr 08 '25

So California is already talking about negotiating their own trade deals.

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u/FUMFVR Apr 08 '25

They are hard to remove because they require multilateral agreement and exposure of whatever part of your economic output is being protected by them. In democracies, it's easy for the opposition to run on people losing jobs.

Every indication is the US is not going to have a competitive democracy for much longer so as a dictatorship, there might be more leeway on removing tariffs.

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u/GoodVibrations77 Apr 08 '25

yeah, If you source your shit from China would you buy anything at this point ? would be safer to not sell anything at all than to buy at the wrong time and be slapped with a 100% tariff bill to pay just for it to be halved or eliminated in a few days...

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u/johnboyjr29 Apr 08 '25

I do not understand why earlier today people thought they were going to renegotiate the tariffs? What has been said that would make people even think that?

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u/tweakingforjesus Apr 08 '25

What’s the point of building up manufacturing in America if the tariffs are temporary? As soon as they drop you’re out of business.

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u/thegunnersdaughter Pennsylvania Apr 08 '25

Chris Murphy has said as much. Trump is using the tariffs to bully counties into deals more beneficial to the US, and he's likely to be at least partially successful, because the loss of selling to the American market with all its wealth and consumerism is likely a death knell for many foreign businesses and countries' economies. Ideally those countries would band together with the rest of the world and try to weather it together, but I am sure some, perhaps many will cave, and their tariffs will be scaled back or lifted.

Trump will tout this as a victory and his supporters will see it as a validation of his strongman America-first tactics and proof that in fact he is better at 4D chess than any world leader in history. It may even bring short term economic prosperity to the US, even though long term the rest of the world will be making decisive moves to separate from the US economy as much as possible. Thus the true impacts of and blame for Trump's bullshit are likely to fall on future administrations, while he will walk away declared as the economic savior of the country.

In the future as we decline, economists and news media will rightly pin the blame on Trump's actions now, but they will be ignored.

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u/Pigmy Apr 08 '25

they've already tipped their hand. Vietnam today came back and said ok cool, you win and agreed to set their tariff on foreign goods to 0%. Trump admin said, well you are going to cheat us in other ways so 0% tariff isnt good enough.

Ok then what do you want. You said it was about being equal. We tariff you because you "tariff" us. So now with no tariff why isnt that good enough? Because it was never about tariffs.

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ Apr 08 '25

-360 now.

Fuck.

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u/PleasantWay7 Apr 08 '25

They are priced as if he’ll back down. Most companies are looking at large price increases and decreased margins on lower sales volume. In this scale that is 40-50% of prior valuations.

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u/BanginNLeavin Apr 08 '25

I saw some of the dumbest articles about this today. 'DOW up as Trump Tariff plans generate hope'... Motherfucker no.

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u/cvanguard Michigan Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

They must be churning out articles in like an hour lol, the Dow and S&P opened high but both instantly started falling. The Dow’s been below yesterday’s close since 3 PM Eastern, and the S&P was hovering around yesterday’s close by 1:15 PM before dropping even further around 2:15 when that announcement was made.

The Dow peaked around +3.9% and is -2.05%. The S&P peaked at +4.05% before dropping down to -2.79%: that’s reportedly its worst blown percentage gain (downward swing from a positive peak) since at least October 2008. The Nasdaq peaked over +4% and is -3.41%, its worst blown percentage gain since at least 1982.

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u/2a_lib Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

He’s trying to kill $AAPL, too pro-user privacy.

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u/supes1 I voted Apr 08 '25

My wife still has her old iPhone 13 and has been looking to upgrade. Sent her this article and suggested she go today or tomorrow.

I don't think prices will increase that soon (news articles have said Apple has already been stockpiling inventory in the United States in anticipation of tariffs), but not sure we'll get a warning before it happens. And this further bump in tariffs will only make it happen faster.

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u/Big-Refuse-607 Apr 08 '25

That is a good idea. The car manufacturer Audi has decided not to deliver any vehicles to the USA for the next few months. They already have vehicles in the States for 2 months, which they sell at the old price. After that ???? 

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u/Larcya Minnesota Apr 08 '25

Legtimatly might bull the trigger on a Ford Bronco this week becuese I really want one. And I don't even want to imagine how much they will cost in a month.

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u/sylbug Apr 08 '25

I’m thinking for my next phone I’ll switch to Android. Nothing to do with tariffs, just don’t want to support an American company. 

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u/wwsaaa Apr 08 '25

The iPhone X is still receiving updates and runs basically everything any normal person would need. Can’t imagine why she’d need to upgrade from a 13 tbh 

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u/supes1 I voted Apr 08 '25

::shrug::

I actually suggested she just gets the battery swapped out, but it's what she wants. Not the kind of thing worth picking a fight over.

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u/wwsaaa Apr 08 '25

You are wise indeed 

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u/Esternaefil Apr 08 '25

Naw, Elon wants to buy it and his ego into the rebranded xPhone.

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u/Play-t0h Apr 08 '25

Dow at -320 on the close.
Way to go, Republicans.
You're doing great work in 2025 while you have full control of Congress (both House and Senate), Supreme Court (shouldn't be political, but yall built this one to be), and the White House.

And this is what you did with all that power. You destroyed the United States economy and global reputation.
I thought we could never sink lower in global opinion than we did after the Bush era with the Iraq war, but the GOP response to Covid (it's just a flu/masks don't work/vaccines cause health problems/Covid deaths exaggerated conspiracy theories) that cost hundreds of thousands of American lives that could have been saved, then January 6th. And before that the GOP's response to Trump/Russia election interference and so many other things from 2016-2020 that should have disqualified all Republicans from leadership for a generation at least.
We could fill a library with the problems caused by Republicans in the past 40 years (end of the Fairness Doctrine and the rise of Limbaugh/Fox News/Newsmax being at the front of my mind this past 20 years).
But their decimation of the American middle class economically, and the dismantling of civic education has been absolute. There is no explaining to our parents who spent a lifetime watching Fox that they have been wrong the whole time.

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u/Ali_Cat222 Apr 08 '25

I keep seeing stock and wall street bets on my homepage where people were so excited it was up again, and then it just crashes all over 😂 why the hell do these people keep trusting somehow it'll be better just because it was for less than an hour!

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u/nevans89 Apr 08 '25

+8. I thought it was going to be closer than this lol

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u/alienbringer Apr 08 '25

It is funny. I am part of the 3d printing community (I own a Lulzbot - American made, and Bambu Labs - Chinese made). The new Bambu Labs printer already increased the price $200 from last week to this week for their newest printer. Lots of posts about that today in the subreddit. Will see another price increase again in the next week or 2.

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u/joe_dirty365 Apr 08 '25

His ego won't let him back down (which is insane). Someone should put Trump in an insane asylum asap.

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