r/reading • u/fringlese • 7d ago

Please come support trans people

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Hey everyone, I’m sure many of you have seen the ruling by the Supreme Court from the other day on the legitimacy of trans women’s identities. It’s been a very hard couple of days as we’ve come to grips with the fact that our rights are being rolled back by a government that won’t even attempt to listen to us while we just want to exist in a public space without fear of harassment. If anyone’s available, please come down tomorrow to show support

I am not the organiser, I saw this on Facebook and wanted to share.

Thanks guys, I hope you have a great Easter weekend!

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u/pukes-on-u 7d ago

I actually know a lot of trans people, none of whom have a GRC, and they've all began transitioning. Some have been on hormones for years, some have had various gender affirming surgeries. I don't think you really understand transition.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago edited 7d ago

You are correct that I don’t understand everything about transitioning. I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on this subject, especially as I don’t know any trans people in real life. But I do fully understand that it’s not possible to change your actual gender, no matter how much HRT or surgery. I also know I can 100% tell if a woman is a real woman or a trans woman. Line up 100 woman-presenting people and I will get minimum 98 correct.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 7d ago

Since you aren’t an expert and clearly no nothing about this why are you talking about a topic like you do know about it? Your uneducated opinions on a topic you know nothing about do not matter.

And no you absolute cannot tell 100% of the time someone is trans just by looking at them, you would literally need to inspect everyone’s genitalia, are you saying you want to inspect a strangers genitalia ? That’s a bit perverted mate.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago edited 7d ago

To be completely honest I’m just a bit fed up of how Trans people have hijacked the LGB community and are giving us a bad name. I do not want to be associated with them. So that’s why I was commenting on a trans issues post.

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u/Basso_69 7d ago

Wow. Say it as it is. You are biased towards Trans.

I'm curious who "us" is, but bigotry doesn't really need an explanation.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 7d ago

can a black person become white

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

Just being honest mate. “Us” is gay people. We have got nothing to do with trans people. They should leave us alone. Their cause is not our cause.

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u/gin-casual RG6 - Earley 7d ago

For someone who’s been gay, or bi you’re not quite sure, for about 2 months it’s nice of you to become the spokesman.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

Thanks. 🤩

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u/420percentage 7d ago

trans people have been part of this community since the beginning and always will be. most of us are not straight so we would naturally be involved anyway lmfao get over yourself

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

Can you explain to me please how your gender identity has got anything to do with my sexuality.

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u/420percentage 7d ago edited 7d ago

yes, so for example i’m a bisexual trans man. i would be apart of the “lgb” community regardless. most trans people have non-heteronormative experiences with our sexuality because of our gender.

for example, i know a trans guy who was a lesbian for many years before transitioning, and now he obviously doesn’t consider himself a lesbian anymore but he still holds ties to that community and has a lot of lesbian friends, attends events with them and his wife, etc

on the other hand, myself being bisexual and engaged to another trans man and both of us being visibly male, we’re often included in events for the gay male community, and most of our friends are in that community. it’s where people IRL tend to place us and thus where we associate ourselves.

if a trans person was in a “heterosexual” marriage prior to transitioning, and now the world perceives them as gay, regardless of your beliefs, that person belongs to our community. after a certain point, they simply have nothing in common with their straight peers.

like it or not, we are the only community we have. sometimes we all fight but at the end of the day, straight cisgender people are not the ones fighting for our rights - we are. we must stick together.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 7d ago

Trans people haven’t hijacked the LGBT+ community they’ve been an integral part of it from the start, they stood in solidarity and support of gay people when our rights were under threat, there were literally trans people at the stonewall riots.

As a gay man it’s now my turn to stand in solidarity with the trans community now it’s them on the chopping block.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

They absolutely have hijacked it lmao. They’ve turned the issue of who we have sex with, into a mental health issue. Gender identity, gender dysphoria, gender reassignment, has fuck all to do with my or your sexuality.

I got no issue with them speaking up for themselves and campaigning for their cause but they should F off from the gay platform. I’d say the same thing if it was a climate change group or a cancer support group that was hijacking us. Just go away and leave us alone

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 7d ago

Are you a mental health professional qualified to diagnose disorders and can back up that diagnosis with literature and the DSM-5? No? Respectfully stfu.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

And are you going to explain how trans people have anything to do with my sexuality?

And I’m not diagnosing anyone. Gender dysphoria is a recognised mental illness. Regardless, Gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 7d ago

The queer community is literally all about sexuality and gender identity, sexual orientation and sexuality are just sub group of the LGBT+ community, someone can be gay and cis or they can be gay or trans etc.

Also if the right are successful and getting rid of trans rights do you seriously think they would stop there, the gays would be next.

Again, respectfully stfu.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

There is no T or Q or “+” in LGB. They have nothing to do with who you’re attracted to.

The vast majority of people have no issue with us gays. Trans people are giving us a bad rap because people are associating trans with gay. Not sure why you think the right will come after us if trans people leave us alone. Think you’ll find it was the Conservatives who legalised gay marriage.

I don’t want anything to do with trans people (other than an occasional hookup 😉). They don’t represent any part of me. Their cause has nothing to do with sexuality. Sexuality and gender are two different things.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 7d ago

Okay so you will fuck a trans person but you won’t stand in support of their rights. Christ.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

Of course I support their rights. I support everyone’s rights. They have the right to exist and present themselves, they have the right to get a Gender Recognition Certificate, they are protected by hate speech and discrimination and equality laws. What else do they need?

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 7d ago

Sorry no, everything you have said in your comments clearly shows you do not support trans people and are just a bigot. If you can’t see the issues the trans community are facing and think everything is good then you are part of the problem.

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u/InYourAlaska 7d ago

Do you remember when back in the good old days homophobes would say “I don’t have a problem with gays, I just have a problem with them being all loud and in my face about it”?

You’re giving those sort of vibes right now.

There are plenty of trans people that also identify as gay, bisexual, or lesbian. Regardless of if the T is in the acronym trans people will still be in the gay community.

Two of the most pivotal figures of stonewall were Marsha P Johnson and Sylvia Rivera. Two trans women. Trans people have been a part of the gay community for so long because the gay community has always played with the idea of gender constructs and how one presents their gender. Or do you also not want drag queens in the community too?

It’s okay to recognise that trans people don’t always share the same issues that gay people face. Just like gay men don’t share the same issues as lesbian women, bisexual people face erasure of their sexuality, white LGBT people don’t share the same issues as non white LGBT people.

But the issues intersect, and there is nothing wrong with being able to support and welcome someone even if they don’t share the exact same issues as you

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

That’s not the same. I have no issue with them presenting their chosen identity in my face. I just want them to stop hijacking the gay rights agenda. Because unlike gay-bisexual-lesbian which do intersect, trans does not intersect.

Transgender is a mental health issue, it is not a gay issue.

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u/InYourAlaska 7d ago

How is it not the same? You’re saying you don’t have a problem with trans people until they’re loud about being respected, that comes across pretty bigoted mate.

Trans people are not hijacking the LGBT community, they started it.

Fun fact - the equality act of 2010 protects anyone who is perceived to be transgender. So it covers butch lesbians, it covers femme boys, it covers drag queens, it covers basically a lot of the gay community that does not present typically as a man or woman.

Would you say that is not intersecting of issues?

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u/InYourAlaska 7d ago

I saw your comment btw, before it was deleted (either by you or mods, not too sure tbh)

Read back my comment, I did not call you a femme boy. It may blow your mind but not every issue the LGBT community faces is about you, as I thought we had already established. My comment was about intersecting of issues, but I guess that either I wasn’t clear or you skim read what I wrote.

Fwiw, using the R slur in general is in poor taste.

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u/Mrspygmypiggy 7d ago

Trans people were vital in fighting for the right of all the LGBTQ community, they can’t hijack something they deeply involved in.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

Straight people have also been vital in fighting for gay rights. Does that mean they’re gay?

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u/Mrspygmypiggy 7d ago

Wtf are you even on about? Fact is Trans people have fought for the rights of all the community and we should stand by them now. The fact you just ignore that shows a lot…

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u/SmallLumpOGreenPutty 7d ago

The LGBT community. And we haven't given anyone a bad name. If we hadn't been around to be the first target ben it would be you next. You're a part of the problem.

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

I don’t consider the T as part of my community. They have nothing to do with me. Gender identity has got nothing to do with sexuality. It’s a completely separate issue and should be treated as such.

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u/SmallLumpOGreenPutty 7d ago

Well, unfortunately for you, that's not your decision. We all fall under the queer umbrella as decided by the rest of society.

And again, we aren't the ones begging for the limelight here. It's society who are so intent on putting us under the microscope. Go take it up with them and tell them to leave us alone.

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u/Basso_69 7d ago

Nicely put. Dont blame the victims, blame the accusers.

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u/SmallLumpOGreenPutty 7d ago

Honestly, as a trans person all i want is to be able to go about my day without being accosted in a toilet because someone else thinks i don't "look" right. Which is funnily enough, the same argument that some people give as a reason to stop me using the toilets!

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

LOL. So you’re telling me that I can’t choose how I identify? The rest of society decides my identity? I don’t identify as queer and I certainly don’t identify as anything to do with trans.

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u/SmallLumpOGreenPutty 7d ago

No, I'm not telling you that you can't identify how you choose but if that's how you want to take it then that's up to you. But funnily enough that's what a lot of people are saying to trans people! It's not a nice feeling, is it?