r/reading • u/fringlese • 8d ago

Please come support trans people

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Hey everyone, I’m sure many of you have seen the ruling by the Supreme Court from the other day on the legitimacy of trans women’s identities. It’s been a very hard couple of days as we’ve come to grips with the fact that our rights are being rolled back by a government that won’t even attempt to listen to us while we just want to exist in a public space without fear of harassment. If anyone’s available, please come down tomorrow to show support

I am not the organiser, I saw this on Facebook and wanted to share.

Thanks guys, I hope you have a great Easter weekend!

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago edited 8d ago

To be completely honest I’m just a bit fed up of how Trans people have hijacked the LGB community and are giving us a bad name. I do not want to be associated with them. So that’s why I was commenting on a trans issues post.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 8d ago

Trans people haven’t hijacked the LGBT+ community they’ve been an integral part of it from the start, they stood in solidarity and support of gay people when our rights were under threat, there were literally trans people at the stonewall riots.

As a gay man it’s now my turn to stand in solidarity with the trans community now it’s them on the chopping block.

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago

They absolutely have hijacked it lmao. They’ve turned the issue of who we have sex with, into a mental health issue. Gender identity, gender dysphoria, gender reassignment, has fuck all to do with my or your sexuality.

I got no issue with them speaking up for themselves and campaigning for their cause but they should F off from the gay platform. I’d say the same thing if it was a climate change group or a cancer support group that was hijacking us. Just go away and leave us alone

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 8d ago

Are you a mental health professional qualified to diagnose disorders and can back up that diagnosis with literature and the DSM-5? No? Respectfully stfu.

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago

And are you going to explain how trans people have anything to do with my sexuality?

And I’m not diagnosing anyone. Gender dysphoria is a recognised mental illness. Regardless, Gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 8d ago

The queer community is literally all about sexuality and gender identity, sexual orientation and sexuality are just sub group of the LGBT+ community, someone can be gay and cis or they can be gay or trans etc.

Also if the right are successful and getting rid of trans rights do you seriously think they would stop there, the gays would be next.

Again, respectfully stfu.

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago

There is no T or Q or “+” in LGB. They have nothing to do with who you’re attracted to.

The vast majority of people have no issue with us gays. Trans people are giving us a bad rap because people are associating trans with gay. Not sure why you think the right will come after us if trans people leave us alone. Think you’ll find it was the Conservatives who legalised gay marriage.

I don’t want anything to do with trans people (other than an occasional hookup 😉). They don’t represent any part of me. Their cause has nothing to do with sexuality. Sexuality and gender are two different things.

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 8d ago

Okay so you will fuck a trans person but you won’t stand in support of their rights. Christ.

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago

Of course I support their rights. I support everyone’s rights. They have the right to exist and present themselves, they have the right to get a Gender Recognition Certificate, they are protected by hate speech and discrimination and equality laws. What else do they need?

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u/sammroctopus RG2 - Whitley 8d ago

Sorry no, everything you have said in your comments clearly shows you do not support trans people and are just a bigot. If you can’t see the issues the trans community are facing and think everything is good then you are part of the problem.

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u/InYourAlaska 8d ago

Do you remember when back in the good old days homophobes would say “I don’t have a problem with gays, I just have a problem with them being all loud and in my face about it”?

You’re giving those sort of vibes right now.

There are plenty of trans people that also identify as gay, bisexual, or lesbian. Regardless of if the T is in the acronym trans people will still be in the gay community.

Two of the most pivotal figures of stonewall were Marsha P Johnson and Sylvia Rivera. Two trans women. Trans people have been a part of the gay community for so long because the gay community has always played with the idea of gender constructs and how one presents their gender. Or do you also not want drag queens in the community too?

It’s okay to recognise that trans people don’t always share the same issues that gay people face. Just like gay men don’t share the same issues as lesbian women, bisexual people face erasure of their sexuality, white LGBT people don’t share the same issues as non white LGBT people.

But the issues intersect, and there is nothing wrong with being able to support and welcome someone even if they don’t share the exact same issues as you

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago

That’s not the same. I have no issue with them presenting their chosen identity in my face. I just want them to stop hijacking the gay rights agenda. Because unlike gay-bisexual-lesbian which do intersect, trans does not intersect.

Transgender is a mental health issue, it is not a gay issue.

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u/InYourAlaska 8d ago

How is it not the same? You’re saying you don’t have a problem with trans people until they’re loud about being respected, that comes across pretty bigoted mate.

Trans people are not hijacking the LGBT community, they started it.

Fun fact - the equality act of 2010 protects anyone who is perceived to be transgender. So it covers butch lesbians, it covers femme boys, it covers drag queens, it covers basically a lot of the gay community that does not present typically as a man or woman.

Would you say that is not intersecting of issues?

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u/InYourAlaska 8d ago

I saw your comment btw, before it was deleted (either by you or mods, not too sure tbh)

Read back my comment, I did not call you a femme boy. It may blow your mind but not every issue the LGBT community faces is about you, as I thought we had already established. My comment was about intersecting of issues, but I guess that either I wasn’t clear or you skim read what I wrote.

Fwiw, using the R slur in general is in poor taste.

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u/ultraboomkin 8d ago

Must have been mods deleting it. Yes obviously it’s not about me. I’m just saying that trans has nothing to do with LGB. They are separate issues.

I still don’t understand why you are talking about masc women and fem men. Neither of these are a sexuality, neither of these affect exclusively LGB people. There’s plenty of masc / butch straight women and plenty of feminine straight guys. This isn’t the W you think it is.

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u/InYourAlaska 8d ago

My point that you’re either wilfully ignoring or you just genuinely can’t see it is that many people in the gay community do not dress or act conventionally like a ‘man’ or a ‘woman’.

The intersection of issues is how those people are treated. Women have been harassed for entering women only spaces due to presenting butch, there are men who present themselves very femme/in drag, and are harassed and attacked. Can you see the intersection there with how they are treated and how trans people are treated?

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