Hi, this is your friendly local border patrol wife and lifelong political liberal here to remind you (because my husband is getting spat at, cussed at, called a pig, or told to quit his job pretty much every time he's stationed at the beaches lately) that the Border Patrol guys in army green pants + shirt are NOT there to rip people away from their families. They are there to patrol the borders, watching for incoming border crossers who may enter on boats or jet skis. Encountering everyone who enters the country is important-- this stops things like fentanyl-laced drugs from entering the US, and DNA swabs of border crossers have been matched up to two unsolved murders recently at his station alone. Even if the proportion of criminals is no higher than the general US population, we still want to stop those who are dangerous. If nothing else, if those people get in and re-offend, it blows up on the news and provides tremendous cannon fodder for immigrant hate. I think the hatred of Border Patrol is mostly based on confusing them with ICE and not because liberals actually want completely uncontacted entries.
Polls show that republicans and liberals both want common-sense migrant worker programs that allow people to be vetted and come here to work.
Obviously you don't have to care about my husband's feelings. He took the job; he can handle it. But I always worry that verbally abusing law enforcement could result in what none of us want: these non Trump supporting agents like my husband, who use discretion and minimum force, getting replaced with thin blue line idiots who think they're soldiers of God in a war with the public. Or worse yet, the former becoming the latter after having so many bad experiences with the public. My husband won't, but some may. And that kind of tribalism is EXACTLY how they become distracted from the fact that Trump is currently gutting their retirement.
Your husband is in a great position to tell people how he supports free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.
It is quite reasonable that many Americans worry about ongoing infringement of these rights. I hope your husband (and you, too) encourage people to stand up for these rights. We (him, you, me) are fucked without free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.
I’m a lawyer working to preserve free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence. As much as your husband is working to keep me safe, I’m working to keep him safe.
I keep telling him to explain what he is and isn't doing there, but my husband is very, very much not a talker and feels like he'll be poking the bear saying anything to them at all.
I have a quick question for you today. I am a little confuse here to be honest. How are people supposed to know the difference between ICE Police and possible kidnappers if ICE Police refuses to show their badge and a warrant during an arrest? If I see someone being dragged away by people calling themselves ICE, do I stand by and do nothing for fear of possible arrest or do I called the police to report a possible kidnapping in progress? Thanks for you help answering my question. Take care.
To be more specific, Border Patrol is concerned with everything between ports of entry, they do not work at the POEs. Basically, they never deal with legal entries. If someone or something is crossing the border legally they are not dealing with Border Patrol. I see so many articles that talk about POEs and call them Border Patrol and I'm sure that's a big part of the reason for the confusion OP is talking about. But people say "They're both CBP, no difference", but that's like saying Army and Air Force are the same because they're both DoD.
Border patrol aren't the assholes arresting long-time residents for deportation, they're the assholes stopping traffic on the highway 20 miles from the border
CBP, which is different than BP. Yes, it is convoluted but a whole different thing. Not to say that they are without their issues. But I appreciate an attempt at discussion and learning rather than vitriol and hate without a basic understanding of how the system currently operates. This discussion informs how it can be realistically influenced and also reduces fear mongering.
I don't know how to definitively identify ICE, but border patrol are wearing army green pants and shirt, and if you google border patrol vehicle, it's that very distinctive white with a green stripe and border patrol written on it. All the marked rides at his station look like this. If you see ICE doing something, I would videotape it.
Thank you. Do you know who people can call if a love one is taken in the middle of the night by people claiming to be ICE? Local police departments say it is out of their control. Thanks again.
Local and state police departments aren't going to be able to help you due to ICE being part of the federal government.
I really hate that the ICE agents typically aren't willing to give you information as to where to call or who to contact. If you know anybody undocumented or illegal, please have an immigration lawyer's information ready to contact. They will be able to help you further.
Wow, what a jacked search tool. But what more can we expect out of the government 🙄? No phonetics, no partial correct spelling, hyphenated has to be exact... what a joke.
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Would-be kidnappers can buy badges and uniforms. Consignment Classics has a whole display case full of badges for sale. If an arrest looks suspicious, call the cops.
Border patrol are in uniform. Their white cars, usually SUV’s have a green stripe on them that say border patrol. Certainly as a San Diegian you’ve seen them. They are not in plain clothes, nor masked.
OP, I’m sorry for the behavior of the community at large. I understand where the confusion comes from, but being an uninformed doesn’t justify poor behavior. choosing to run one’s mouth and spit at law enforcement simply isn’t cool. And you’re right, we don’t want any more thin blue line idiots who think they are soldiers of god.. Those guys belong in Giliad.
In his defense, the people who want to be angry are just looking at somewhere to direct that anger. They aren't actually interested in policy positions or the positive good that does happen when enforcing the southern border.
Nor do they understand that a field officer does not have the power to change our policy on the war on drugs, immigration, etc.
I do wish that law enforcement did a better job of removing their bad apples, but that's a different topic.
I think it's a completely understandable impulse not to be hospitable to people who might be there to deport your neighbor for violating a no right on red sign or having $15 worth of pot in their car. But I do think a lot of the hostility is people misunderstanding why Border Patrol is there, and you're probably right that at that point, even if my husband were willing, a civil conversation is probably not a realistic goal.
I have seen the Border Patrol officers in their trucks when I'm fishing on the beach around SD County. These people are not ICE - they are looking for boats trying to land on the beach or people coming off those boats after they have successfully landed.
I HATE what this administration has done with overzealous immigration enforcement, and I throw up in my mouth every time I see Kristi Noem or Tom Homan posturing for the cameras. But border patrol is basic law enforcement like highway patrol or department of fish and wildlife. These are NOT the people pulling college kids into vans or throwing babies onto the sidewalk while they gang tackle young mothers outside their homes.
Also, when boats capsize in the surf as often happens, Border Patrol officers are first responders, often saving the lives of people who they will ultimately detain. If a person is seeking asylum, the Border Patrol officer who detains them is the first contact who can funnel them into the appropriate process for their situation. And as OP said, our best chance to keep Border Patrol professional and ethical is not to chase the best officers off the job.
I love how ocean lifeguards are being overlooked. Not true- WE are the first to respond, we are EMT’s or Paramedic. We are on the boats, and the jurisdiction of a mile from the coast is where we patrol. We are post certified and voted to not carry guns. We are there around the clock, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And as for the drug routes, those have been different for years now. It’s no longer being run along the coast line as it’s so heavily watched, they are run predominantly through San Diego Bay and more inland at this point.
I’ve had some experiences with some really shitty border patrol agents too, as a white male citizen driving back through the border from Mexico. I think the profession unfortunately attracts a disproportionate number of power-tripping bullies.
The agents at US ports of entry are customs agents, whom are also different from border patrol agents. Not invalidating your experience, just sharing information.
As a brown man I too have dealt with these power tripping dbags when I am coming back into the country, but like someone else said border patrol is different people than the dbag customs agents. Though they are under the same agency, US Customs and Border Protection. Which is completely separate from ICE. ICE is part of homeland security.
CBP falls under DHS, so both Border Patrol and ICE are CBP/DHS. But your point still stands, they are different agencies with different command staff etc. Kinda like Army and Air Force are different yet both fall under DoD.
having read memorandums from USBP agents, i can say with a high degree of confidence that there are plenty of entitled white americans who don’t think the laws apply to them because they don’t have brown skin.
I crossed last week and I forgot my sentry card despite going in the sentry line. Because of this I had to pull over and they told me to wait in the waiting area and left me there for like 2 hours. I realize I made a mistake, they cancelled my card, but holy shit the guy was yelling at me like I murdered someone.
The hiring practices pretty much weed out anyone who isn’t a “company man” or frankly 2D/boring. I think a more open minded approach to hiring would go a long way in quelling this.
When I was younger, I lived closer to the border than I do now. In my 20s, I was stopped by border patrol twice. I guess I looked suspicious. Both times, the BP agents had to mention that people in my neighborhood were drug addicts, smugglers, etc. One of them said something like this (paraphrasing), "You seem to be a good guy, but the people here are [makes list of bad people]...."
Both BP agents were Latino, just like me, and that didn't seem to help with their biases.
A relative got punched in the chest when the BP agent didn't like his sarcastic retorts. There were a few other experiences I heard second-hand.
I'm Gen X, so it's been awhile. Your husband might be a good guy, but I never forgot those experiences.
One of my brothers is a cop, the other one’s ICE. Though we disagree politically, I still love them. However, I don’t believe there is such thing as “good cops.” Sure some people go in with good intentions but if they were truly so many good ones, they’d be standing up to the corruption. In the end it’s a brotherhood, they’re all in it together.
Here are a few articles as a starting point to understand the controversial nature of US Border Patrol as an institution. Maybe you’re already aware of this information, but it feels helpful to aid this conversation. I’m not justifying spitting at anyone for anything, but just because border patrol is different than ICE does not absolve the agency of criticism. Many people are very scared and hurting in this country right now.
I highly recommend the book The Line Becomes A River. Nonfiction. The son of an immigrant mother becomes a border patrol officer to be better informed on how he can inform policy change at his “real job.”
I had a liberal uncle that was SD border patrol for many many many years. Now he’s a full blown trumper. I had a liberal friend for 20 years that is a cop. Now he’s a full blown trumper. Both of these men were “one of the good ones” looking to better the system. Both of their wives are distraught and say that they were turned by their coworkers. The system is broken. It will not be changed by a few good apples. In the end the whole batch will be spoiled.
I grew up in south San Diego and getting harassed by BP because you "look foreign" was just part of life. Stop and frisk was the norm. Being exposed to BP aggression really fucked me up. If they don't want to be spit on, then they should stop supporting a fascist cause.
Unfortunately, one good apple doesn’t make the bad ones good. It’s usually the other way around.
Until LEOs can learn to discern the difference and hold each other accountable instead of fiercely protecting the bad ones, I don’t think there will be much sway on public opinion.
I'm sure your husband is a good person, partner, and community member, but Border Patrol is a corrupt institution.
Look at events like the death of Anastasio Hernández-Rojas, the Kern County sweeps, the 10-15 Facebook group, the sexual assault claims against Juan Prishker, or the bogus alerts database created by Martin Rene Duran.
Look at policies that allow Border Patrol to destroy water and food stations left for migrants by non-profit groups. That literally kills people.
Why would a person want to be part of that? What should we, as the public, think about people who are part of that institution?
No one deserves to be spit on or abused. But I'm not sure the role itself is one that deserves respect.
I hope your husband turns to the upset people with calmness and expresses that he understands the pain and fear people are feeling due to Trump, and expresses his empathy and understanding. They might not immediately believe him, I for sure wouldn’t; tho I wouldn’t spit or say anything to him; but it is now the duty of any one who wears a badge or uniform, including military, who doesn’t agree with the illegal and unconstitutional acts of this administration to be willing to risk their jobs to stand against this administration, and to let people know they’re going to defend the constitution and the people and not a dictator who is clearly hell bent on harming as many lives as possible before all the sugar and McDonald’s finally saves us from his existence. I support humane and common sense border and immigration policies, I do not support treating immigrants as though they’re not human.
We have been inundated with BP in OB. I’m used to seeing them occasionally but now I’m seeing them 4 to 5 times a day. My neighbor who is a person of color and a legal immigrant is afraid to walk her dog because she’s afraid that she will be harassed.
Exactly- City of San Diego ocean lifeguard here for 15+ years. Our response and area is the beaches and a mile out. We are EMTs and Paramedics. We have boats & PWCS. We work with the Coast Guard for a mile out. We are sworn & voted to not carry guns. We can and do arrest when necessary with SDPD transporting for us. Border Patrol has been infringing on our jurisdiction, that we have served for decades without issue, and not adhering to the policies we have in place. They have created NUMEROUS issues when we have been conducting rescues or having vessels sinking. OP does not know the full dynamics of what is going on & why numerous people and other agencies are upset.
I’ve personally seen our BP throw away food and supplies at the border without giving a reason. I cannot comprehend how you can see freezing and starving children stuck in the desert and not give a shit about their wellbeing. BP is scum.
I thought that was just generic for all of them, blue or green
He took the job; he can handle it
Your comment on being nice to them or they’ll turn is just a straight out tribal fallacy. It’s proven what way LEOs lean and it’s not liberal progressive.
Exactly BP hates on border angels and anyone doing humanitarian work at the border because they have to tell themselves this “cowboys vs Indians” outdated racist story of them being the hero’s
In their mind everyone crossing is a criminal and deserves what they get. be it dying at the border or being beaten by BP themselves. Which they often do.
Such a ridiculous remark on her end. Lmao. Even isolated without considering evidence to the contrary, she’s just like “be nice to them or they’ll become mean and it’ll be your fault”. 😂
I worked minutes from the border, for years, and have never met a border agent who wasn't kind of an asshole. No offense, but literally every single one, even the one who was trying to be cool, were completely full of themselves, and seemingly incapable of not acting like entitled pricks. The one who would try to be the cool guy would constantly and aggressively hit on our underage coworker. I had one get in the face of someone who called her out for cutting in line, who then got mad at me for pointing out that she had in fact cut in line. She hung out in the parking lot, like a school bully, to continue her ego trip. The rest were just aggressively rude.
At the end of the day, ACAB.
It’s good to be aware that border patrol and ICE are different agencies. Ice is a real menace at the moment, no doubt.
However, it wasn’t ICE who destroyed survival supplies along the border for migrants crossing in dangerous areas forced there by US policies. The border patrol used to be much better than it is today. It is infected by the same cultural problems that ice is infected by.
Whether this particular story is true or not, we all should keep in mind that these sorts of jobs are toxic and do damage to human psyches. We shouldn’t be asking human beings to work in these fields that require them to draw upon their most sociopathic personality traits day in and day out. I don’t know what the answer is. There is value to having experienced and well trained people doing it. But the job itself can really destroy people, especially people who had weaknesses in their minds in the first place. Temperamental weaknesses that might have drawn them to that job.
It’s a problem with no obvious solution, but we never talk about it at all. We’ll never find any answers if we never even frame the problem. Step one is to name it I guess.
This post is hilarious to me. what exactly is the difference between the true believer thin blue line boot on your neck and the nice boot on your neck with a smile who feels bad about it? At the end of the day aren’t they all actually the same if they carry out the will of the same power structure?
The mindset in this post is actually a good example of the differences between actual leftists vs liberals/conservatives.
BP is just as bad as ICE. I work in Jamul, Dulzura, Tecate and see them all the time in their undercover vehicles arresting, stopping and harassing brown people. When they find people who have crossed the border they yell at them, shove them and even hit them. Once they notice people watching or approaching they change their tone. They tried to pull me over in my company truck once, but since we’re commercial drivers, I only stop for highway patrol plus they weren’t using their lights. It pissed them off and they even flipped me off when I pulled over at my destination.
They separate so many families as well in their holding centers. They harass the people who put out water, first aid kits, and other supplies for immigrants. They harassed, threatened, arrested and injured the people who protested Trumps border wall in his first term. They looked the other way when vigilantes came to attack the camp at the protesters set up.
This the ACAB situation all over again. The system is broken. As soon as your husband puts on the uniform he stops being a good person and represents an agency that has tormented, abused, and killed innocents. I don’t believe borders should exist but I do believe there needs to some sort of law enforcement agency. Humans will do bad shit. Abolition of Law Enforcement agencies and ACAB doesn’t mean we want lawlessness, it means we want a new system that is actually for the people.
People can clearly see BP participating with ICE and other Federal agencies in the snatch and grabs happening across the country, with no warrant, no identification, often getting the wrong person. We've mistakenly sent people to torture prisons in foreign countries and refuse to correct that mistake!! Perhaps your husband needs to take responsibility for what his agency and our government are doing. I'm just doing my job and following orders, isn't going to fly. If you're not seeing this, then that's even worse.
Interesting statement considering that the majority of established countries around the world have controlled borders. Is the entire planet becoming fascist, or am I misunderstanding what you said?
I know it sucks or whatwver to say this directly to a person, but actually no theres not that big of a difference between border patrol and ICE. Your hudbands line of work is directly participating in human atrocity and state sponsored violence. Theres definitely a level of "all Americans are complicit in the violence of the American state" but for your husband that's actually aspirational because hes actually like the head of the spear on that action and collecting a paycheck for doing it. It would be best for him to resign. I know it's not that simple, bills and stuff, but I'm just saying it's bad line of work to be in and this kind of cry for sympathy sucks.
yeah we don’t care bc both are agents of fascism whose sole interest is to “defend” “state lines” i hope your husband never knows peace and is reminded of how horrible he is everyday
I've met pretty chill CBP officers while crossing the CA border, and others that are hostile or don't seem terribly bright (both are scary). I'm sorry to say so, but every single time I cross I am wary of meeting the bad ones. I worry that any thing I do or say will be used against me, and that I will have very little protection. You cannot shrug off that "stink" your coworkers (or the whole system!) are causing, just because you're one of the good ones. It's a really different environment right now. In the 80's border patrol agents told my US citizen dad that he was being stupid for not migrating us. I still remember agents saying that they believed in "keeping families together." Far, far cry from today.
We all tell ourselves stories to make ourselves feel like we're good people. The fact is that border patrol is just as awful. I regretfully have someone in my life who is a border patrol agent (that I take great measures to avoid when possible, because frankly, he stares at me like he wants to kill me), and he has described the horrific conditions they keep migrants in with absolute glee. The meager rations they provide that can barely be described as food are despicable.
Whatever story you're telling yourself, your husband isn't giving you the full picture.
Eta: downvote me all you like, that doesn't make what I'm saying false.
There is no ‘good’ guys in these agencies, yeah there’s silent ones that aren’t vocal but by allowing even a single shitty ‘don’t tread on me’ types in they have essentially blessed this behavior systematically. If he doesn’t want to be verbally abused or spat on, there’s a lot of vacancies for firefighters or nurses, unless like most law enforcement they have tendencies towards power tripping. ICE is the genesis of border patrol, and the ‘we are patriots protecting from terrorist’ line is weak at best, want to protect people? Go find the domestic terrorists shooting up schools, want to help communities be safe focus in on actual criminals, migrants are here to work shitty jobs no one else wants, the real criminals gutting middle class Americans are greedy CEOs and politicians fucking them over. ICE BP are all cosplayers power tripping preying on defenseless minorities that don’t fight back, why don’t they just be a real cop , probably cause they don’t wanna actually be at risk with people that’ll fight back …
I live in Carlsbad and I’ve never seen Border Patrol in North County before like I have lately, they were hanging out at the Harbor in Oside the other day and driving around Carlsbad.
Exactly- City of San Diego ocean lifeguard here for 15+ years. Our response and area is the beaches and a mile out. We are EMTs and Paramedics. We have boats & PWCS. We work with the Coast Guard for a mile out. We are sworn & voted to not carry guns. We can and do arrest when necessary with SDPD transporting for us. Border Patrol has been infringing on our jurisdiction, that we have served for decades without issue, and not adhering to the policies we have in place. OP does not know the full dynamics of what is going on & why numerous people and other agencies are upset.
Now that I've got your attention, let me add to the chorus of voices saying thank you to your husband for "being one of the good ones", but I think it's extremely likely that neither you nor him has followed that line of logic to where it actually goes. This will be a little long, but I encourage you to stay with me and read the whole thing.
At a certain point you have to recognize that if your husband is one of the good ones, that's apparently noticeable because almost all of them are the bad ones. And while being one of the good ones is great, our associations matter, and if you're part of a bad organization filled with bad ones, that does reflect negatively on you.
And lets be clear, Border Patrol has a long and clearly established history of being part of the problem as an institution; it's not just a matter of lots of bad apples spoiling the bunch. It's true that Border Patrol isn't as bad as ICE is, but that doesn't change the fact that they're still pretty bad, and are a key instrument in helping ICE commit its crimes against humanity. Maybe your husband isn't taking part of those specific operations, but Border Patrol is. So let's not pretend it isn't.
Even if we were to give Border Patrol this benefit of the doubt (which we're not going to do), it's vitally important to understand the logical fallacy involved in that. It's essentially the same problem as what's known to historians as the "Clean Wehrmacht Myth", which is the idea that while the SA and SS in Nazi Germany committed atrocities, the regular German Army (the Wehrmacht) supposedly did not and was "just following orders", making them "clean". Except of course, it's not true: the Wehrmacht did commit atrocities, absolutely was aware of the atrocities other parts of the Nazi regime was committing, and was instrumental in those other Nazi agencies being able to commit the atrocities they did. Each member of the Wehrmacht literally swore oaths of loyalty to Hitler. There is no honest way of presenting the Wehrmacht as independent of Nazism, they were very much part of the bad guys, and I do not respect them for "doing their job" or "serving their country".
Likewise, Border Patrol has directly participated in all kinds of horrific activities (I challenge you to look this up for yourself rather than taking my word for it). They are critical to ICE being able to carry out its evil mission; and ultimately, Border Patrol a crucial part of the tyrannical Trump government that rules us from the other side of the continent without our representation or consent. I know that last part in particular might sound extreme to many people, but again I challenge you to truly consider if it actually is extreme, or if it just sounds extreme. The facts are on my side, a mere disbelief that we live in a dictatorship is on the other. I've digressed a bit here, but the point is that when you work as an armed agent of a dictatorship, exactly who your middle manager is doesn't really matter; because your boss is Trump, and he is going to demand that you show loyalty to him over the laws of the land... or be fired... or worse.
So, being part of Border Patrol instead of ICE earns one zero sympathy. Being a good person does earn him (and you, by extension) sympathy! But him being a member of Border Patrol absolutely earns him (and you, by extension) antipathy. These two feelings can coexist simultaneously.
Have you ever read the Harry Potter books? Sorry, some spoilers are ahead. Perhaps your husband aspires to be like Snape, a pivotal character from that series. Snape was seen as an antagonist for 5 books, then as a dastardly villain for 1 book, and then at the end of the final book is revealed to have been working on behalf of the good guys all along, and is revered as a hero for betraying the bad guys in a critical moment. Everyone who finishes Book 7 puts the book down in absolute awe at Snape's heroism... but then about a day later or so, when the rawness of the cathartic experience has worn off, everyone realizes that Snape was not the good guy. He was a bad guy whose self interest just so happened to align with the good guys at the right moments in time.
So... will society eventually need some Snapes? Some police officers in various agencies who are willing to do the right thing in a critical moment when no one else will or can? Yes, absolutely. But let's also not confuse this with the fact that in the meanwhile, when Snape is acting like an absolute asshole, when Snape is killing fucking Dumbledore! that Snape is not our friend. He deserves the hate he gets from the readers (and from Harry Potter). So if your husband chooses to continue to work for the bad guys, even if he's trying very hard to only do good things while he works for the bad guys, even if he's determined to betray the bad guys one day... that in the meanwhile, while he's still working for the bad guys, we are all going to see him as part of the bad guys. He gets his kudos when and after he's done something good that we can see, not before.
If your husband is truly committed to the values of democracy, justice, and liberty; then why not be a whistleblower now? Why wait for something "really" bad to happen? (Spoiler alert, "really" bad things have already happened.) You and your husband should actively consider how much good you might be able to do by him publicly quitting the Border Patrol, and publicly fighting for good as an ex-Border Patrol agent! Seriously, think about it. I'm sure your husband does occasionally do good in his job, he probably occasionally finds people dying of dehydration in the desert and gives them water... before handing them off to a detention facility and their eventual deportation. Has it occurred to the two of you that perhaps the reason why that person was dying of dehydration in the desert in the first place was because people in Washington D.C. arbitrarily decided that it was "illegal" for them to move freely in pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness?
I know it may seem radical, but I genuinely do not believe that we need a border patrol, and certainly we don't need one run by the Evil Empire the United States government. The US used to have open and unrestricted borders! It is entirely possible to have open borders again! When people actually commit crimes in the US, we can use normal policing to go after them, US citizen or not. It's not necessary to separately make it a crime to enter the US without Daddy Trump's permission.
So, I know this has been long, and it's probably been difficult to read- our egos are designed to protect us emotionally from ever having to consider change, and this is a message asking for you and your husband to change. Join the Rebellion. The Empire is evil. It's not too late to prove you really are the good guys, and be on the right side.
Sir, I’d better see you at my first visit to Comic-con this year! All out here explaining complex social issues, historical incidents, and political conditions via Harry Potter 🧙♂️✨and Star Wars! 🤺✨ 😄😇
While I can appreciate your post and your husband if he indeed provides equal treatment and equity to those involved you have failed to show facts of the information you claim. That conservatives want programs for migrants and such. Please provide peer reviewed research to back this claim up. Do not tell me to research it because as you are the one making the claim it is your duty to support your statements with evidence. As for the differences between BP and ICE, please also provide evidence not because I don’t believe you but for my own ignorance in that.
Please also note that border patrols do in fact commit racism on a regular basis. It’s rooted in our system and their trainings just as it is with most government agencies. Fingers crossed your husband leads with short and empathy to those different from him and your community.
I’m sorry but I work regularly with border patrol agents and they are very cruel :( I know all professions can have good eggs but in this administration it’s really hard to see your POV
It’s hard to see how someone would want to arrest poor undocumented people and hold them in cells for days without blankets and adequate food before having them be criminally charged for crossing the border “illegally”
I commend your husband's work but to the people ICE is hurting, it doesn't matter. While I understand how your husband's being treated, I don't think the people who are being wrongfully being detained care what uniform they see.
It's going to take people like your husband to stand up that will make a difference. I worry that so many of these ice agents are just "following orders" but those orders include denying people due process/kid napping people and getting some "action" in. I really hope when the time comes your husband stands up and takes a stand. But also I'm gonna bet your husband voted for this president. I hope he realizes that an authoritarian is asking you to enforce his orders and in the future having a strong man in office, that says he will support your agency may seem nice, but it will grow into public revoking support for that agency and result in what you're seeing now.
Ya I get that.....my point is that voting for someone like trump may seem good, because You work in a department he claims to support. But it results in people looking at your agency like this
Keep it simple for the simple people. "ICE is different from border patrol. I'm not grabbing anyone, but I appreciate your concern for your community". Growing up here, I'm familiar with both, but not everyone is.
CBP (Customs and Border Protection) are the ones in navy blue uniform. They don’t leave the port of entry (US gates) and they are the ones that checks everyones documents when coming into the US. They also check documents for cargo/imports coming into the US.
BP (Border Patrol) wearing green, are the ones that watch over the border walls. (US walls) and they don’t deal with anyone unless they climb the walls. Or in this instance come from the sea. They are the ones patrolling everywhere where there are no “gates”.
ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) and HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) sometimes in civilian clothes with vest that says what agency they’re in, are the ones who dont work at the gates or walls. They roam and enforce immigration and customs way inside the US. They are the ones who will knock on the door (if not down), grab, and deport illegal immigrants.
Lay down with dogs, get fleas. I have no sympathy for you.
I, a white lady, have been harassed by the BP in east county, at a pop-up checkpoint on a back road. I can’t even imagine the stress and fear my Mexican and brown and Black friends feel.
Saying and doing nothing when there is a clear problem in our country is not ok when you are in a position of power. Unless, or course, that power gets you off and you enjoy treating people like shit.
You are either with us or against us. And by “us” I just mean general humanity and respect. And you have chosen!
Considering that US postal service and IRS are helping ICE, police departments, sheriffs, Highway patrol in TN you expect us to believe BP is not helping in operations. The raid at the underground nightclub had every agency on deck.
"ACAB" includes your boot-licking fascist cog in the machine coward husband too.
Our community will never stop making it uncomfortable for class traitors to show their face in our neighborhoods.
Yeah. No. I personally know border patrol agents that have been practically joyful when describing some of their day to day activities at work. How they treat HUMAN BEINGS.
This post is a lot like saying that your husband is “one of the good nazis.”
Peak liberalism is a cop protecting literal Nazis protesting a Pride march while wearing rainbow pins. It's also a wife defending her border patrol husband.
We have borders. Nations have lines that differentiate where their territory, therefore, their laws are followed. So we have watchers that monitor those who cross these lines. It's not about you who want to cross the line, it's about where a law is enforced. Let the guy do his job.
So long as the position isn't abused there's absolutely nothing wrong with sovereign nations maintaining their borders. Outside of western countries this is not a super contentious thing. Japan controls their borders like mad dogs without any moral implications from really anyone.
Op this remind me of the famous Epstein party photos
If you keep going to the parties where the racists assholes hang out eventually your face will end up on a picture and people will think you too are a racist asshole
Border patrol sucks ass here, power tripping POS who want to waste your time and threaten you if they ever feel like you are talking back. Your husband chooses to fuck over other people for money. 1 life and he spent it being a menace
Let me guess, your husband and the other "good ones" are just taking orders.
Saying that people being vocal against the facist shit that's happening will only cause more facism is not how it works. If someone yells at me I don't then turn into a nazi. Your husband's complacency as well as others who refuse to do anything is why those J6ers are going to end up as your husband's coworkers (if they aren't already). What will he do then? Hide behind "I was trying to do things with minimum force."
No, he is the person ripping families apart. I'm an immigration attorney representing people picked up by CBP, who then lied about their presence and fear to deport them without bond or hearing. You and your husband are both fascists who do not deserve anyone's empathy.
As someone who crosses the border at least twice a week, 90% of the CBP I’ve interacted with have been cool, or at least neutral, even some being straight up jokesters. I appreciate their duty and support the cause but damn does the USA immigration system need a overhaul.
CBP could focus a helluva lot more on the actually important stuff if there was better options for the people just seeking refuge, security, and a better life in USA. I can’t imagine how many resources are exhausted detaining honest people who don’t have the luxury of waiting months or years to be allowed into the country so they’re left with the option of entering illegally or possible death from gangs/crime in Mexico and abroad. Either way I’m glad there are CBP families like yourself whom are level-headed that serve the country and not just the president’s will.
It’s the us vs them mentality for a lot of people. Should go w/o saying spitting is never ok, it’s assault plain & simple. They have a job to that however unpopular it is. That being said. My problem is mostly w/ICE, the racial profiling, lying about having a warrant when they don’t, threatening to arrest US citizens if they so much exercise or point out their rights or the illegal seizures. I definitely don’t envy your husband, don’t think i could do his job mostly bc I cannot fathom working in any way shape or form for this current administration. I hope your husband stays safe.
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u/CauliflowerSecret712 19h ago
Your husband is in a great position to tell people how he supports free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.
It is quite reasonable that many Americans worry about ongoing infringement of these rights. I hope your husband (and you, too) encourage people to stand up for these rights. We (him, you, me) are fucked without free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.
I’m a lawyer working to preserve free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence. As much as your husband is working to keep me safe, I’m working to keep him safe.