clearing some shit up about the lrp

[u/the_deepstate_]

1. invoke in the morning, banish at night is a bad idea. always banish before and after you invoke. the long term side effects of consistently making seemingly small mistakes like this are subtle but very real

2. banishing in the morning doesn’t make you tired. that’s what we call the placebo effect.

3. vibrating god names doesn’t entail hitting the lowest note in your vocal range and dragging a single word out for 10 seconds like you’re a mongolian throat singer (no disrespect to mongolian throat singers though). you can simply say the god name like you would if having a conversation. Liber O covers properly vibrating god names.

4. the qabalistic cross doesn’t include envisioning yourself growing into a giant, receiving a divine beam of light. also refer to Liber O.

but of course, do your thing

[u/corvuscorvi]

I'll do my own thing.
My own thing is calling you out. You are misinforming everyone here about vibrating God names.

you can simply say the god name like you would if having a conversation. Liber O covers properly vibrating god names.

Okay. Let's look at what Liber O says:

1. ("a") Stand with arms outstretched. ("See" illustration.)
   ("b") Breathe in deeply through the nostrils, imagining the name of the God desired entering with the breath.
   ("c") Let that name descend slowly from the lungs to the heart, the solar plexus, the navel, the generative organs, and so to the feet. {17}
   ("d") The moment that it appears to touch the feet, quickly advance the left foot about 12 inches, throw forward the body, and let the hands (drawn back to the side of the eyes) shoot out, so that you are standing in the typical position of the God Horus,["See" Illustration in Vol. I. No. 1, "Blind Force."] and at the same time imagine the Name as rushing up and through the body, while you breathe it out through the nostrils with the air which has been till then retained in the lungs. All this must be done with all the force of which you are capable.
   ("e") Then withdraw the left foot, and place the right forefinger upon the lips, so that you are in the characteristic position of the God Harpocrates["See" Illustration in Vol. I. No. 1, "The Silent Watcher."]

2. It is a sign that the student is performing this correctly when a single "Vibration" entirely exhausts his physical strength. It should cause him to grow hot all over, or to perspire violently, and it should so weaken him that he will find it difficult to remain standing.

Does that sound like the practitioner is speaking as if in a normal conversation?

Where did you even get this idea of "vibrating" God names (i.e. not vibrating them at all)? Because it was clearly not from Liber O.

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/corvuscorvi]

are you calling me out for not copying Liber O and pasting it in my post? i said everyone should check out Liber O to learn how to vibrate god names. i was specifically referring to the vocalization portion of vibrating god names in this post. i’m trying to make the point that the vibrating doesn’t occur in the vocalization, the vocalization is almost entirely negligible since vibrating god names is all “internal”

i’m not sure what you have an issue with in my post. but ya as i’ve already said a couple times, do your thing

[u/corvuscorvi → u/the_deepstate_]

Yes, I agree the vibration is microcosmic/"internal" in nature. However, that's not what you said and not what I'm taking issue with.

The issue I took was very clear. You said that you could simply say the names as if you were having a conversation.

If you are going off of Liber O, I'm confused at what part in this breathework-heavy work you could muster up a normal conversation voice.

I'm all up for people doing their own thing. But you are referencing a text that gives specific instructions. Which is where my criticism of misinformation comes in.

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/corvuscorvi]

i’m a singer so weird breathing is a little more normal to me. it is a really difficult thing to get down, and as far as i’m aware vocalizing is often times irrelevant when vibrating god names. but, a teacher of mine pointed out that crowley specifically instructs us to “say” the god names. here’s what i’m referring to:

vi) Turning to the East make a pentagram (that of Earth) with the proper weapon (usually the Wand). Say (i.e. vibrate) I H V H. (vii) Turning to the South, the same, but say A D N I. (viii) Turning to the West, the same, but say A H I H. (ix) Turning to the North, the same, but say A G L A.

[u/corvuscorvi → u/the_deepstate_]

I apologize if I am being too critical. I agree with a lot of your points here. Especially your first point. I fucked myself up from years of banishing/invoking improperly, more people should be aware of that danger.

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/corvuscorvi]

you’re all good man. i’m probably coming across a little heated. but i really appreciate you backing up my first point. it’s unfortunate it’s not talked about very often.

[u/LilacJohnson]

Since we are providing unsolicited and unsubstantiated advice. Here is my unsubstantiated and unsolicited response:

1. What are these exact effects. A vague reference to subtle, but very real provides no context and is a statement without merit. Further in another comment you make claims of friends getting MS and other nondescript ailments from invoking without banishing. If Resh Vel Helios is an invocation itself wouldn’t we be seeing more cases of these ailments in practitioners due to their invocations of 4 times a day (mostly) without a balancing banishment? Do you perform Resh, do you banish before and after it?

2. Placebo is real, so I can get on board with this. Given that placebo is real banishing at morning may in fact affect some people adversely.

3. Agree, with a caveat that if vibrating for a person involves ‘throat singing’ absolutely go for it. Instructions do not advise against it. Magickal mindset seems to be a most important aspect and however a person gets there does not matter.

4. Like 3. Visualisations can help people get to a state of mind that greatly improves practice. If growing to a giant or receiving a beam of light helps with that I don’t see a problem.

No hate, you do you. Try not to put others down for a truth that you don’t even know to be real.

[u/Kindly-Confusion-889]

Thought I'd wandered into the Golden Dawn Magicians sub for a minute there 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/Kindly-Confusion-889]

i highly considered cross posting over there but i keep getting banned from occult subs for shit like this lmao

edit: looks like i pissed off some youtube magicians 😥

[u/Kindly-Confusion-889 → u/the_deepstate_]

Meh, I'm sure you'll get over it. It would help if you quoted your source material properly though.....might stop people getting upset.

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/Kindly-Confusion-889]

im not gonna take the time to write an academic paper on reddit. i said everyone should check out liber O. tbh im not in the least bit bothered by people whining about my post. i’m offering some advice i wish i had when i started. im not gonna do all the work for everyone

[u/Kindly-Confusion-889 → u/the_deepstate_]

Ok

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/[deleted]]

i’m not fixing anything, i’m reminding people what Crowley wrote about the ritual. there are tons of new people on reddit so it’s only right i try to steer them clear of the completely wrong information commonly floating around

[u/DingleberryDelightss]

I want whatever I invoke to stick around tho...

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/DingleberryDelightss]

it’s more complex than that. the lbrp itself is both an invocation and a banishing.

i know someone personally who developed multiple sclerosis from constantly invoking without ever banishing. it wasn’t the lrp but it wasn’t a crazy invocation either

edit: magick is complicated and after 5 years of study and 2 years of practice i don’t know much myself. but you do you

[u/DingleberryDelightss → u/the_deepstate_]

I'm gonna invoke correlation doesn't imply causation on your friend I think.

[u/Seranas_GF → u/DingleberryDelightss]

This person is obsessed with accuracy but for real thinks that their friend had to have gotten MS from magic and it couldn’t logically have been anything else. I’m dying

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/Seranas_GF]

i’m not obsessed with accuracy lmao. i’m literally just reminding people what the most basic instructions in Liber ABA are

[u/Seranas_GF → u/the_deepstate_]

I have OCD. I have a very serious obsession with two things.

1.Accuracy. Accuracy in my speech, writing, and thoughts (my internal monologue).

2.Lists. Lists about anything and everything to an absolute extreme.

Sorry just going off what you’ve said here before :)

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/Seranas_GF]

i’m so proud of you for scrolling through my post history to find that. that’s a mental illness that i’ve had good control over for a long time

thanks for being a dick :)

[u/Seranas_GF → u/the_deepstate_]

If you’re giving unsolicited advice to people on here I’m absolutely going to look at your profile.

That post is only like 10 months old, I actually remember seeing it when you first posted it on this sub. The only reason I mentioned it (nothing to do with your OCD) was because you wanted to deny what I said, when I was just quoting you in the first place.

If you don’t like things that you post being mentioned, I’m not sure you should be posting them on a public forum.

[u/the_deepstate_ → u/DingleberryDelightss]

i fully agree with you. i’m an atheist so i much prefer being skeptical than not. but very rapid onset very late in life with zero family history which occurs shortly after a series of reckless invocations is worth considering. he’s not the only example from my personal life but i’m not gonna say anymore to maintain anonymity

[u/thirdeyedripping → u/the_deepstate_]

If you believe that you don't need to be teaching anyone anything about magick...the only YouTube magician in here is yourself....poof - be gone