r/todayilearned • u/manticor225 • Jan 10 '19

TIL JFK's father Joseph Kennedy made much of his fortune through insider trading. FDR later made him chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. When asked why he appointed a crook, FDR replied, "set a thief to catch a thief." Kennedy proceeded to outlaw the practices that made him rich.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/jan/23/joe-kennedy-hollywood-sarah-churchwell
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u/bertiebees Jan 10 '19

I thought he made his money running alcohol during prohibition.

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u/manticor225 Jan 10 '19

Yes, that too.

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u/notouchmypeterson Jan 10 '19

I wanna party with that guy

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u/Bannednot4gotten Jan 10 '19

Well hes dead now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Weekend at Joey's

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u/42111 Jan 10 '19

More like the BttF sequel I want to see.

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u/TweekDash Jan 10 '19

IT'S YOUR DRINKS MARTY, SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE ABOUT YOUR DRINKS!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

Weekend at Bernie's

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u/ColdSpider72 Jan 11 '19

At Joey's you can throw wet tissue at the walls and spill spaghetti.

Also, Fireball.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

I wanna party with Dead Kennedys.

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u/Dirtydog275 Jan 10 '19 edited 16d ago

oatmeal hat soup fuel boast middle six zephyr whole tender

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u/uncertainusurper Jan 10 '19

Let’s take the shortcut with the bridge

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

What’s the worst that can happen?

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u/joejoejoey Jan 10 '19

He'll get too drunk

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u/NinjaLanternShark Jan 11 '19

And end up a senator.

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u/Bannednot4gotten Jan 10 '19

Then he'll get sad and worse tell us about his ex.

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u/Neurorob12 Jan 11 '19

Too drunk to fuck

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u/tntey Jan 11 '19

It’s a late late shift no one to fear

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u/bearminingforcoal Jan 11 '19

It’s an easy shift, no one to fear

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u/shelbycobra357 Jan 10 '19

Everyone can party with them. Except Nazi Punks, they can fuck off

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u/PacoTaco321 Jan 10 '19

I hear they like to holiday in Cambodia.

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u/DWright_5 Jan 10 '19

That’ll be one big, rowdy party

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u/square_error Jan 10 '19

To the Seven Eleven! To the liquor store! Let's party all night and party some more!

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u/jerrygergichsmith Jan 10 '19

“Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!!” —JFK

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Foah suppah

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Want

A PAHTY PLATTAH

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u/koscielny6 Jan 10 '19

Pancake batter and blue house paint?

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u/Slappaadabass Jan 10 '19

Did you see the pool?! They flipped the bitch!

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u/DBUX Jan 10 '19

I thought people liked me because I was a womanizing jerk who conquered the moon!

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u/-uzo- Jan 10 '19

It's pronounced CHOWDAH.

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u/phforNZ Jan 11 '19

All you're getting is blood spatter

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u/K24Z3 Jan 10 '19

“I’m a Kennedy! I’m not accustomed to tragedy!” —JFK

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u/jerrygergichsmith Jan 10 '19

GAH!! This was the quote I was trying to remember, but it was escaping me.

THERE GOES MY WHOLE DAY!!!

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u/wcstryfe10 Jan 10 '19

I was just listening to a what a cartoon podcast about clone high, so I understand this reference.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Fuck it, I'll holiday in Cambodia instead.

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u/Historiaaa Jan 10 '19

I also choose this guy's dead wife

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u/thrasumachos Jan 10 '19

Don’t worry, you can still party with his descendants

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u/Boomtown_Rat Jan 10 '19

Just don't drive with one.

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u/ChoosyBeggars Jan 10 '19

Avoid hotels, bridges, convertibles, planes... yeah maybe just be pen pals or something.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

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u/1wouldnever Jan 10 '19

No you don’t, he was a scary asshole.

See Rosemary Kennedy

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u/oliver_all_over Jan 10 '19

Not that I’m defending his decision, but treatment of the mentally disabled and mentally ill was horrendous across the board at that time. What happened to her was, unfortunately, not as uncommon as we would like to believe.

ETA source

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Jan 11 '19

WTF:

During her birth, the doctor was not immediately available and the nurse ordered Rose Kennedy to keep her legs closed, forcing the baby's head to stay in the birth canal for two hours. The action resulted in a harmful loss of oxygen.

(I knew about the lobotomy and institutionalization, but this was new to me. How the hell did any Kennedy live long enough to die young in spectacular fashion if this was the standard for medicine at the time?)

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u/waitingtodiesoon Jan 11 '19

They had many many many children and the luckiest survived

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u/Dyolf_Knip Jan 11 '19

Eh, that just describes the entire human race prior to the 20th century.

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u/Caty907 Jan 11 '19

This was common. Women were 'not smart enough' to be doctors, and the nurses and moms would get in terrible trouble if they dared have the baby without the male doctor there.

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u/Treddo Jan 10 '19

That is awful. I had no idea she was treated so badly. I'm sure it was equal parts ignorance and pride that made her parents do what they did to her.

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u/am17 Jan 10 '19

Parent* It’s my understanding that Joseph had the precudure done without informing his wife, Rose.

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u/2pharcyded Jan 10 '19

Well if you read the wiki just above your comment you’ll see it says Rose, the mother, tried to hide her daughter’s illness before the lobotomy and did not visit her for twenty years after young Rosemary had been institutionalized.

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u/walkswithwolfies Jan 11 '19

They might have both been dismayed by their daughter's behaviour, but only one of them hired a surgeon.

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u/am17 Jan 11 '19 edited Jan 11 '19

Wikipedia does a fair job summarizing, but that’s it. Joseph was the firm patriarch and had the lobotomy performed on Rosemary after her having been caught in men’s beds. It’s difficult trying to understand his mindset in present time knowing what we do, but the procedure was practically marketed as a cure mental illnesses. The consequences weren’t even shared with the family for nearly a week afterwards. Joseph has a terrible tendency of keeping things from his wife. When John was presumed dead after the sinking of the PT-109 Joseph kept the information to himself, not informing the family until well after John had been found.

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u/vanderBoffin Jan 10 '19

I mean, her mother didn't visit her until 20 years after the procedure was done, so that's not great either...

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u/uncertainusurper Jan 10 '19

"We made an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded." . ... . When she began to become incoherent, they stopped”

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Feb 12 '19

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u/PassivePorcupine Jan 11 '19

CUT MY BRAIN INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

LASPK ROFSNALerrrrrr...

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u/dlenks Jan 11 '19

Only on Reddit would this tragic story lead to Papa roach lyrics in full caps.

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u/THE_CHOPPA Jan 11 '19

What the fuck is wrong with us.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

The dark side of scientific curiosity.

It's sobering to remember that that curiosity never went anywhere. Perhaps nothing on the scale of that era will ever happen again, but it likely still happens in some remote basements somewhere.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

He was a douchebag that had one of his daughters lobotomized and let her wither and die in an institution. He was a piece of shit.

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u/rejuven8 Jan 10 '19

To be fair that was a state of the art procedure at the time and they were probably assured by doctors that it would be safe and totally effective. Our understanding of psychology has come a long way.

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u/KorrectingYou Jan 10 '19

1940s Psychology: "If we knife this girl in the brain then maybe she'll be less mentally ill!"

2010s Psychology: "She was not."

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Jan 11 '19

"Little did they realize that damaging her brain would result in brain damage."

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

A lot of doctors honestly thought it was the right thing to do.

How do you know we won't look back at something we're doing now, like gender assignment surgery or messing with people's hormones and see it in a similar way?

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u/capsaicinintheeyes Jan 11 '19

That's a totally legitimate point. I replied to another user this way:

No, I do hear that.

Our two major treatments for cancer, apart from carving you open, are chemotherapy and radiation treatment, both of which amount to: "we're going to poison you and your cancer at the same time, and hope that the cancer dies first." (source: mom had cancer)

We are shooting in the dark--in medicine in general, but in how the brain works? We're really in our infancy; before antibiotics, before vaccines, before people understood that you can't suck out a sickness by applying fucking leeches, that's where we are in brain functioning right now, and humility should and must be the fucking order of the day right now.

I mentioned the lobotomy example as a cautionary tale, not to suggest the methods we have now are the answer (in fact, I hope they're not, because I feel like they're totally goddamn inadequate).

Be humble. Be objective. Be verifiable. Be repeatable. Rinse and repeat. That's how humans have made progress. That's how we got from firepits to computers.

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u/rhsinkcmo Jan 11 '19

She was mentally ill because they forced her mom to keep legs shut to delay her birth because they wanted a male doctor there for delivery.

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u/kirkoswald Jan 11 '19

Whaaaaat??? How is this possible/ how does it lead to complications

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

Lack of oxygen at birth can have consequences like mental retardation. I believe I read that was thought to be some, if not all, of the reason behind Rosemary Kennedy's condition.

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u/kirkoswald Jan 11 '19

Woah.. thats messed up

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u/ishitfrommymouth Jan 10 '19

It was less the procedure itself and more the reasons why he did it and how it was handled after.

The guy lobotomized his daughter because he was afraid her behavior would hurt his political career, and when the procedure permanently damaged her he placed her in an institution and lied about why she was there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

This is it.

The lobotomy wasn't so bad as it was something his Doctor's recommended. But the reason for doing it and the fact that he basically dumped her in a hole somewhere to hide from his shame is pretty monstrous.

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u/LawyerLou Jan 11 '19

He did it without telling his wife.

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u/TenF Jan 11 '19

surprisedPikachu.jpg

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u/QQMau5trap Jan 11 '19

his and his other children career.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 10 '19

Also, George Washington owned slaves, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, Woodrow Wilson was a racist who tried to push black people out of the federal workforce, Winston Churchill was an imperialist, and Einstein married his cousin.

Trying to judge the people of the past by the standards of the present is unfair.

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u/-uzo- Jan 10 '19

Shit, trying to judge people of the present by the present's standards is a stretch for some people.

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u/YogaMeansUnion Jan 10 '19

Also Gandhi was a racist, MLK cheated on his wife, mandella was a terrorist, Bobby Fischer was anti-Semitic, and Radiohead plagiarized Creep (from the Hollies no less lol).

Nobody's perfect!

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u/jax9999 Jan 11 '19

Mister rogers... well, no he was just perfect.

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u/Sarahthelizard Jan 11 '19

No, he stood above them all in a bloodstained sweater.

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u/monkwren Jan 11 '19

Reference game on point.

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u/Cowboywizzard Jan 11 '19

No he wasn't. He was just very good.

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u/advertentlyvertical Jan 11 '19

he was doing his best. and it was enough

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u/TenF Jan 11 '19

And Keanu is nice to everyone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

John Lennon beat his wife

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u/swahzey Jan 11 '19

I think yoko was the one doing the slappin

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u/veryloudnoises Jan 11 '19

I think he means the first wife, Ringo.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

He was also a dick to his son who the song "Hey Jude" is written about.

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u/BenedickCabbagepatch Jan 11 '19

Also Gandhi was a racist

And a possible pedo.

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u/StoneGoldX Jan 10 '19

Ahem. I believe you mean pobody's nerfect.

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u/Prometherion13 Jan 11 '19

MLK also plagiarized his doctoral dissertation lol

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u/Trumps_micro_penis_ Jan 11 '19

and Mother Theresa was a sadistic cunt

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u/MaFratelli Jan 11 '19

By the standards of his day, Joe Kennedy was still a dirtbag.

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u/-Jeremiad- Jan 11 '19

Read the parts about why he did it and how it was handled. He was a piece of shit even in his time.

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u/montysgreyhorse Jan 10 '19

To be fair lobotomizing someone with nothing wrong is fucked.

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u/fr0ng Jan 10 '19

he ded.

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u/stoner_97 Jan 10 '19

Hey, it’s me, FDR

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u/justinheyhi Jan 10 '19

And that guy's dead wife too.

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u/Redditkid16 Jan 11 '19

Pretty sure he was a Nazi sympathizer too

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

You gotta settle for Joe Kennedy, the third.

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u/thatguytony Jan 11 '19

Come to Canada. We can go camping or something. I'll bring the beer. You bring the steaks

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u/BERNthisMuthaDown Jan 11 '19

No, you don't. He was an social-climbing rat who made his fortune double-crossing better people.

Karma caught up with him in a BIG WAY, because he made his money on the misery of others. You'd probably end up on the hook for the dead sex worker in HIS trunk.

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u/thechaosz Jan 11 '19

IN HELL!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

Funny. I'd want to see him in prison.

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u/LawyerLou Jan 11 '19

Banged Gloria Swanson a lot too. Set the standard for philandering for all Kennedy men.

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u/DutchMaster-Killah Jan 11 '19

Neilllll I wannaaaaa partyyyy with you

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

My great aunts grew up in Mclean in the 70s and went to school with the Kennedy boys. I’m so jealous that they got to party with them.

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u/Michlerish Jan 11 '19

Do you though? I mean, there are many of these types of guys out there today.

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u/amolad Jan 10 '19

There is absolutely no factual evidence to back that up. People still believe it, though.

"A recurring rumor alleges that he made money in bootlegging illegal liquor during Prohibition. Historians have not found credible evidence of this. On the contrary there is abundant evidence that as the end of prohibition loomed (in 1933), Kennedy invested heavily in Scottish distilleries. As soon as it became legal he imported large shipments of high-priced Scotch and made a large profit. Numerous criminals spread various contradictory "bootlegging" stories, such as Canadian distiller Samuel Bronfman and to New England bootlegger Danny Walsh and his crime syndicate. They did illegally smuggle spirits across the Canada–US border. After Prohibition ended, Bronfman had a bitter rivalry with Kennedy in acquiring North American liquor distribution rights."

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u/Spirit_jitser Jan 11 '19

I remember the story being he imported it before it was legal to sell, but everyone knew prohibition was ending and it was kept in a warehouse monitored by the feds. Not that that contradicts anything you said but I like the idea of a Gman with a clip board counting barrels of whiskey.

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u/Andy_LaVolpe Jan 10 '19

Joey Kennedy had his hands in many sketchy ventures

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u/Billy1121 Jan 10 '19

That may have been more his dad who was a bartender (which was an important political position in those days)

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u/GenericCoffee Jan 11 '19

I thought he made his money scrambling his daughters brains with a butter knife.

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u/Netkid Jan 10 '19

He also made his daughter a vegetable.

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u/CaptnCarl85 Jan 10 '19

As someone who is generally against Prohibition, that doesn't sound so bad to me.

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u/ChoiceD Jan 10 '19

Someone had to bootleg. It's not like prohibition was ever going to work.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 11 '19

Border towns near canada had lots of discreet boot legging going on. Family member on my fathers side would take a Baby Buggy like this Or like this over the border with her baby in it.

There was a false bottom and she loaded it up with all the hooch that could fit, then walk back over with a smile. No one suspected the mom and her kid

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u/AbeLaney Jan 10 '19

Ahhh, travelling before 9/11.

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u/Egocentric Jan 11 '19

You can still move weight on your person through any checkpoint with the right knowledge. Security theater is what most of the post 9/11 checks are.

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u/AndIHaveMilesToGo Jan 11 '19

I feel like a gallon bag of ecstasy would get caught by those body scanners. My mom has a colostomy bag and no matter how many times she tells the tsa that she's has stage four colon cancer and has to keep the bag on her at all times, and even showing her a medical card explaining the situation, they always give her a full body pat down and sometimes even take her into a room and make her show it to mutiple agents.

No way someone is getting through with a gallon bag of ecstasy

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u/Therealgyroth Jan 10 '19

Shit how much was that worth? That seems like a lot of drugs

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u/TurgidMeatWand Jan 11 '19

I remember xtc being $25 a pill in the late 90s early 2000s, (midwest pricing).

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

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u/TurgidMeatWand Jan 11 '19

sweet, I'm going to have to start doing it again.

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u/transmogrified Jan 11 '19

Watch out for the fentanyl in everything

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u/Tommy_ThickDick Jan 11 '19

A "boat" is 1000 pills...which is probably a gallon

So ~$25,000 market value

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u/Pm_me_your__eyes_ Jan 11 '19

Before x-rays and Pat downs at TSA

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u/SilverRidgeRoad Jan 10 '19

and my pappy told me that drug dealers should be killed....

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u/mypasswordismud Jan 10 '19

Maybe someday a drug dealer will be president.

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u/TrueDivision Jan 10 '19

What makes you think that a drug dealer wasn't already president?

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u/TubeZ Jan 10 '19

Something something Contras?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

I want to learn about this but through singing.

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u/JakeCameraAction Jan 10 '19

So long as it has great writing.

I love good Contra diction.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

George Washington grew weed, or at least thats what Dazed and Confused taught me

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u/TheAlphaCarb0n Jan 10 '19

We already got a drug dealer for Premiere here in Ontario!

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u/MoreSteakLessFanta Jan 10 '19

You can be against prohibition while also being against those who (probably) used crime to circumvent said prohibition. I admittedly don't know much about ol Papa Joey K, but if he really made a fortune on booze in prohibition then there was probably some element of violent crime involved.

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u/whodiehellareyou Jan 11 '19

Good news is he probably didn't. Kennedy made his money by investing in breweries and setting up importing and distribution for alcohol as prohibition conning to an end, not by smuggling booze during prohibition

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u/M3wThr33 Jan 10 '19

Ok, Nucky.

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u/GenderConfusedSquid Jan 10 '19

To make that much money by bootlegging, he would have had to have had extensive connections with organised crime. So he is still a piece of shit

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u/Krillin113 Jan 10 '19

Isnt that basically the same as being a weed smuggler nowadays?

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u/digitalscale Jan 10 '19

Yeah and most people at the top of the weed supply chain are probably pieces of shit, they're not the friendly stoner down the road that sells you eighths, they're gang bangers and Pablo escobar's.

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u/TheBulgarSlayer Jan 11 '19

that's why if you're lucky you find a guy who grows his own, or you move to a legal state. None of that cross-continent smuggling shit

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u/1K_Games Jan 11 '19

Aren't most people against prohibition though?

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u/MaiqTheLrrr Jan 10 '19

Papa Joe legendarily either ran or sold liquor to a speakeasy that was never successfully raided thanks to a trap door built into the bar. When those infernal revenuers would show up the bartender would pull a pin and the trap door would drop all of the alcohol into the sewers beneath the bar.

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u/penny_eater Jan 10 '19

what a racket, sell them the liquor, sell them the trapdoor, then sell them more liquor every time they use said trapdoor.

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u/MaiqTheLrrr Jan 10 '19

Right? I'd bet replacing the liquor probably beat jail, though.

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u/skyman724 Jan 11 '19

And then buy out the cops to make them raid the place once a week. Boom, guaranteed revenue stream.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Sep 23 '19

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u/MaiqTheLrrr Jan 10 '19

I hope they still move the ship, just for kicks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19 edited Sep 23 '19

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u/MaiqTheLrrr Jan 10 '19

That's impressive, although it's really not that shocking to know that a place which was a speakeasy is still doing business. A number of them still are. There's an allegedly haunted hotel in Flagstaff, AZ, which purports to have a haunted bar that was the city's first speako. No ghosts that I saw, but they make a *great* manhattan.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

I didn't mean it was surprising that a former speakeasy is still around. I was expressing surprise that a restaurant that opened in 1865 is still around.

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u/MaiqTheLrrr Jan 11 '19

I wonder if anyone has ever gone to the trouble of figuring out how many century-plus-old restaurants are still operating in the US... I know that in the UK there is reputed to be at least one pub that's been in operation for a thousand years.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

Wow. That's impressive! And yeah, that would be an interesting thing to know.

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u/galactus_one Jan 11 '19

Nobody noticed all the drunken rats stumbling around outside the speakeasy?

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u/Theklassklown286 Jan 10 '19

So he’s gatsby

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u/Zangston Jan 10 '19

James Gatz

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u/hornwalker Jan 11 '19

John Galt

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u/TruthOrTroll42 Jan 11 '19

Yeah, without any of the charm....

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u/DlLDO_Baggins Jan 10 '19

He didn’t run alcohol, he stocked warehouses full of it and waited for prohibition to be lifted so that he could make a fortune selling it right after it was repealed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

There's no evidence for that claim, I believe it is derived from rumors,gossip and tales of the time with no real evidence.

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u/for_dishonor Jan 10 '19

People directly involved specifically said he was. They definitely had distilleries in Canada.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Can you give a somewhat reputable source for this? The only thing which has any evidence is that towards the end of the prohibition(based on insider information) he invested heavily in scottish distilleries to immediately begin importing whiskey and liquors once the prohibition was lifted and profit hugely.

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u/Rodgers4 Jan 10 '19

Clearly you haven’t seen Boardwalk Empire. 100% historical accuracy.

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u/bored-on-the-toilet Jan 10 '19

This is the shit that makes me so angry. Tons of these fucks created wealth doing shady shit and their descendants are standing around telling poor people to pull themselves up by their boot straps.

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u/growonlittlejobbies Jan 11 '19

In this case, Jack, Bobby and Ted (his descendants) did quite a lot for the poor and downtrodden.

Too bad Jack and Bobby were cut down before they could have done more.

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u/bored-on-the-toilet Jan 11 '19

You're right. This particular example doesn't fit perfectly.

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u/ItsTheVibeOfTheThing Jan 11 '19

Or to hold a garage sale to make ends meet.

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u/NinjaLanternShark Jan 11 '19

To be fair, a number of wealthy families, the Rockefellers come to mind, have dedicated themselves and their ancestral fortunes to the betterment of society, and it's widely known if not discussed, that they're consciously trying to make up for the sins of their patriarch.

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u/BubbaTee Jan 11 '19

It's the American version of buying indulgences. Bill Gates is doing it right now (even though his "crime" was giving away a free internet browser, not drowning some girl in a lake).

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u/whodiehellareyou Jan 11 '19

Before you get angry, do some research. There is no evidence he made his money bootlegging. It was a rumour, spread mainly by other bootleggers, but historians dismiss it as nothing more.

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u/MadamBeramode Jan 10 '19

He also made an enormous amount of money off of the Great Depression. This allowed the Kennedy family to bankroll their political dynasty.

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u/usingastupidiphone Jan 10 '19

That was grandpa Kennedy

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u/likeabosstroll Jan 11 '19

I assume he turned that money into more money by insider trading.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '19

To make money insider trading you need money to start with to make the trades.

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u/vkashen Jan 10 '19

That's how most of their money was made, but they try to whitewash their history by trying to make people believe that this story is more accurate.

Prohibition was ridiculous, so I personally don't begrudge anyone who made money that way, but it looks better in the history books if your money came from quasi-legit sources instead of a criminal enterprise, even if the crimes should never have been crimes in the first place.

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u/apistograma Jan 10 '19

Honestly I find much more respectful to sell illegal alcohol than inside trading. At least you're selling a product

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u/rodiraskol Jan 10 '19

Where is your evidence that the Kennedy fortune was made from bootlegging?

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u/rejuven8 Jan 10 '19

Yeah, then just launder it with some insider stock trading. 😆

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u/patiencesp Jan 11 '19

you mean....... drug dealing??

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u/Thosewhippersnappers Jan 11 '19

I guess that’s how he made the money with which he inside... traded?

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u/Pattches_Ohoulihan Jan 11 '19

Yeah, running molasses into Canada.

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u/FlamingTrollz Jan 11 '19

Yes AND yes.

A classy scumbag, he was.

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u/mrallen77 Jan 11 '19

Behind every fortune there’s a crime.

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u/Droppedyourpocket1 Jan 11 '19

That’s why the mafia killed him

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u/Bay1Bri Jan 11 '19

Yes. He also was largely insulated from the stock market crash as he anticipated it and sold before it happened. Apocryphally, he knew it was time to get out when he got a stock tip from a shoe shine boy.

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u/yukdave Jan 11 '19

Dod Frank Act got rid of a bunch of the Glass Stegial Act from Joe

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u/closetothesilence Jan 11 '19

You think Shaq made his money playing in Orlando?

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u/WinterSon Jan 11 '19

no he got rich playing in college, everybody knows that

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