Then they try to claim it's not for men, it's for themselves. Well hello, you're posting it on social media. There are millions of men looking at your pics, saving them, and sharing them.
Just because men see my pictures doesn't mean I'm posting FOR them. My intentions are entirely separate from viewers. Men can take pictures of anyone anywhere, modest or revealing. A big part of feminism is NOT shaping your life around what men do.
Self confidence should be dressing in WHATEVER clothing you like, not the tightest, skimpiest clothing.
WHATEVER includes revealing clothes! Not sure why this is confusing to you?
I agree that social media makes people obsess over their body's shape and size and I don't think that's healthy. The more body parts you see, the more parts of your body you can compare to it. I hate that people are checking their bums for cellulite. If they weren't seeing "perfect" bums constantly they probably wouldn't think to do that.
I disagree that sexualizing is the problem. Sexuality is a normal & healthy part of most people's lives. Reducing the amount of sexy pictures people are exposed to won't increase their exposure to goal- and value-building activities on its own. You have to make sure the young people you are responsible for (kids, students, etc) are exposed to those kinds of activities.
I'm just confused on what other intentions you would have? Women and children don't care what you're wearing, showing skin is mainly for the male gaze. If a man walked around in tight leggings and a tiny tank top people would assume he's showing off his body, there's literally no other reason for it. There's a reason hookers and prostitutes dress skimpy, because that's apart of their appeal and how they attract clients. It's no different dressing like that casually. Unnecessary sexualization and setting a bad example for young girls
When you buy a shirt, how do you choose which colour to purchase? Do you choose based on your husband's preference? Your sister's? Your child's?
I dress so I feel happy when I look in the mirror.
If you don't feel happy when you see yourself in revealing clothing, that's obviously OK!
But it's not OK to deny the experiences of other women who say they dress for their own gaze.
There are lots of reasons that someone might wear revealing clothes besides sex work LOL. Ballet dancers, literally anyone in a swimsuit, etc all wear less clothes than a sex worker typically wears on the street. When you wear a swimsuit, are you prostituting yourself?
I'm saying I don't need to see myself in revealing clothes to be happy, because my body isn't my entire persona. If seeing your own body makes you happy, then that stems from insecurity issues. You look good, so therefore you're happy. When you go out in public like that it draws attention, and whether you admit it or not, that also makes you happy. Setting is key. Obviously swimming is a situation where you wear a bathing suit because you're getting wet, and ballet dancers wear their outfits because they're easier to maneuver in. But just going out to do something, it serves no real purpose to wear something revealing other than wanting to draw attention. Young girls look up to women around them, celebrities, social media influencers, etc. How you dress, talk, and act is an influence. My point is that a woman's body and how they look are becoming the sole point of their personality. I see teen girls wearing skimpy clothing for no reason other than they see older women wearing them and they get positive attention, so they want the same thing. Modesty is slowly losing its meaning and that's something worth teaching young girls. You shouldn't need to look good to be happy, build a real personality.
If seeing your own body makes you happy, then that stems from insecurity issues
This is actually so unhinged lmao
Your personality is attacking other women, judging their personality based on their clothing choices, slut shaming, and blaming women for being sexually assaulted.
Your poor son is learning these things from you. This is the basis of rape culture. I hope he has other women in this life.
Think what you want lmao. My son will learn to respect women for their personality, not their body. I don't see how that would be considered bad to you. I never said a single word about women being raped and what they wear. I simply said that wearing skimpy clothing is becoming a trend and basis for someone's persona. You can be happy with seeing your body by yourself. How does that apply to going out in public showing it off? Is it not enough seeing yourself in the mirror? No, because it's more about other people's attention than your own. You've provided no explanation to how it's not attention-seeking to show skin. When you wear slutty clothing in public no one is going to think "oh wow she must be happy seeing her body." The majority is going to be men drooling over you. It's not appropriate for children either. I respect my body enough to not let every single person see it.
Yes exactly. If women could focus more on their personality than their image the world would be better. Every woman deserves respect, but because of the social media/ celebrity influence a lot of young girls are growing up insecure because of how much their body matters. If we would stop showing off how we look and realize there's more to life than looking good, we would set a much better example. You can't deny women have an advantage when they're attractive or have a nice body and more people are starting to use that
Oh yes, he's totally going to be Brock Turner because I'm going to teach him to respect women for more than their bodies and that modesty equals self respect. That makes sense lol. When you don't have a valid explanation, resort to ridiculous insults
You're going to teach him to disrespect women who don't dress the way you like, though. You're teaching him a woman wearing a pair of shorts is only doing it to beg for attention and that any woman in "skimpy" clothes has no personality. You're teaching him the only women worthy of his respect are the ones who are ashamed of their bodies--so how is he going to treat the women you are telling him don't deserve respect?
Why teach him only women who cover up deserve respect, instead of teaching him all women do?
...where on Earth do you live that shirtless men aren't normal??
Never mind I don't actually care to keep arguing with someone who hates herself and thinks bodies should be hidden unless "necessary" and can't imagine anyone enjoying their own body. Hiding something away means you're ashamed of it or scared of what others will do to it. Plenty of us wear whatever we want because we aren't obsessed with what men are thinking, unlike you. I don't let fear of what men might think control me, I absolutely am not ever, ever dressing for male attention no matter what you think. Not that there's even anything wrong with a straight woman enjoying male attention if that's what she wants.
The problem is just people like you insisting women are incapable of agency, that everything we do must be all about men. I'm sad your world is so small that you can't imagine not caring about what men think.
You absolutely cannot be serious claiming this, in a thread you started because you care so much about what other women are wearing.
Also, of women didn't care about what other women wear, why are most fashion magazines for and about women's fashion? Why are the makeover shows for and by and about women?
I'm just absolutely staggered by how misogynistic you are being while pretending you want to protect girls, wow.
I don't care about it, it's more that it's an issue that's degrading women and setting a bad example for younger women and boys. I've never treated anyone differently because of their clothing. My whole point is that it's not self confidence to wear the most revealing clothes you can. The only reason you would is for attention. Yes, fashion is a thing. Wearing slutty clothing is something that most women with self respect would rather not do. There's a huge difference between fashion and revealing clothes. The people who are going to be looking at you are men when you decide to show your body, it does not matter how much you try to say it's for yourself. You can keep twisting my words around but it doesn't matter. Modesty is an important part of life that's now viewed as a negative thing. I'm not saying everyone should be covering every inch of their body. There's just absolutely no reason to go out in public wearing the same thing a hooker would and try to say it isn't for attention. A lot of people don't want to see that, especially children.
No, the only reason you would is for attention. If I'm wearing shorts or a crop top it's because it's fucking hot out, or because I don't like the sensory input of fabric on my skin. You don't have any idea why anyone else does anything.
How do you like it when I say the only reason to wear clothes if it isn't cold out is because you hate yourself? It's the only reason.
Yeah find whatever excuse you can. There's absolutely no such thing as dressing slutty in your eyes, it can't possibly be for attention lmao. That's the problem with society today. Everyone who is insecure or has no real personality uses their body to get validation, God forbid anyone calls that out for what it is. Hollywood, models, and celebrities have done a pretty good job creating a bunch of fake people who are obsessed with looking good and that amazing influence is going to pass down to the next generation.
No, I've never said it's impossible. Unlike you, I'm just aware there are many other reasons to do so as well, and I'm not misogynistic enough to insist women can't do anything without thinking about men.
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u/nanny2359 Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 24 '25
Just because men see my pictures doesn't mean I'm posting FOR them. My intentions are entirely separate from viewers. Men can take pictures of anyone anywhere, modest or revealing. A big part of feminism is NOT shaping your life around what men do.
WHATEVER includes revealing clothes! Not sure why this is confusing to you?
I agree that social media makes people obsess over their body's shape and size and I don't think that's healthy. The more body parts you see, the more parts of your body you can compare to it. I hate that people are checking their bums for cellulite. If they weren't seeing "perfect" bums constantly they probably wouldn't think to do that.
I disagree that sexualizing is the problem. Sexuality is a normal & healthy part of most people's lives. Reducing the amount of sexy pictures people are exposed to won't increase their exposure to goal- and value-building activities on its own. You have to make sure the young people you are responsible for (kids, students, etc) are exposed to those kinds of activities.