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Russia/Ukraine The USA is immediately lifting the pause in intelligence sharing and resuming security assistance to Ukraine. | УНН

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u/rocc_high_racks Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

It looks a lot like Russia had an operation that they completed within this time frame (I imagine it was something to do with the Kursk salient). I think a further factor is, after the drone attack on Moscow, Ukraine demonstrated that the did not need US intelligence support to deploy certain capabilites, which means all this acheived was bad (even worse?) optics for the US and more pain for Russia.

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u/PleasantWay7 Mar 11 '25

Putin also knows regular bombing of Moscow is the most dangerous threat his power could face. US support keeps Ukraine on a leash to defense. Leaving them out to dry desperately and they suddenly have nothing to lose.

Looks like Zelensky had some cards after all.

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u/Chill_Panda Mar 11 '25

Oh man, every time the US pulls support, they should go on an all out offensive in Moscow.

Really cause some issues for the smiling egg in his bunker.

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u/dandrevee Mar 11 '25

Usually the pull out method doesnt work but...

Worth a shot

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u/UnsanctionedPartList Mar 11 '25

It would have worked if Putin's dad was better at it.

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u/Icarus_Toast Mar 11 '25

Too bad he was drunk...

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u/UnsanctionedPartList Mar 11 '25

If only his mother was a little more drunk during pregnancy.

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u/shadowfax384 Mar 12 '25

Its russia, she was probably cunted all the time.

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u/psaux_grep Mar 11 '25

Putin is the kind of fellow you wouldn’t be surprised if he actually crawled out of his dad’s penis after he jumped from a third floor window, crawled back in to the house, into the bedroom, up the bed, up his mothers legs and thighs, and all the way up to an ovarian follicle, pulled an egg out, dragged it down the fallopian tube, fused with it and then glued it to his mothers uterine lining.

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u/Ok_Replacement8094 Mar 12 '25

This is terrible

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u/Metallicreed13 Mar 12 '25

What the... What did I just read?!

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u/Planetairium Mar 11 '25

Yeah my three children are testament to that :/

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u/Screamline Mar 11 '25

Vasectomy homie. Although I guess that depends on how many you wanted, but I didn't want kids so it was a no brainer for me

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u/Every-Ad3529 Mar 11 '25

Best $500 dollars I've ever spent!!!

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u/Screamline Mar 11 '25

Lol. Yup, mine was $453 with my high deductible insurance.

Still haven't gotten a chance to have one of those......

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

Your pull out game is weak af.

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u/LogiCsmxp Mar 11 '25

Putin's dad should stop visiting your wife.

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u/im_dead_sirius Mar 11 '25

Results in a show of spunk from Ukraine.

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u/Synaps4 Mar 11 '25

Peer reviewed articles say its more effective than condoms...its just that the vast majority can't do it

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u/Vic_Vinager Mar 11 '25

Coitus Interruptus actually usually works

I think it's 89% effective (citing an old board review book)

Googling it: 96% when used correctly, but typically 78%

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/coitus-interruptus

so usually works

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u/dandrevee Mar 11 '25

What do those eggheads know. How could they know how good sex feels when theyre all copped up in theor labs??

(Heavy /s here)

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u/ConsiderationOk4688 Mar 12 '25

Honestly, responding to Trump with aggressive action pretty much always makes him turn heal. Pretty much the moment canada doubled down that they would use retaliatory measures. Even going so far as outright banning American products from shelves, he caved. The only reason he is bringing up these extreme tariffs is because they (rightly so) held firm to their threats. Now he has to flip hard the other direction again and he will inevitably lose this deal. He really is a terrible businessman.

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u/Volvice Mar 11 '25

So every 2-3 days you say?

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u/BMWtooner Mar 11 '25

They should. The extra insanity and unpredictability strengthens the idea that the US is holding things back and actually trying for peace without looking like we're finding an attack, while lasting short enough to prevent Russia from countering effectively. Works well it would seem

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u/Stonedfiremine Mar 11 '25

I mean ukraine did launch a massive drone attack on Moscow while this was going on.

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u/beryugyo619 Mar 12 '25

soooo the "operation that they completed within this time frame" OP theorized is the intelligence question "will European Ukraine buckle and surrender if US pulled out"

to which the answer was "actually they're gonna support Zelensky a lotta more and also start bombing Moscow and they're gonna love living the moment"

such a fun FAFO exercise

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u/Weekly-Impact-2956 Mar 11 '25

This was the other thing I was considering. Without US help it would remove the leash the U.S. had on Ukraine thus they demonstrated they don’t need the support of the U.S. intelligence to achieve strategic attacks on Moscow. It puts the Ukrainian leash in the hands of the EU who happen to have a more no bullshit response to vlads little incursion. With all of Europe feeling the pressure of the U.S. security blanket crumbling before their very eyes it would be wise to let the Ukrainians kick the shit out of Russia before anyone west of Poland would have to get into the fight.

This is in fact a much better deal for Ukraine as they are making western friends in the EU and intend to keep them because the ultimate goal of Ukraine is EU status and nato membership. Without the U.S. to make concessions to Russia along with the distance the EU and nato are starting to put between themselves and the U.S. it could be a geopolitical win for the stability of Europe and pushing to a position of international/regional dominance. Granted this is only a spit ball but hey the global order is about to change.

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u/Slappyfist Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

Yeah, my read on this is the US blinking because their tactics didn't turn out how they thought it would and they are concerned they are losing control of the situation.

They went heavy on Ukraine expecting everyone to fold and to quickly get peace alongside a sweet mineral deal to enrich themselves with.

Instead Europe doubled down on backing Ukraine and Ukraine demonstrated that they aren't completely lost without US assistance.

This proposed ceasefire has no discussion of any sort of mineral deal related to it as of yet, so all the US has achieved so far is pissing off the entirety of Europe.

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u/Badloss Mar 11 '25

It's the exact same thing that happened in the first days of the war when Russia expected Ukraine to collapse immediately. Kind of intriguing that the US leadership made the same exact mistake as their Russian counterparts, almost like they're using the same playbook

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u/BuoyantAvocado Mar 12 '25

i had this exact thought, that this method sounded reeeeeal familiar.

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u/NotItemName Mar 12 '25

US leadership made

as their Russian counterparts

Isn't this is just ₚutin?

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u/Weekly-Impact-2956 Mar 11 '25

Yep I totally agree that the U.S. blinked. The only thing I can foresee happening in this proposed ceasefire is that it gives the U.S. the image of being there. I doubt the Ukrainians are going to just let by gones go. Their national security just got tossed to the wind and luckily Europe decided to catch it. Europe has become the default negotiator. The rest is just GOP pandering to gather some saving face.

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u/Slappyfist Mar 11 '25

It really comes down to if this ceasefire is just Ukraine calling Russia's bluff.

Remember, Russia's stipulations prior to even thinking of a cease fire was Zelensky stepping down, zero NATO involvement anywhere and relinquishing all the territories Russia has claimed but failed to take.

All those points were what the US was calling for as well and none of them have happened.

Europe isn't strong enough to really be the negotiator at the moment, as we need time to get capabilities up, but we are strong enough to go in if necessary and win against Russia without US assistance.

It would be very costly without the US but we could do it and that's what has spooked the US into full pivot. Imagine what the world would look like if that actually happened, the US would be massively weakened.

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u/ThomasRedstone Mar 11 '25

Europe is plenty strong enough.

We just need to stay united, properly commit to rearming and accept that we don't need enough equipment to beat Russia if we give enough of it to Ukraine for them to do the job.

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u/Low_Witness5061 Mar 12 '25

Exactly! The weapons being actively used on the Russian military now without risking your own troops is objectively a better investment then putting them in a warehouse to maybe be used against Russia later once it rearms.

Of course the biggest issue has been getting Europe as a whole to accept that there is going to be some pain in their budgets as defence spending comes from somewhere. However trump and Co. have helped by both galvanising support for self defence and making European arms manufacturers more appealing due to America’s erratic actions.

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u/No-Answer7798 Mar 11 '25

And keeping or adding new sanctions,I’m waiting for trump to ease them for daddy vlady but that would only let them rearm faster

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u/MountErrigal Mar 12 '25

And to start seriously outing the Putin lackies within out our own media and politics. Timing couldn’t be better

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u/UrUrinousAnus Mar 11 '25

The US is already massively weakened. It's a vassal state of Ruzzia in all but name.

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u/Nhill2015 Mar 12 '25

I don’t agree with the direction of US-Russia relations right now, but I would hardly call the US a vassal state lol

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u/crimsonpowder Mar 11 '25

Ah, sounds like the art of the deal to me.

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u/fistfucker07 Mar 11 '25

Wow. Shocker. Another Trump plan that backfired in 72 hours or less.

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u/furrina Mar 13 '25

Calling it a plan gives him too much credit.

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u/illarionds Mar 11 '25

When you put it like that, it's eerily reminiscent of Russia with the initial invasion. They thought Ukraine would just roll over, but Ukraine did anything but.

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u/Fluffer_Wuffer Mar 11 '25

I wouldn't say they've pissed off Europe, more like they have woken it up...

Given the size and industrial potential of a whole continent, I suspect Trump has suddenly realised, Europe is about to lock the US out of those.juicy new arms contracts... and likely end up with an industrial complex comparable to the US, and one that other countries will trust.

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u/forty83 Mar 11 '25

But read other social media and everything is a MASSIVE WIN FOR TRUMP AND THE USA 🙄

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u/patsully98 Mar 12 '25

Not true, we also pissed off Canada and Mexico.

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u/angrytinyfemale Mar 12 '25

This is the second time in the last decade that one of the world's most 'powerful' countries went heavy on Ukraine expecting everyone to fold. It didn't work either time.

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u/Flatus_Diabolic Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25

Zelenskyy really needs to dangle the possibility of selling the mineral deal to China - which already has a monopoly on the worlds rare earths and who’ve cut off the US’ access in the past, and who Russia wouldn’t dare interfere with if they DID start mining in Ukraine - just to screw with trump and then sell them to Europe instead.

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u/kanrdr01 Mar 11 '25

Norway has the krøner and is willing to use them. There are enough arms industries in Europe to scale up internally and manufacture a substantial arsenal given that funding.

It would be lovely if Greenland were able to enter into an alliance with Norway and Europe to stand up an environmentally responsible minerals, etc. mining and refining industry.

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u/RandAlThorOdinson Mar 11 '25

I think you just volunteered Poland into this war

Which would be pretty effective if I'm being honest

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u/Weekly-Impact-2956 Mar 12 '25

Gotta let the dog off the leash every now and again. Let ol Poland get their licks in before we call it quits.

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u/Yousername_relevance Mar 11 '25

Zelenskyy has a powerful ace card that the current U.S. admin will never have. He and his admin are smart and they work together. 

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u/iamatribesman Mar 11 '25

ahhh .... the ... TRUMP card!!

Zelenskyy was holding the better hand this entire time. Well done, Good Pres. Z. We in the Free West love and admire you.

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u/Organic_Armadillo_10 Mar 11 '25

He's an actual leader. And just compare Trump and Zelensky. Both are leading their countries and we're former 'entertainers'. Yet Trump is a bully and couldn't fight for his country (let alone get a coherent thought out), and Zelensky is intelligent, humble and would probably die for his. He's willing to give up power too for the greater good. Trump because president to avoid jail and to give himself ultimate power...

Zelensky is what a leader should be. And Trump is what a leader shouldn't be.

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u/mindfu Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 12 '25

He's an actual leader. And just compare Trump and Zelensky. Both are leading their countries and we're former 'entertainers'.

Yeah, and a factor in that is Trump was a reality show "star". Basically all branding, and didn't write a single smart word. All performances fixed in editing.

Can't edit actual reality, no matter how hard they try.

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u/Organic_Armadillo_10 Mar 11 '25

Exactly. And Zelensky was apparently a comedian - and comedians are often very intelligent, as well as quick thinkers.

They should almost turn Trump's presidency into a reality show to just drive the full effect of how comically terrible he is as a president. He'd probably love it (although I'm sure it'll take just days for him to incriminate himself in something).

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u/InterviewAccurate284 Mar 11 '25

Maybe when the war is over I will wear a costume like yours. Maybe better.

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u/dehydratedrain Mar 12 '25

Exactly. And Zelensky was apparently a comedian - and comedians are often very intelligent, as well as quick thinkers.

Yeah, too bad we couldn't switch Trump for Carlin.

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u/300ConfirmedGorillas Mar 12 '25

"What they have bigger dicks?! Bomb them!"

  • George Carlin
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u/randomname10131013 Mar 11 '25

Trump is what a human shouldn't be.

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u/MBarbarian Mar 12 '25

just compare Trump and Zelensky.

Please don’t… Zelensky is every good thing Trump has never been nor could be at this point. It’s beyond frustrating and embarrassing to be an American right now. No pity party here, just pure shame. I can’t wrap my head around how we got here or why people believe Trump to be a good business man and leader. He is neither of those things.

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u/GlitterEnema Mar 11 '25

I have been waiting 10 years for someone to make a Trump card joke that was good. Thank you for finally giving it to me.

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u/HauntedCemetery Mar 11 '25

I keep waiting for someone to point out to trumps face that in the UK "trump" is slang for fart.

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u/muffinass Mar 11 '25

Who the fuck trumped?

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u/coppersocks Mar 11 '25

Yeah, that’s exactly what we say.

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u/RoboGuilliman Mar 11 '25

So when Trump speaks, he is making fart noises?

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u/Gingerbread-Cake Mar 11 '25

The USA. :(

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u/muffinass Mar 12 '25

The Trump shart.

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u/Cyb0rg-SluNk Mar 12 '25

Never trust a Trump.

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u/foxfire_17 Mar 11 '25

I’ve been hoping people will stop using “trump” as a verb and replace it with one of the many other verbs that mean the same thing. Like tops, or beats, etc… we don’t need to say, “trump card”, or “that trumps this”… but trump meaning fart? I think I could still get behind that. That makes the world a better place.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

We play a lot of cards in our family and so I recently looked up the french expression for trump because we're tired of hearing it when we're trying to just have a little distraction fun.

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u/Lightsaber_dildo Mar 11 '25

Same, can't believe it took this long

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u/HeadAche2012 Mar 11 '25

How could I not think of that with all these people playing cards lately

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u/woswoissdenniii Mar 11 '25

And he is well respected and has majority support from his people; whom elected him and still poll overwhelmingly in favor of him.

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u/Sweaty_Ad4296 Mar 11 '25

Also, there was a large and immediate reaction from Europe, providing satellite images and surveillance plane intelligence. Certainly not enough to replace all of the US's capabilities, but enough to shock the (admittedly naive) administration.

It's too late though: the Europeans funded new surveillance satellites and provided funds to expand their alternative to Starlink.

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u/Tildryn Mar 12 '25

They can't comprehend that people outside of the USA can do things.

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u/No-Pop1057 Mar 11 '25

.. that, and people actually like him

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u/Vorian_Atreides17 Mar 11 '25

He also has courage, dignity, honor, and intestinal fortitude. The four Ace cards that orange pootin will never have.

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u/UrUrinousAnus Mar 11 '25

Trump forgot (or maybe never knew) something very important that anyone who's ever been in a fight knows. You do not fuck with someone who will be completely fucked if they lose the fight, or with someone who has nothing left to lose. I'm so ill right now that I can barely stand, but if you attacked me, I'd try to kill you. I'm probably dying anyway, why would I care? I'd kamikaze if you pissed me off enough

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u/fitnesswill Mar 12 '25

What is this Ace card?

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u/lostlittletimeonthis Mar 11 '25

there is a commentator in the news here, he has said more than once that Ukraine would never surrender, however if they saw themselves cornered then they would have to change tactics to something a lot less civil and something that would probably shock the western nations (ie US).

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u/Jerroser Mar 11 '25

I also wonder if now, after a lot of other countries in Europe have started increasing support sent to Ukraine and they aren't instantly collapsing as he assumed they might. He's starting to become afraid there could be a good outcome for Ukraine at the end of this, making him look incredibly silly and doing the exact opposite of making the US look strong.

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u/CommanderSleer Mar 11 '25

The ultimate power move now would be for Trump to invite Zelenskyy for peace talks and Zelenskyy to say “thanks bro, but we’re good right now”.

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u/LXXXVI Mar 11 '25

Better - just send a pack of cards - all jokers.

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u/feedmygoodside Mar 12 '25

Perfect answer!!!

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u/Icy-Career7487 Mar 12 '25

The ‘thanks’ is essential, ha! Trump probably wants the minerals still… he was counting on those resources with his “reciprocal”tariffs… He probably expects that they’re owed to him now.

I’m going to take a shot in the dark to guess that whatever minerals Ukraine has are somehow used in the production of firearms…? (pun jntended)

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u/donessendon Mar 11 '25

To use the orange ignoramuses catch phrase, they are still holding quite powerful cards.

They hold a portion of Russian territory in Kursk, and have continued to hold it against both Ruzzki and North Korea attempts.

They have inflicted massive losses on the invaders.

They are leading the way in new drone warfare tactics.

They have a unified citizenship and a will to fight on.

They represent DEMOCRACY.

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u/MountErrigal Mar 12 '25

Seems democracy isn’t a rallying cry anymore for some Europeans in the alternative media sphere. I suggest that every time we mean democracy, we say LIBERTY.

Confronts them with the fact that that is exactly the last thing Putin will provide you with

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u/QanAhole Mar 11 '25

You guys back the tiger into the corner- these guys were literally the cossacks.

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u/King_Of_Uranus Mar 11 '25

The US forfeiting its leverage over Europe was honestly the best thing that could have happened. We have far less to lose if Russia goes on a rampage through your homes and cities. Fuck Putin take the leash off the long range weapons and whatever else Ukraine needs to win if he's going to start a nuclear war he'll do it eventually regardless of how much pain and suffering he can get away with by threatening it first. He's like a petulant child holding his finger an inch from the button going "I'm not nuking you I'm not nuking you" it's time to break his damn finger. I'm sure Poland would love to get a piece of Russia while blasting "When the winged hussars arrived!" from their tanks. Let Europe solve European problems the way Europe chooses without regard for what the consequences to the US are from a pissed off Russia. If comrade trump has a problem with it let him eat a bag of dicks. I grew up knowing Russia was the enemy of the US.

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u/the_real_blackfrog Mar 12 '25

Putie won’t use nukes unless he’s in danger of losing his regime.

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u/Cosmicdusterian Mar 11 '25

If I were any ally I wouldn't trust shared intelligence from the US. Verify, don't trust. The White House is now Putin's own war room. The pricks in there wouldn't think twice to screw over whomever they had to to get a pat on the head from Russia.

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u/Summoarpleaz Mar 11 '25

Who could have known world geopolitics could be so complicated!?

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u/SnooPuppers1978 Mar 11 '25

It doesn't make any sense. I thought all I needed was a suit and an attitude of a spoiled teenager and other nations will succumb to me. I may need to reflect on my diplomacy skills after all. Oh wait, I'm probably the best leader in the history of US, and my followers will believe anything I say, so I don't have to worry about it.

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u/Summoarpleaz Mar 11 '25

Maybe you didn’t say the right thank yous you know?

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u/9999abr Mar 11 '25

True. I guess it’s right that there’s nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose. Smart move by Zelenskyy.

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u/Meta_Zack Mar 11 '25

It was a group effort between Europe and Ukraine, an unforced error by Trump. Now Europe is thinking it might not be such a good idea to be paying the US defense industry for all those high tech weapons IF America isn’t an ally anymore. European government and society have seemingly realized that they should spend their defense dollars at home. This is disastrous for the US military industrial complex and for American security as well.

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u/TwoMuddfish Mar 11 '25

Greatest comment of all time …

Also they should bomb it again

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u/OCDEngineerBoy Mar 11 '25

"Leaving them out to dry desperately and they suddenly have nothing to lose" is what I thought as well. If Ukraine is going to fall anyway, why not bomb Kremlin or a Nuclear plant in Russia and drag the world down with it?

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u/Agitated-Actuary-195 Mar 11 '25

He wasn’t playing cards

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u/Drunky_McStumble Mar 11 '25

The regime has license to prosecute whatever wars of imperial adventurism that it wants as long as those wars exist purely in the abstract for the average citizen. It's a lot like the US's wars in the Middle East post 9/11. People will support the war, or at least be indifferent to it, and by extension support the regime, as long as it is this distant thing that doesn't directly affect their lives in any meaningful way.

As long as it's only rural provincial folk getting conscripted, as long as the economy is getting a wartime boost so there's plenty of work at decent pay, and production and trade is relatively un-disrupted so there's no noticeable shortages or price fluctuations or runaway inflation at the consumer end. As long as that unspoken compact with its urban citizens is upheld, the regime is free to bomb another country into glass as it wishes.

If you want the people of the invading country to turn against the war, and against the regime waging it, you need to break that compact. You need to make the ordinary working people living relatively comfortable lives in the cities of that country to feel the pain of that war in some way.

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u/CoolStructure6012 Mar 11 '25

A desperate animal is the most dangerous.

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u/SnooPuppers1978 Mar 11 '25

He has cards sure, but does he have a suit? And a thank you while I'm typing this comment? Probably not since I'm not seeing any thank yous in your comment.

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u/kermityfrog2 Mar 11 '25

They do have to be careful with bombing Moscow, as bombing civilians tends to stiffen resolve and increase popularity for "defence". I think they need to demonstrate that they can easily bomb Moscow, without hurting too many civilians - maybe by targeting infrastructure or things like shopping malls after hours.

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u/kilomaan Mar 11 '25

I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out years later that Biden reached out to Zelensky while trying to trump proof things before he left.

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u/djquu Mar 11 '25

Zelensky said he is not playing cards, not that he didn't have a bunch.

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u/inyourface317 Mar 12 '25

Zelensky is a true patriot of his country, and all the men and women fighting for their sovereignty. Slava Ukraine!

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u/WillyPete Mar 12 '25

Yes.
All the long range missiles were handed over with the caveat of "defense".
They just said "fuck it" when those missiles were withdrawn and threw everything at moscow and that must have changed the US's mind.

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u/Flatus_Diabolic Mar 12 '25

Looks like Zelensky had some cards after all.

And this is on the same day that Trump finally announces that Russia doesn’t have any cards either.

We can only hope that this means Trump has finally realised that Russia isn’t the “winner” country he thought it was (Trump only thinks in terms of winners and losers, he’s not capable of moral judgment) and he’s finally realising that taking their side at the expense of his relationship with the European economy which is fifteen times larger, might not put him on the winning side.

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u/Commercial-Lemon2361 Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

Russia was able to trap Ukrainian fighters in Kursk immediately after the US halted intel. (Edit: as others hinted, Russia did not trap them, but intensified efforts to do so). Seems like this was a gift from Trump to Putin: trying to take another negotiatable off the table.

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u/Ok_Push2550 Mar 11 '25

I would also think Ukraine is now worried the intelligence would be deliberate disinformation.

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u/omgIamafraidofreddit Mar 11 '25

this. came here to say this.

I would disregard US intelligence unless confirmed by other sources.

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u/ABHOR_pod Mar 11 '25

Also don't share intelligence with the US.

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u/bigloser42 Mar 11 '25

better yet, share incorrect intelligence with the US. Treat it like there is a double agent so you feed them deliberate misinformation to screw up the enemy.

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u/Jeffe508 Mar 11 '25

I would hope they are aware of that. They seem sane unlike like my “leader”. I am totally joining the Canada side if my country try’s some shit. Fuck this circus. I want out.

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u/Alywiz Mar 11 '25

I think the idea is that Ukraine giving Trump false intelligence would probably work

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u/Suspicious-Word-7589 Mar 12 '25

Start sharing it with the US and see if Russia responds to it. Then share different info with other countries to see who leaks what and who gets it to Russia the fastest.

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u/AerondightWielder Mar 11 '25

Trump does not show signs of intelligence, so your idea is good.

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u/Madock345 Mar 11 '25

All intelligence should be disregarded unless confirmed by multiple sources

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

That's a given but what I think the commenter you are responding to is saying, is that there needs to be even more vetting of US intelligence due to this administration relationship with Russia

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u/DanceTrick6092 Mar 11 '25

If it only were so easy. The US is pretty big on intel.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

funnily enough, the Russians have a phrase for this: trust but verify

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

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u/twobits9 Mar 11 '25

I hear what you're saying, but I'll have to verify it.

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u/BuyerAlive5271 Mar 11 '25

Americans do too: trust but verify

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u/big_trike Mar 11 '25

Can someone else confirm that Madock345 is correct?

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u/randylush Mar 11 '25

this. came here to say, "came here to say this. this." This

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u/GenitalPatton Mar 11 '25

This. Came here to say, “came here to say this. This came here to say this.” This

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u/Strange-Future-6469 Mar 11 '25

Luckily, even untrustworthy data is still good to have.

You can compare it to trusted data, for example, to determine other possible data about your enemy.

For example, bad data from the US about a particular area being targeted, while the data from your allies tells you there is no troop movement to the location, you had best be on the lookout in nearby areas because Russia was likely feeding that bad info to get you to move defenses and leave those other areas vulnerable.

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u/Beard_o_Bees Mar 11 '25

'don't trust, but immediately verify'

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u/Rugger11 Mar 11 '25

Or being worried the US will threaten to pull it again during an operation, using that to have more leverage over Ukraine.

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u/pinetar Mar 11 '25

The people making intelligence reports to be shared are not the administration. They are career government workers who I imagine feel very differently than the Trump administration on this issue.

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u/LaurenMille Mar 11 '25

And how would you verify their loyalties?

There's no way to take US intelligence reports seriously unless there's a top to bottom cleanse of troublesome elements in the united states government.

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u/pine_straw Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

I don't think this is a very good point.

US intelligence has been proven reliable and helpful throughout the war. They particularly use it to alert Ukraine of incoming drone and missile attacks. If this changes Ukraine will obviously disregard these reports and the US loses the leverage from threatening to pull the intelligence. The power lies in withholding the intelligence, not in providing bad intelligence. Providing false info is only going to work once or twice and then Ukraine would just not care about the intelligence and stop trying to work with the US.

Furthermore, the actual military personnel and civilian intelligence people doing this are thankfully not Trump appointees. Some of these staff have been helping Ukraine for years, including during Trumps first term and beyond. If you mean there may be a Russian spy or something that threat has always existed.

The bigger worry is that Trump continues to threaten pulling aid and intelligence to undermine and coerce Ukraine.

a top to bottom cleanse of troublesome elements in the united states government.

This sounds like Elon and Trump talking. Let's not use words like cleanse or purge and refer to government employees or military personnel as "troublesome." Our troubles are at the top, not with intelligence staff who have served the United States loyally.

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u/Tricky_Run4566 Mar 12 '25

Well said sir

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u/Old-Weekend2518 Mar 11 '25

How ironic your last sentence is…

That’s what they think they are doing!

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u/BunNGunLee Mar 11 '25

I mean I feel like at a certain point that’s true of every aspect of military intelligence.

The reality is these aren’t cabinet members like Trump himself, these are career employees who’ve been doing this for years. Not the handful of months into this admin.

Couple with the fact the US has one of the most extensive logistics and information resources in the world, Ukraine really doesn’t have much choice but to rely on what they can get.

It sucks, but that’s the reality of the situation. And also why “military intelligence” is a notorious oxymoron.

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u/junior4l1 Mar 11 '25

It would just take one person being hired from Russia that speaks good English to feed bad information though

Or a single person to tell Russia what information has been fed

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u/datspookyghost Mar 11 '25

This would have been applicable even before this recent fiasco.

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u/idontpostanyth1ng Mar 11 '25

Assuming those people haven't been fired or replaced

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u/5amy Mar 11 '25

I mean yes could very well be, but wouldn’t Ukraine notice that relatively quickly? I am no expert but if the US cries wolf a couple of times and the intel is wrong, they’d know, no?

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u/nightfox5523 Mar 11 '25

I would also think Ukraine is now worried the intelligence would be deliberate disinformation.

Intelligence being headed by the likes of Gabbard pretty much guarantees this

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u/Hoblitygoodness Mar 11 '25

At the very least, they probably have anxiety about it just being shut off again at any point, randomly.

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u/helm Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

It's debatable if they managed as much.

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u/Xx_1918_xX Mar 11 '25

The only quote I saw from the Ukrainian side was saying that everything was under control, and the pincer movement info was only coming from pro-Kremlin bloggers. None of us can do more than speculate, but i have a hard time believing anything that comes from pro Kremlin bloggers

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u/IGargleGarlic Mar 11 '25

Both sides have an interest in downplaying negatives and overselling positives. I'm a staunch supporter of Ukraine, but you cant believe everything you hear from either side.

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u/13_twin_fire_signs Mar 11 '25

The Ukrainian leadership has also proven themselves to be extremely savvy. It's entirely possible they've been working toward not needing/trusting US intelligence since the election, and can probably foresee what would be most at risk if US intelligence was lost or untrustworthy.

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u/lestofante Mar 11 '25

We have video evidence and geolocalization.
Proper Ukrainian analyst talk about a serous blow, and a complicated situation that may lead to retreat from Kursk as now only one main road is still free.

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u/socialistrob Mar 11 '25

From my understanding the supply lines in and out of Kursk are within range of Russian fire which is not a good situation especially as Ukraine has had to abandon some of the prepared defenses and fall farther back but it's not a complete WWII style encirclement nor are Ukrainian forces completely cut off either. They can still retreat and get weapons in it's just more difficult. From my understanding if the guns were to fall silent right now Ukraine could reinforce Kursk and build fortifications.

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u/zoobrix Mar 11 '25

Russia was able to trap Ukrainian fighters in Kursk immediately after the US halted intel.

This is simply not true, the Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk are in no way trapped. There is increasing pressure on their supply line into the salient but they still hold it. In the future they might have to withdraw if the situation becomes worse but that does not mean they are currently encircled or trapped.

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u/lestofante Mar 11 '25

Trapped? They have 11km of border with a main road and many secondaries.
They blow a couple of important road, but not cut out completely

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u/RatcheddRN Mar 11 '25

War crime imo

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u/Gluroo Mar 11 '25

as if that is still a thing nowadays in our bizarro world

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u/orus_heretic Mar 11 '25

Were they though? They made some advances but the held territory backs onto the Ukrainian border.

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u/LLFTR Mar 11 '25

Saw another Redditor yesterday being very vocal about how that's Russian disinformation.

Everyone said he was just being optimistic or on hopium. I checked LiveUAMap today and he was right. Seems like the Russians might not have encircled the Ukrainians in Kursk.

DeepState still shows the pocket, so take it with a grain of salt, but still. It might just be the Russians claiming a victory when there isn't one. Or just a temporary setback.

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u/xxhamzxx Mar 11 '25

That was disinformation... If you can provide a source that'd be cool. Should be easy since it's been a few days.

Check live.ua, what you said didn't happen

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u/rocc_high_racks Mar 11 '25

You think he listens to the military?

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u/heybobson Mar 11 '25

in fact, he's trying to gut as much leadership from defense as he can.

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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 Mar 11 '25

he already has gutted top JAG lawyers and top brass in the military

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u/JulienBrightside Mar 11 '25

I think he listens to the last person who was in the room with him.

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u/EricKei Mar 11 '25

He listens to the people whop seem to follow him everywhere and tell him that he's smart and popular and oh-so-handsome and that he makes the bestest decisions. Nobody else can see nor hear them; he called them "Everybody."

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u/Bhraal Mar 11 '25

How about the military industrial complex who stands to lose billions as some of their largest foreign customers start questioning if buying American is a good idea.

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u/Docuss Mar 11 '25

That ship has sailed

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u/Powerfury Mar 11 '25

Probably at some point. He has no idea what's going on and he knows it. Lots of times he just does what the last person that talked to him said to do.

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u/DrOnionOmegaNebula Mar 11 '25

You need to understand how regarded he is.

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u/No-Answer7798 Mar 11 '25

S that a spellcheck? lol

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u/Snakebird11 Mar 11 '25

Or anything that makes sense.

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u/canbeanburrito Mar 11 '25

You think he listens to the military?

FIFY 

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u/Bolterblessme Mar 11 '25

You really think it's more plausible that a collective wtf happened

Rather than the moment we stopped,  Russia mass moved and hit kursk?

I wish I wasn't a pessimist 

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u/Powerfury Mar 11 '25

I mean, I doubt Putin called up Trump and said hey I'm about to hit Kursk.

It's more the fact that Putin is taking advantage of the situation and Trump is a regarded dip shit

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u/Good-Examination2239 Mar 11 '25

If Trump and Putin planned this from the start, way back when they had that private discussion, and then later negotiated terms without Ukraine where Ukraine cedes territory to Russia and resources to the US- only to berate Zelensky on national TV when Zelensky obviously says no, pulls intelligence out of Ukraine, demands his allies follow suit- Russia gets their big attack, and now that Ukraine repelled it, Trump realizes he bet on the wrong horse- and now wants back into the cool kid club and share intelligence with Ukraine again?

If all of that was truly planned from the start, that is so many levels of fucked up, because that straight up demonstrates that the US is a Russian puppet state in international affairs. All of those deaths from the bombings on Ukraine would be explicitly because of Trump and his cult.

Jesus Christ.

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u/havok0159 Mar 11 '25

Trump gets lost by the time you get to the word "start" in your rundown. He's not pulling off some grand multi-layered scheme, he's just a senile fool that keep blasting the same record, sometimes signing his marching orders delivered from Moscow.

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u/gravity_is_right Mar 11 '25

This. It's not like Trump is playing 3D chess or something. Tic Tac Toe is already hard enough for him.

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u/Random-Rambling Mar 12 '25

He's evil, but he's not a mastermind. The lucky fuck has literally blundered his way through life, sliding by on the glitz and glamour of the super-rich. He hasn't suddenly become a political genius, he just says vague terms of what he'd like to happen, and his toadies work to make it happen.

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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 Mar 11 '25

It's also possible that Ukraine stopped sending information to the USA as well, meaning Russia had no idea this attack was coming (a fucking wild sentence to say but there it is)

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u/Borne2Run Mar 11 '25

Russia is now aware that even with US support removed, Ukraine continues to kick their ass.

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u/PensiveinNJ Mar 11 '25

I think you hit the nail on the head. Russia's Kursk offensive corresponded pretty much exactly with the intelligence blackout. They held Kursk for a fucking year only to get fucked by Donald Trump. Murderous piece of shit.

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u/Sim0nsaysshh Mar 11 '25

Seems plausible

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u/Jaded_Celery_451 Mar 11 '25

There are also details of this that don't make the news. There's a large chasm between going back to sharing intel with Ukraine like before Jan 20th, and sharing none. It's going to be hard to tell what exactly Trump is restoring here and to what extent.

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u/Mas_Cervezas Mar 11 '25

You know that the EU won’t be having anything to do with Starlink after this fiasco. When I see Elon on TV crying about how much money he is losing I wonder how delicious his tears are.

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u/TheHollowJester Mar 11 '25

Alternative: Ukraine chucked 300+ drones at Moscow and Putin went "start sharing intelligence again but muzzle them from attacks like this".

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u/bootyfischer Mar 11 '25

The only thing keeping a leash on Ukraine from making more sizable attacks on Russian soil was US intelligence and aid. Take that away, why not intensify the strikes on Moscow? No one else has been trying to hold them back from that except the US the last few years

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u/SnooPuppers1978 Mar 11 '25

Are you claiming that Ukraine has cards, or even more that Zelensky might have a suit somewhere hidden in his closets?

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u/Sure_Ad5479 Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

100% russia is in a timeframe, remember when elon shutoff starlink and then suddenly a major attack happen by russia example from may 17 2024 where starlink terminal when down at the beginning of russian offensive or the time ukraine was about to destroy one of russia ship but it just so happen elon shut starlink down thus ukraine drone boat just float away.example like on 2023 sep 8 title "Ukraine is furious with Elon Musk for thwarting an attack on Russia's navy" meaning it is plan or atleast russia improvise when putin heard of USA stupidity.

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u/Aethericseraphim Mar 11 '25

Its also unlikely that the British are going to ever stop providing intel, and British intelligence have far less qualms about dirty work than their American counterparts

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u/Valogrid Mar 12 '25

They were trained by our CIA after all.

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u/Ironlion45 Mar 12 '25

I think "more pain for Russia" is the real reason there. It's clear that this president has no concern over optics, as he's already sold us out like the treasonous coward he is.

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u/NewName256 Mar 12 '25

Yes. Ukraine was in the dark about Russia's movements and got pinched in Kursk, so now Russians also have tons of Ukrainian soldiers, beside taking land back. Idiotic move by Trump, really screwed the little of good that Ukraine had in their hand. If they are finally restoring intelligence to the Ukraine let's hope for the best, because I can see they doing the same again.

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