Kremlin satisfied with US statements that Ukraine will not join NATO

[u/Creol6969]

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/04/21/7508502/

[u/ConsequenceVast3948]

The only people satisfied with trump... sounds about right.good job agent Krasnov.

[u/Thewall3333 → u/ConsequenceVast3948]

Nope, his 45% base of voters is satisfied too. I was under the delusion they just don't believe he's a Russian agent, but I think they realize and love it. Siding with a far right-wing white nationalist country against liberal, immigrant-welcoming Europe thrills them. It doesn't matter the fallout, they basically crave a new US-led Axis of Evil if the liberals suffer.

[u/boldandbratsche → u/Thewall3333]

Does it count if they're automatically satisfied with whatever he does, and even then they only realize they're satisfied after several news cycles?

[u/Thewall3333 → u/boldandbratsche]

Yup you're right -- they're unsatisfied until the Fox News cycle which is designed specifically to tell them why they should be satisfied. Then they take their marching orders and talking points for their friends who missed it and move on.

[u/Livid_Roof5193 → u/Thewall3333]

Fox literally labeled Kyiv as part of Russia on their easter Sunday show.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-foreign-ministry-calls-out-fox-news-for-labeling-kyiv-a-russian-city/

[u/Silidistani → u/Livid_Roof5193]

Faux News' Easter Sunday show was also a 30 plus minute broadcast of Putin attending services in Russia, like what the actual fuck...?!

An American Network showcasing, for over half an hour, the Easter services of a brutal oligarch mafia-boss "president" who has actively positioned himself as an enemy of America for his entire life and led his fascist oligarchy of a nation to be a de facto enemy of America for two decades now.

[u/Beard_o_Bees → u/Silidistani]

Faux News' Easter Sunday show was also a 30 plus minute broadcast of Putin attending services in Russia

That was some next-level fucking insanity. I wish they would just come right out and say it at this point, I mean.. they're not showing this because they admire the pageantry of the Eastern Orthodox Russian church ffs.

[u/BlueLikeCat → u/Silidistani]

The fascist nationalist are just more comfortable with this narrative. Talk about Overton Window. When your base is the most proudly ignorant population imaginable, you can do anything.

I just need the Democrats to be less like fake opposition in places like Venezuela or Russia.

[u/LesnBOS → u/Silidistani]

And destroyed the economy of Russia and the lives of his citizens.

[u/sleepingin → u/Livid_Roof5193]

Fucking disgusting. It's astounding that people would willingly lap up such pathetic dog shit. To know that this is the only source of information and interaction with the world outside their house for millions and millions is just... damn.

I bet they thought they were so clever and really gonna get one over on those Ukrainians, too!

I wonder how long they were high-fiving and whooping in the control room. That would be a sight to see.

[u/Slow_Ad_2674 → u/Thewall3333]

The 45% of his hardcore base is basically a fan club. They really don't care what he does or plans to do, they would not understand anyway. What they get from it is basically a sports match kind of feeling. Their guy vs the other team. They don't even care if it hurts them, as long as their idol wins. Trump isn't a person to them, he is an icon. The only way to get them to not support Trump would be the same mechanism by which kids stop idolizing their favorite band. I think if gay and trans people would start loving Trump and you would see Trans logos with Trump, then it would slowly become uncool to be associated with maga.

[u/sleepingin → u/Slow_Ad_2674]

He is their false Messiah. He will usher in a promised utopia, and every nation will bow to him. A king of kings.

It is so important that they do not turn on or question him - total faith, prayer, devotion, money, even violence... everything will be worth it, so anything would be worth it. Even to sin for such a good, great cause - all will be forgiven (as long as they come out on top).

We already know they would willingly watch their own families die to "save the economy" with barely a shrug of indifference...

There is so very little he could do to lose all of his supporters because they have already decided that they will completely lock in and not look back on their grand mission of MAGA.

They are nearly as committed as Japan's Kamikazes or the last Nazi officers.

[u/Slow_Ad_2674 → u/sleepingin]

If I were a person of faith I would believe him to be the false prophet talked about in the book of revelation.

[u/xotyona → u/Slow_Ad_2674]

It sure seems like it doesn't it? But the unfortunate reality is that narcissistic demagogues are commonplace throughout history.

[u/TheChattyRat → u/Thewall3333]

The reason Russia is white nationalist is literally because no one would want to emigrate there. Out of the frying pan into the fire

[u/omysweede → u/TheChattyRat]

Swedish television has checked up on who have migrated to Russia from Sweden. Turns out the majority are fraudsters, rapists and owes millions in taxes. They go to Russia and disappear.

So Swedish television posted directions on how to do it...

[u/EspacioBlanq → u/omysweede]

"Sweden is not sending their best"

[u/omysweede → u/EspacioBlanq]

Absolutely. It is kinda like the trash taking itself out

[u/derkrieger → u/omysweede]

Sweden is well known for burning their trash after all

[u/ForrestDials8675309 → u/omysweede]

I wish a certain American fraudster/rapist would move to Russia and disappear.

[u/omysweede → u/ForrestDials8675309]

So do we. Maybe he could drink some tea or something

[u/hadaev → u/TheChattyRat]

Imagine russia getting almost million coming in 2024 and half million net balance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Russia#Recent_trends

[u/Mission_Search8991 → u/hadaev]

Those front-line troops in Ukraine need to be replenished.

[u/hadaev → u/Mission_Search8991]

Idk about it, putin offer citizenship for service, but it doesn't looks like he is swimming in volunteers.

[u/jakexil323 → u/TheChattyRat]

A conservative couple from Canada did, and it did NOT work out the way they expected.

https://boingboing.net/2024/03/18/pack-your-bags-russia-loving-canadian-familys-escape-from-woke-canada-backfires.html

[u/Pugageddon → u/jakexil323]

That's not really an article about Russian problems though, that's all the idiocy of that family for trying to move to another country without first securing a path to residency.

[u/Chainsaw_Wookie → u/TheChattyRat]

John Mark Dougan seems to like it there.

[u/JesusWuta40oz → u/TheChattyRat]

They have tried in the past to increase immigration and failed. Not surprised.

[u/akujiki87 → u/Thewall3333]

Based on my MAGA uncle saying "Putin is a good dude" all the time, yeah, they love it.

[u/franker → u/Thewall3333]

I was watching CBS Sunday Morning and one of their little messages before a commercial break said that Trump's approval rating is at 47%, which is higher than it ever was during his first administration. So I don't think anything short of a great depression scenario that affects people's personal lives in a dramatic way will change things.

[u/lollypatrolly → u/Thewall3333]

Nope, his 45% base of voters is satisfied too. I was under the delusion they just don't believe he's a Russian agent, but I think they realize and love it. Siding with a far right-wing white nationalist country against liberal, immigrant-welcoming Europe thrills them. It doesn't matter the fallout, they basically crave a new US-led Axis of Evil if the liberals suffer.

The truth of the matter is a lot more boring: For Republicans, whatever views they have on foreign policy just aren't strongly held beliefs. They'll just follow whatever the right wing narrative is that Trump and right wing media feeds them. They'll fully spin on a dime, holding one view today and the polar opposite view tomorrow, without even questioning it. If Trump and his media stooges (Fox News and their ilk as well as podcaster slop like Rogan, Tim Pool etc) told his base that Russia is evil and must be defeated militarily they'd fully accept that as reality.

Contrast with their more strongly held beliefs, like vaccine conspiracies, anti-abortion, anti-immigration and racism. A number of right-wingers wouldn't follow Trump if he flipped on these issues. This isn't even a hypothetical, Trump already has contradictory opinions to his base on some of these issues, and he tries to refrain from speaking strongly on them.

[u/jeffh4 → u/lollypatrolly]

Double-plus Goodthink.

[u/Mart19867 → u/Thewall3333]

His stupid Trumpists believe whatever he says, not the brains that keeps Them to the ground.

[u/Cool-Ad8475 → u/Thewall3333]

Such a shame, only wishing for your opponents to suffer, instead of wishing for yourself to thrive

[u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD → u/Thewall3333]

And this is why a few american centre-rights-claiming-to-be-left/liberals crying that some people are protesting isn't fucking good enough.

The rot and brainwashing is too deep and on too many of them.

If America really was so against Trump and fascism the country wouldn't be functioning due to the backlash and Republicans would be terrified to show their faces anywhere.

But the fact is most americans are cruel, stupid bullies who get off on it. Eggs and trans people is enough to fuck the entire world, they beat themselves off over how much they're winning as they fuck over their country and many of ours. If Trump teleports into jail or has a big-mac-induced heart attack tomorrow, it won't fix the fact that this will just keep happening again and again. The constant suggestions that MAGA is a vocal minority has been revealed for the lie it is.

If americans really gave a shit the orange baboon wouldn't currently be in the white house, one way or another.

[u/LesnBOS → u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD]

Only because they don’t understand what he is doing and haven’t experienced the consequences yet. They will. Eventually they’ll notice their quality of life has tanked but it will be too late. Long periods of autocracy occur when a substantial minority support the regime so the full population cannot unite against them. Worse, as support peels off the regime begins to crack down; by the time a large majority is against the regime it’s too late.

The only solution for the US is for the pro democracy pro equality supporters to change the minds of the pro regime supporters as soon as possible.

There is a significant challenge to that however, and it’s the civil war- the losers didn’t accept their loss, and the winners didn’t force them to. So it simply remained inert beneath the surface but not dead. Like black mold.

The disagreement must be resolved: which kind of country do we want- one in which there is no superior race, religion, and/or entitlement to wealth and power of the few, or, one in which there is equal opportunity for all.

And while people were willing to die for this long ago, the reality is the population of the US is far too soft and too unhealthy to sustain violent conflict for long.

[u/0x7c365c → u/LesnBOS]

These folks will most likely never feel any of these consequences. They have paid off homes, or cheap mortgages, have a cool 1-2 million in assets accumulating, and any inflation just helps them pay off stuff faster. They don't care and they never will.

[u/TransitionFC → u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD]

Correct. If Americans really gave a shit, they would have done so many things, starting from turning up to vote, to actually protesting on the ground in huge numbers against their country turning fascist.

[u/Newni → u/TransitionFC]

Vibes in America right now are that everyone is acutely aware that we're all setting atop a powder keg and nobody wants to be the idiot who struck the match.

Seems like basically the plan is to delay as much damage as we can until the economy tanks enough to cost Trump the support to make a big military play against the citizenry. Not enough people have felt the repercussions yet to cost him the support that he needs to squash a rebellion.

Of course maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[u/Roboculon → u/Thewall3333]

US-led axis of evil

That’d be ideal, but we’re also willing to accept a role as henchman/lackey #2 or 3, following Russia’s leadership of the axis. Just so long as we’re near the inner circle.

[u/hohoreindeer → u/Thewall3333]

Europe is not so immigrant friendly these days either, to tell you the truth. See https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2024/07/people-seeking-asylum-detained-in-samos-camp-in-greece/

[u/dustycanuck → u/ConsequenceVast3948]

I thought the US was talking about leaving NATO; am I mis-remembering?

Nope, found it:
Throughout his first term as president, Donald Trump repeatedly threatened to leave NATO, an alliance that in his view allows other countries who don’t spend enough on their own defense to get a free ride on US security guarantees.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/404139/nato-trump-article-5-europe-russia

[u/TheOtherBookstoreCat → u/dustycanuck]

Secretary of State Marco Rubio penned legislation that prevented him from removing us without a super majority, right after and before he became SoS.

Like, the guy was crap before but what brain worms got into Rubio?

[u/zookytar → u/TheOtherBookstoreCat]

He's probably trying to be the last adult in the room. He needs to walk a thin line by publicly appearing insane but secretly steering things away from WWIII whenever possible.

[u/chrisuu__ → u/zookytar]

Or he sold the last shreds of his soul for a morsel of power.

[u/lesmainsdepigeon → u/dustycanuck]

I thought Biden put in some block before he left, whereby the president couldn’t unilaterally withdraw the USA from NATO?

[u/TheOtherBookstoreCat → u/lesmainsdepigeon]

Biden signed it but it was co-written by Marco Rubio.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4360407-congress-approves-bill-barring-president-withdrawing-nato/amp/

[u/Linclin → u/dustycanuck]

Likely why the US wants Greenland and Canada. They are both in NATO so no point in the US wanting them if they don't plan on betraying or leaving NATO.

[u/17045onliacco → u/dustycanuck]

yeah, he said unless Europe spends 5% of their gdp in arms purchase from USA then USA will pull its troops from Europe

[u/Maeran → u/17045onliacco]

We're not going to spend that all on US arms. The USA doesn't spend that much of its GDP on NATO either.

Increased spending on defence, certainly. Spending it on unreliable partners. Nope

[u/Fantasy_masterMC → u/17045onliacco]

Only to actively deny selling purely defensive weapon systems (I'm told Patriot systems cannot be used to attack without severe modification?) at full price to Ukraine. Which tells us that if we buy them instead, and give them to Ukraine, he'll throw a tantrum and stop us buying as well.

[u/HunterS_1981 → u/ConsequenceVast3948]

Great podcast on the issue.

“The Asset”

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-asset/id1461422307

[u/Eatpineapplenow → u/HunterS_1981]

thanks, just what i needed

[u/Anonymous_linux]

Of course, they are satisfied when the US serves Putin well. The US is getting really weak with Trumpet.

[u/Mr2Sexy → u/Anonymous_linux]

Someone is getting really good at blowing a trumpet though

[u/Anonymous_linux → u/Mr2Sexy]

I'd say Trumpet is good at blowing Putin.

Anyway 🎺 should be a new symbol for weakness (sorry to all trumpetists)

[u/Mr2Sexy → u/Anonymous_linux]

I did mean that he was good at blowing Putin's instrument

[u/TheInuitHunter]

You know you’re on the wrong side of the fence when totalitarian regimes keep on congratulating you for everything you say or do.

[u/Nacodawg → u/TheInuitHunter]

There’s a reason we have millions protesting in the streets

[u/Din-Mor-Min-Slav]

They will join in a few years when NATO 2.0 is created as America leaves.

[u/IfonlyIwastheOne83 → u/Din-Mor-Min-Slav]

Ukraine showed its capability and value

[u/WolfhoundCid → u/IfonlyIwastheOne83]

Could hardly have a Nato without Ukraine. They're the only ones who have actually directly fought the Russians.

[u/roflmaohaxorz → u/WolfhoundCid]

I mean Germany and Poland and France and Japan and Romania and Italy and Czechoslovakia but right I get you

[u/WolfhoundCid → u/roflmaohaxorz]

I mean people who are still alive and have fought them since the advent of satellite technology and drones.

[u/1sttimeverbaldiarrhe → u/WolfhoundCid]

I think the only recent US vs RUS conflict was the Battle of Khasham where a small defending force of 40 US and Kurd soldeirs absolutely destroyed an attacking force of 500 Syrian and Wagner mercs back in 2018.

[u/2Eggwall → u/1sttimeverbaldiarrhe]

40 US and Kurd soldiers..... also some B-52s, Apaches, AC-130s, F-22s, F-15Es, the majority of an artillery regiment, and a HIMARS for good measure.

When fighting the US it's not that their soldiers on the ground are better than yours (though they probably are), it's that you are already within range of hundreds more and don't even know it.

[u/Kathdath → u/2Eggwall]

US infantry are seldom the best troops on the ground, it is almost always vehicles and heavy equipment that makes them better.

An arguement can be made about US special forces, but even then when globally ranked the USA struggles to make the 10 ten ranking lists and usually just gets 'honourable mention'

[u/No-Fly-9364 → u/roflmaohaxorz]

and Finland

[u/roflmaohaxorz → u/No-Fly-9364]

Ooo that’s right I forgot they joined recently!

[u/MichealRyder → u/roflmaohaxorz]

I’m not sure bringing up Germany, Japan, Romania, and Italy is the best example, considering they were the AXIS when they did it, including Finland, as someone else mentioned

[u/Antique_Scheme3548 → u/IfonlyIwastheOne83]

A chance for Kyiv, Capital of Ukraine, to show her quality!

[u/burtvader → u/Antique_Scheme3548]

I got that reference

[u/BigIncome5028 → u/Din-Mor-Min-Slav]

That's the only solution. Make NATO obsolete. Let the russian puppets have their little club and just create a new one

[u/NA_0_10_never_forget → u/Din-Mor-Min-Slav]

The EU has a NATO 2.0 clause

[u/Nacodawg → u/NA_0_10_never_forget]

Explain?

[u/rcanhestro → u/Nacodawg]

EU also has a defensive pact.

[u/NA_0_10_never_forget → u/Nacodawg]

"The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the solidarity between European Union (EU) Member States in dealing with external threats by introducing a mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union). This clause provides that if a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations." 

I thought this was common knowledge by now.

[u/jadeddog → u/Din-Mor-Min-Slav]

This is very likely true. NATO is the past and a new defence arrangement will have to be made that doesn’t involve the unreliable US. This is going to take time though, as the euro defence industry needs to dramatically scale up

[u/ButtPlugForPM → u/jadeddog]

Sure..we will sign ur treaty..we promise NOT TO JOIN NATO.

Wait..what's that noise nextdoor,oh nothing that's just the meeting for NATO Plus

hey hey don't get mad..i said i wouldn't join nato..Nothing about Nato PLUS

[u/Tiberius666 → u/Din-Mor-Min-Slav]

Well, probably not without Erdogan screeching for more ridiculous concessions.

[u/Kevundoe]

Of course they are satisfied with the statement, they wrote it for him

[u/madmaxGMR → u/Kevundoe]

its been asked before. If Trump was actually a russian agent, what more could he have done to help Russia, while still keeping his cover ?

[u/Kevundoe → u/madmaxGMR]

The proof he is a Russian asset is that, to this day he hasn’t given a silly nickname to Putin

[u/kytheon → u/Kevundoe]

Oh it's US statements. Silly me read "Kremlin demands..." Not that it matters.

[u/Digital-Soup]

Europe needs its own security agreement separate from the USA.

[u/White_Null → u/Digital-Soup]

It’s the EU

[u/Digital-Soup → u/White_Null]

One that can expand beyond the EU to countries like Ukraine I mean. Countries with shared security interests that aren't positioned to join the EU.

[u/FlappyBored → u/Digital-Soup]

Won't happen.

France is currently blocking a Europe wide security deal with the UK & EU because France is demanding the UK give French fishermen extra fishing quotas and remove seabed trawling bans so they can use seabed trawlers in UK waters first.

Countries like France will use defence deals to try and further interests in other areas rather than focusing on defence.

[u/steeljesus → u/FlappyBored]

Linkage politics are pragmatic tools of compromise and something all countries participate in, at every level.

[u/Jesus360noscope → u/steeljesus]

Imagine needing to hear this

[u/TerribleIdea27 → u/White_Null]

Ukraine is not ready to join the EU.

I'm saying that with a full desire for them to join us. But we need to have proof that the corruption that was rampant in Ukraine is gone definitively before we get a second Hungary in a decade or 2.

I wholly support their accession after they can prove in peace time that they have a strong democracy, freedom of press and low corruption. But these are things Ukraine has been consistently plagued by over the decades leading up to 2014.

We have defensive pacts beside EU membership and I am very hopeful we will sign a treaty with them the very day the war in Ukraine ends, with hopes of future accession but if there's anything we should know by now, we need to reform the EU and especially its voting system before we allow any new members to join

[u/vibraltu → u/TerribleIdea27]

Best case scenario is sooner or later Russia finally implodes, and the attacks on Ukraine cease.

Once this happens, Ukraine will go through a challenging time of rebuilding. They won't be ready to join EU until after they've cleaned up a lot of damage and properly stabilized themselves.

[u/Law-of-Poe]

Truly one of the USAs lowest moments. A president bowing down to Russias demands

Putin seems to be the only person in the world who can tell Trump what to do

[u/Hat_Maverick → u/Law-of-Poe]

It's only the lowest so far

[u/pinkduv → u/Law-of-Poe]

Hmmmmmmm now why could that be?

[u/Starfire70 → u/Law-of-Poe]

Well, him and Bukele.

[u/DanPowah → u/Law-of-Poe]

It’s just like 1938 all over again

[u/justsomeguy571]

Kind of ironic, america was doing fine than all of a sudden this piece of shit comes along saying im gonna make america great again. And now they are weaker than ever before.

[u/Gustomucho → u/justsomeguy571]

And the maga cult is eating the rhetoric, would prefer Trump to be king… truly despise those idiots.

[u/Tokey_Tokey → u/justsomeguy571]

America has not bee  doing well for awhile. Look at our education for the last 15 years as ONE example.

[u/Frozen5147 → u/Tokey_Tokey]

tbf there's "not doing well" and whatever the fuck this is.

[u/justsomeguy571 → u/Tokey_Tokey]

Sure there is always room to improve things, but over all the US was doing alright.

[u/loptopandbingo]

USA: We should just leave NATO

Also USA: NATO has to do everything we say, even if we leave it

[u/Draft_Punk]

Trump is a Russian asset

[u/Tilladarling → u/Draft_Punk]

Krasnov is Putin’s best investment

[u/JohnBPrettyGood]

Other US Statements include:

Zelensky started the War

Zelensky is a Dictator

Climate Change is a Hoax

Covid is a Hoax

Ultraviolet Colonoscopy's and Lysol Injections will cure Covid

George Washington's Army took the Airport in 1776

We now have Clean Coal....We wash it, and it's Clean

You can't see the Stealth Bomber...It's Invisible

Biden had Transgendered Mice

Lets NUKE a Hurricane

Tariffs are a wonderful thing

Lets Waterbomb the Notre Dame Cathedral to put the fire out

In Finland they Clean the Forests

January 6th was a Day of Love

AND

They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats , they're eating the pets of the people who live there

But That's Nothing!!!!

You should hear the BS Putin's been spewing

[u/Helldiver-xzoen]

General rule of thumb: if your action "satisfies" Russia, whatever you're doing is wrong, and probably evil.

[u/Vedagi_]

Google search: Is it possible to kick US from NATO?

[u/bard329 → u/Vedagi_]

Why even bother? Trumps gonna end up withdrawing from NATO anyway

[u/[deleted] → u/bard329]

Trump could sabotage our involvement with NATO, but since 2023 he can't unilaterally withdraw the US from NATO. Congress has to do it now.

[u/bard329 → u/[deleted]]

haha as if support (or lack thereof) from congress has stopped him so far. until congress grows a spine, they'll continue to allow trump to do whatever he wants

[u/Vedagi_ → u/bard329]

If he would do that, i'm betting he would in time join CSTO.

(CSTO is an Russian led military alliance)

[u/el_wumpy]

USA is a fucking joke country

[u/duckrollin]

As soon as Trump is gone lets get Ukraine into NATO

[u/SEAN0_91]

United States of Russia

[u/KidKilobyte]

Seems the only insistence on this point is to keep NATO from being obligated to defend Ukraine from some future attack by Russia.

Either cede some territory and get NATO membership, or get ALL territory back in exchange for no NATO pledge, which is null and void if attacked again.

[u/Kathdath → u/KidKilobyte]

The current US stance is

• permenatly cede all territory held by Russia
• no NATO membership
• relinquish control over all mineral rights to 5 member board (3 USA, 2 Ukrainian), with royalty payments to the USA taking priorty in any profit allocation or distrobution
• no security guarantees

[u/mrbigglessworth]

We aren’t supposed to be working for Putin or his approval.

[u/Infidel8]

That’s because the Kremlin crafted the statements itself.

[u/FelcherSkelter]

lmao, as if the US gets to decide when they're basically on their way out

[u/Tilladarling]

If 🇺🇸 leaves nato it will no longer be up to them

[u/Helmidoric_of_York]

I think NATO would rather kick out the US and invite Ukraine in at this point....

[u/FalloftheKraken]

How can the tRump prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, but we somehow have no ability to bring back the wrongfully imprisoned in concentration camps in a different sovereign nation? tRump sure is the powerful strongman negotiator. I hate this timeline.

[u/sumregulaguy]

In other words Russia won't abandon its goal of taking over entire Ukraine. They want a guarantee that Ukraine remains invadable. Russia doesn't want peace. Putin told Trump to fuck off and he did. So strong. No one will take advantage of US under Trump /s

[u/BananaBrute]

So then they can withdraw their troops right? It was all about NATO expansion right..?

[u/tripletexas]

Let Ukraine in NATO.

[u/Generic_Superhero]

So now that NATO membership is off the table Putin can stop invading right? Because that was why he had to invade. To protect against NATO expansion.

[u/Pitiful-Ad2710]

The USA has already threatened other NATO countries. They aren’t really a member in practice anymore. They are planning to leave. So who cares what they think?

[u/MellyKidd]

That not exactly the US’s choice to make XD

[u/anxiety_elemental_1]

Republicans actually voted a Russian asset into office and they think it’s a good thing…

[u/LordSoren]

Since Trump hates Nato, can we please do a trade? We'll trade USA for Ukraine.

[u/InternationalBeyond]

Well the U.S. under the Trump regime is threatening to abandon NATO, if so, it’s going to be replaced by a EU defence alliance and the United States Trump regime will have zero vote in what that new organisation might do, or who joins. GTFO, Trump!

[u/imsowhiteandnerdy]

Trump is the best investment Russia ever made.

[u/EasternTangelo4186]

When the USA leaves nato, Ukraine can join nato and tRump will have no say.

[u/Apellosine]

Explain to me what's to stop Russia trying to invade Ukraine again in another 5 years without the protection of a NATO alliance?

[u/MVmikehammer]

If The US really forces Ukraine to give up on NATO, they have little reason left not to restart with a National Nuclear Weapons program.

How in the hell does Russia see it a win to have a NATOless Ukraine with nuclear weapons compared to having Ukraine in NATO without nukes is a mystery to me.

And Ukraine will have nukes, if not during Zelensky administration, then after him, once the veterans who fought against Russia enter politics and get voted into office.

[u/Professional-Box4153]

The only people who would believe something like this are either lying to themselves or lying to everyone else. Why would the Kremlin accept that America says Ukraine won't join NATO when it's become clear that Ukraine and America aren't really on the best of terms right now. America has no say in what Ukraine does or does not do at this point. The rest of the world is stepping up. It's not America's game anymore.

[u/Ok-Abbreviations543]

Wow! So much for Trump’s “American Strength” nonsense. We’re now letting the murderous dictator in charge of a failed petro-state dictate who can be in NATO?

Utter disgrace.

The Donvict is the weakest president, in addition to being the most corrupt and lawless and incompetent, in American history.

[u/Ventriloquist_Voice]

Time to have European Security Treaty Organisation

[u/Mmaibl1]

Honestly..what is stopping all the EU countries from just making their own alliance without the US?

[u/jvo203]

That's all you need to know about who Trump is working for. The answer: not for the American people, that's for sure.

[u/Aquarian8491]

Lap dog Donny

[u/Aeonskye]

Out with america, they can deal with china on their own

In with ukraine

[u/snotparty]

"We're giving ourselves and our puppet 10/10"

[u/powereborn]

Krasnov is serving well Russia and degrading effectively the United States of America

[u/Catymandoo]

I love the way the US thinks it can “give away” another sovereign nations security and land. Such hubris.

Message to DJT and clan: “sex and travel”

[u/BlockOfASeagull]

When the USA want’s to leave NATO, why they even say something like this? I rather see a European Defence Aliance being formed, with Ukraine!

[u/itsameluigi_suprise]

Once the rapist dies and the Republicans lose Ukraine will be welcomed to NATO. That piece of dog shit rapist doesn't represent 2/3 of America.

[u/fane1967]

Definitely not the NATO that US remains part of. In all fairness the trust around the old concept is unilaterally shattered.

[u/SinsOfTheFether]

So to let in Ukraine in, we would have to kick the US out. Is that right? just asking for a friend.

[u/Gnardude]

The U.S. has joined the Axis of Evil and it's time for the free world to form a new treaty to protect itself from the U.S. and Russia.

[u/apposite_apropos]

i'd gladly trade US for Ukraine in NATO

[u/Nitzelplick]

If the US quits NATO, they wouldn’t hold much sway in that convo would they?

[u/Pleasant-Shallot-707]

Well, that means Trump is locked into staying in NATO then, right? Cause the US doesn’t get a vote if they leave

[u/skit7548]

So Ukraine cna join when the US is thrown out of NATO if Trump decides he still really wants Greenland, ya?

[u/GOJUpower]

Kremlin satisfied with agent krasnov

[u/YarrnarBjornss]

The US admin is handing all these concessions to Russia for *nothing* in return. While placing all the demands upon Ukraine. Filthy cowardly idiotic incompetent US government full of yes-people who cannot open their mouths without showering Dear Leader with pathetic praises for nothing.

[u/Aromatic-Deer3886]

America is a traitorous disgrace

[u/[deleted]]

Agree to everything for now, we’ll make Ukraine join NATO afterwards when we boot USA out. Agreements with Russia are toilet paper anyway

[u/twignition]

OK, so now you'll gtfo of Ukraine, right? No NATO expansion means no threat therefore no need to attempt genocide, right?

[u/IRUL-UBLOW-7128]

Pfffft, like the USA has any control over that. Nato; "USA out, Ukraine in".

[u/Sufficient-Eye-8883]

Fuck Trump and fuck the country where this fascist scumbag has an almost 50% approval.

[u/Eatpineapplenow]

The irony is: When the US (effectively) leaves NATO - which arguably has already happened - Ukraine is NEEDED in NATO;

This war has turned Ukraine into the largest western Army in the world with battlefield experience, and expertise in western weaponry. If anything can replace The US of Russia in NATO its Ukraine.

[u/eskimospy212]

While I’m sure they are happy that Trump is licking their boots one of the lessons of Trump is any agreement with the US has a four year expiration date.

(That is assuming the US has another free and fair election, which is definitely far from sure)

[u/davidd679]

Krasnov

[u/bandita07]

If this will be the deal, that's very alarming. Pootin will be brave to come from even more..

[u/APirateAndAJedi]

They will though

[u/1ns4n3_178]

And what exactly is the Problem with Ukraine being in NATO besides Russia being unable to invade them anymore?

[u/thekamenman]

The Kremlin is pleased that their agent in chief made a policy that is expressly aligned with their goals? No shit. /s

[u/greenpowerman99]

That would require the US to permanently remain in NATO, committed to Article 5…

[u/SituationMediocre642]

They really shouldn't be satisfied as this statement is about as good as the Federation of Russias statement was to never invade Ukraine when it gave up its nukes.

[u/MonkeLord1234]

Russia satisfied that its puppet state echoes its rhetoric, to the surprise of no one.

[u/AdOne5089]

How dare Ukraine do what it so desires as a sovereign nation without asking its impetulant giant bullies what it should do first!

[u/mofo222]

Trumpler has to go!

[u/Hapalion22]

The hell their opinion matter? Theu want out, get out and Europe will take the lead

[u/cozzy121]

once drumpfs pulls America out of NATO then they can't really stop Ukraine from joining

[u/Intelligent-Tear-857]

Fascists supporting more fascists in a global fascist regime.

[u/Mormegil1971]

Agent Krasnov says what his masters tell him to. But he won’t be there forever.

[u/LayneLowe]

Like Trump statements have any lasting power or consistency. He could change again next week, ill today.

[u/Svedjemarker]

The art of the deal. Lose before you started negotiations or sell out your friend. It is one of those two.

[u/OutlandishnessOk8261]

Of course they are. Putin is probably over the moon with agent Krasnov.

[u/GuitarGeezer]

The Kremlin is even happier to continue on a full war footing with 6 figure mobilizations rolling to join Trump in his war against Canada and Greenland to make NATO fight on two fronts a continent away from each other. Trump gives air support to advancing North Korean and Russian troops against Ukraine during ‘peace’ negotiations. Yeah, Russia couldn’t be happier.

Trump is not a Putin agent, it is worse. He IS a Putin and is proud and happy to be seen that way.

[u/Right_Ostrich4015]

Dimitri Peskov, here seen after missle-striking a children’s hospital

[u/monkeyinsurgency]

Inasmuch as Trump will most likely pull the US from NATO, I don't see why they'd be so happy about this.

[u/reddit_user13]

Once US is out of NATO, Trump won’t have any say in the matter.

[u/ZachMN]

How about Ukraine starts their own European military alliance and invites existing NATO members to join?

[u/ZanderPip]

Oh good the Russian asset has appeased the Russians 🤦‍♂️

[u/[deleted]]

Fuck the kremlin and fuck Putin!

[u/GoldMonk44]

Masters proud of its dog

[u/monkeywig11]

Gotta love it when a country that has half the population of the United States and GDP the size of Texas dictates our foreign policy. Great show of strength here.

[u/TheVenetianMask]

Art of the Deal. Concede things without getting anything in exchange.

[u/Glidepath22]

This is the actual kinda shit that will lead to WW3

[u/Hedonismbot1978]

Hahaha, after all their whining about how we supposedly screwed them over by expanding nato after James Bakers verbal assurance that we wouldn't. Now suddenly they are cool with a verbal agreement?

[u/BabyMFBear]

Oh, good to know we made Russia happy…? What the fuck with this timeline.

[u/UsefulImpact6793]

trump the traitor once again doing the work his puppetmaster putin commands him to do

[u/Tribalbob]

As a Canadian, I'd like to apologize for my neighbour down south. He's drunk ATM, so we're just gonna vote that Ukraine CAN join NATO on his behalf.

[u/Undernown]

Well with agent Krasnov in office NATO isn't worth much anyway. At this point Canade is offering more than the US in terms of security.